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    Paradox_Uncreated
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    Just a thought experiement OP, can I not say something that is not true? So there can come into existence something that is not true. Would you still call it the truth? AKA God?

    To put it as extreme as I can Is this the truth? There are 5000 gods?
    Is this the truth Is god a filthy gay whore?

    Is the truth beyond understanding itself?

    Is injustice justice and repulsiveness divine, and so forth?

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      IAMOP
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      Peace

      Falsehood does not exist! Falsehood is non-existence and non-existence cannot be. Existence IS truth, truth IS existence.

      It is true that you wrote . Binary state 1 - TRUE

      It is not true that - Binary state 0 - FALSE

      Simple as that. All that exists is Truth, Truth is existence.

      So for example it is true that gay filthy whores exist. It is true that the behaviour of gay filthy whores is unjust and repulsive under quranic law. It is true that the satan has made the evil of this fair seeming to them.

      Get used to the idea of IS-ness. It just IS. Non-existence cannot BE. ALLAH is existence, there is nothing outside of ALLAH's grasp. Gay filthy whores exist because ALLAH created Satan and Satan disobeyed ALLAH and ALLAH wishes to test humanity to see if they will follow some of humanity do follow and so ALLAH said "Be" to the concept of gay filthy whores. It is supremely just and infinitely wise that ALLAH created the "gay filthy whores" because ALLAH is supremely just, infinitely wise.

      No matter what you say or do or refer to in life or death, it is the Truth ALLAH's divine word. All things are sacred, evil is the absence of good/knowledge/reason just as darkness is the absence of light. Darkness does not "exist" nor does "falsehood" nor does "evil". ALLAH does not "create evil" but evil is the name we give to the shadows. ALLAH does not create falsehood but falsehood is the name we give to absence of truth. Remember that ALLAH knows in complete detail WHY gay filthy whores ARE gay filthy whores. The only thing that ALLAH does not forgive is idolatry/rejection of truth. All else is forgivable with justice.

      I hope this clears things up. Peace

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        Paradox_Uncreated
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        So you mean that the statement on 5000 gods is true.

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          Paradox_Uncreated
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          Seriosly OPF, youve been creeping around serious arguments for a long while. Stop while your mental health is intact. You dont want to end up like these old sufis who only waswas about their dementia. "when the zero comes before the one, it becomes 10 and makes sense". http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjPx_clZf7U

          Waswas like that is becoming synonymous with sufi for me.

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            Paradox_Uncreated
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            I am going to present some verses

            http//www.islamawakened.com/quran/32/9/

            Ruh = God = hearing, vision, and mind.

            http//www.islamawakened.com/quran/6/103/

            A verse I understand as, he is not visible, but is vision.

            http//www.islamawakened.com/quran/70/4/

            A verse I understand to be that God is 50.000 years above somehow, in rank, or something.. (aka not creation)

            http//www.islamawakened.com/quran/15/85/

            Created WITH truth, not IS truth. It is nonetheless a creation of the divine.

            So you see, the quran supports not pantheism, but the typical view of God.

            Why is not pantheism mentioned in the Quran, if it was so?

            And yes, 573 He is the first and the last, the aware and the hidden.
            Which means he is The Word, the conscious and the subconscious.

            And then you have the verse on everywhere you turn is the face of God, a sufi favorite. But seeing as they want 10 or 0 gods I don`t know why they are so fond of it.
            It does mean something like God percieves his own creation, Has full knowledge of all that goes on (since he creates it), and is related to omniprescence, most likely.

            I am not going to discuss this with you anymore. I find your avoidance of the term pantheism, and still claiming pantheism in the same vein of satanic waswas.

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              Paradox_Uncreated
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              Another, and very important aspect of God, is that he is absolute. God is absolute, and creation is creation.
              God is absolute, omnibenevolent and not creation, and not satan/shaytan.

              God is absolute, creator of the worlds.

              Peace.

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                Paradox_Uncreated
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                It strange that many of these sufis are considered masters. Shamz was "too intense" for people, and that does not represent the peaceful state of a muslim/monotheist. So a rejected shaytan, that became rumis company. And they were probably gay.

                Rumi
                Someone in charge would give up all his power,
                if he caught one whiff of that wine musk
                from the room where the lovers
                are doing who-knows-what!

                Rumi is also wellknown for claiming to be the huris.

                More sufi video http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9CQvRRzU0w&feature=feedu This is just waswas, and they believe it has something to do with God.

                When you start noticing this, you also know what shaytanic wiswas results in. And they experience jinn, because of their pantheism/association.
                There is a wellknown sufi story about the simurgh, which means 30 birds. Birds are often coupled with jinn in the Quran.
                Probably means they have their head full of satanic wiswas. (30 birds/jinn).

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                  IAMOP
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                  So you mean that the statement on 5000 gods is true.

                  Peace,

                  It grieves me that you would dare to think evil of me when I am repeatedly stating that ALLAH is one.

                  If you cannot understand concepts of physics please refrain from calling me an idolater. Direct experience/observation is always truth, there can be no idolatry in reality. We are experiencing one God, one Truth so nowhere can it be experienced two gods.

                  If the limits of your knowledge prevent you from understanding what I am saying then still refrain from disobeying the quranic commandment

                  O you who believe! when you go to war in Allah's way, make investigation, and do not say to any one who offers you peace You are not a believer. Do you seek goods of this world's life! But with Allah there are abundant gains; you too were such before, then Allah conferred a benefit on you; therefore make investigation; surely Allah is aware of what you do.

                  Those who listen to the word, then follow the best of it; those are they whom Allah has guided, and those it is who are the men of understanding.

                  Please control your arrogance. This has total quranic backing but you are seeking to distort my words in fear of saytan when you should be fearing ALLH and seeking to understand. With regards to the vantage point I am coming from, materialists/atheists do not have any ground to stand on when they say "energy is all there is" That is a direct statement as to say "ALLAH exists". It is not pantheism, panentheism, but a unification of all truths. Do not jump to calling me names like "sufi", I am not "sufi". I am Me and You are You.

                  Peace

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                    Paradox_Uncreated
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                    You do not offer me peace Iamop. You offer shaytanic babble that drives people to unpeace and madness. Lay off the DMT

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                      IAMOP
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                      Peace

                      It is for God to judge the status of a person.

                      How do you know a "gay filthy whore" will not turn into a godly submitter?

                      God is the sustainer, cherisher and maintainer of all things.

                      God loves the doers of good but there is more to it than that.

                      Love to increase the reproductive presence of an entity

                      Even as "gay filthy whores" do their thing, God gives them food, money and water, in the chance that they decide to turn to Him.

                      This sustenance is for an appointed time.

                      Just because you refuse to accept a part of ALLAH's creation does not make me satanic The difference between you and I is that I do not see a paradox in the quran. That is where you are going wrong and you call me satanic! Amazing.

                      Peace

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                        Paradox_Uncreated
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                        When you worship God, you become close to God (uncreated spiritfree nature, ruh) and therefore do judge, in accordance to God and thus, there is no need to think of possible scenarios.

                        God loves, and love is sex, more satanic waswas. And ofcourse you reject the transcendence of God, which is the paradox of unlimitedness I talk about. You reject this probably because accepting it would be detrimental to your satanic spirits, and your babble.

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                          Alladin
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                          I seek refuge in God against the rejected satan

                          Peace

                          Look beyond the forms and to the nature of TRUTH itself.
                          2435, as always. Nobody has a response to it

                          God is one
                          Space & time is many
                          Universe is one
                          Heavens and earth is many

                          An individual aspect is not God. God is totality. The light of the heavens and earth Source, self-sufficient reality

                          God is light, the heavens and earth are MADE of light. God is the truth, the heavens and earth are MADE with truth.

                          The specific insight I wish to convey here is not transmittable except by direct experience of total ego dissolution/samadhi.

                          Based on what are you attributing God to the number one?
                          There is one God, but God is not the number one!

                          And your God is one God, no God except him, the mercy-giving merciful (2163)

                          There is one God, not God is the number 1!

                          What you said led to something even more interesting, I noticed that 1121 is translated incorrectly. To my understanding it does not saying that God is one (Wahyd), but that God is someone(Ahad)!

                          Is the universe someone? No!

                          Peace

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                            IAMOP
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                            Peace

                            Alladin

                            Please read my words correctly
                            God is ONE entity
                            God is Light/Energy (2435)
                            God is Truth (662)(226)(23116)(3130)
                            That which forms space and time are MANY entities
                            God is Al-Haqq The supreme reality
                            The supreme reality has no beginning and no end it is uncreated
                            The supreme reality creates all things
                            The supreme reality is known to atheists as the multiverse, to Buddhists as Brahman and to us as ALLAH, to Christians as God.

                            Likewise
                            The multiverse is ONE entity
                            The multiverse is Light/Energy
                            The multiverse is Truth
                            The multiverse created this universe the heavens and earth The ekpyrotic hypothesis of string theory is the best explanation thus far (CLICK ME FOR EXPLANATION); Even the disbelievers have no choice now but to attest God's magnificence!

                            Consider that you have a beginning. "Before" that beginning, what is there? That is why ALLAH is the first. The First is what created you, created time, created everything.

                            That is a name of ALLAH The First.
                            ALLAH is the first before all beginnings, is ALLAH
                            Before all beginnings is The First

                            You have an end when everything is over and done with, what is next? That is why ALLAH is the last. After the end of all things.
                            ALLAH is the last After all ends, is ALLAH
                            After all ends is The Last

                            {26}
                            Everyone on it must pass away.
                            {27}
                            And there will endure for ever the person of your Lord, the Lord of glory and honor.

                            I hope this clarifies. The learning I am trying to transmit here is really difficult to get across unless your mind is totally open and aware. There is no paradox in the quran except that nothing can encompass ALLAH.

                            Al-Haqq is not just a proper name. It has a meaning - the truth - and the meaning is VERY important. For example in 3130 we do not say Al-Batil (the falsehood) is a proper name because it has a very obvious meaning. You have to leave behind all your sectarian preconceptions to truly understand ALLAH. ALLAH does not love sectarians and as long as you cling to sectarian understandings you will not grasp the true essence of al-quran.

                            God loves, and love is sex, more satanic waswas. And ofcourse you reject the transcendence of God, which is the paradox of unlimitedness I talk about. You reject this probably because accepting it would be detrimental to your satanic spirits, and your babble.

                            Peace, I am not going to argue as the truth stands free of both our opinions; Highlighted are things I have never said. Are you afraid that you have constructed an identity that is not totally in sync with quran? There is no paradox in quran, God leaves no stone unturned and explains everything with supreme justice. There is a rhyme and a reason for everything. When you resort to using words like "babble" and "satanic" you are giving the reptilian aspect of your brain (amygdala) precedence over the forebrain's ability to analyse and jusge and THIS is satanic more so than anything. Refrain from anger and judgement until you have full knowledge of what you are calling satanic and have mastered your own satans.

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                              Paradox_Uncreated
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                              You are babbling OPF. Ofcourse you have no idea what you are saying.

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                                Alladin
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                                I seek refuge in God from satan the rejected

                                IAMOP, ever heard of christians saying God is one but split him into three entities? Tritiny as they like to call it. The father, Son and holy spirit issue?

                                What you are saying seems the same thing as what christians say about oneness when they actually mean tritiny.

                                I am not here to be misled by people like you if that is your true intention.
                                Qul innama adAAoo rabbee wala oshriku bihi ahadan (some one) (7220)
                                Say I am only calling upon my Lord, and I do not associate some one(ahadan) with Him.

                                Peace

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                                  Paradox_Uncreated
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                                  Associators are not allowed in heaven (quran).

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                                    Paradox_Uncreated
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                                    I can easily understand how religions got distorted. All it takes is one who doesnt understand monotheism, and he will be babbling his idolaterous incoherent ideas (from satans waswas) all his life. Its a miracle that the situation isn`t worse.

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                                      Paradox_Uncreated
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                                      Sufism seem to go back to where hinduism went wrong.

                                      From wikipedia http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaktism

                                      Shaktism views the Devi as the source, essence and substance of virtually everything in creation, seen or unseen, including Shiva himself. In the Devi-Bhagavata Purana, a central Shakta scripture, the Devi declares

                                      "I am Manifest Divinity, Unmanifest Divinity, and Transcendent Divinity. I am Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva, as well as Saraswati, Lakshmi and Parvati. I am the Sun and I am the Stars, and I am also the Moon. I am all animals and birds, and I am the outcaste as well, and the thief. I am the low person of dreadful deeds, and the great person of excellent deeds. I am Female, I am Male, and I am Neuter."

                                      Sounds just like every sufi, rumi, and OPF.

                                      The quran clearly states that the moon and the sun is not God, but are created by the Lord of the worlds.

                                      Peace.

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                                        IAMOP
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                                        I seek refuge in ALLAH from the accursed satan

                                        Peace

                                        The question is What is Al-Haqq?

                                        Is multiverse Al-Haqq? From an atheist-physicist point of view, multiverse is Al-Haqq.

                                        Where I understand this is that string theory is capable of adequately describing Hilbert space an infinite dimensional space of possibilities. However string theory itself cannot be proven because it is limitless any evidence for it is also evidence against it!

                                        Please refer

                                        I beg to disagree with you brother.

                                        An atheist is not always a polytheist, but can be a muslim also. It is mostly the idea of a male-god sitting and punishing people especially women, typical in the abrahamic religions (and thats also shirk ) which they reject and hence claim that there is no God - at least in the traditional way God is described as. All religions have failed and are nonsense according to the atheists.

                                        In other words, atheists do not personalize God. He could be the universe as you said, or a system or a law. They are really not sure. But he can impossibly be an old male sitting on a throne an unseen places, as the abrahamic religions tend to believe.

                                        That does not make the atheists polytheists. Its their actions which they would be judged upon.

                                        I am not here to mislead. I am monotheist, always have been and always will be God willing. However I study physics in depth and I have come to the conclusion thus far that what present physics describes as "multiverse" is also Al-Haqq. However there is no likeness to THE God.

                                        Paradox Uncreated does not appear to me to be able to efficiently bridge the linguistic differences between Hindus, Jews, Muslims, Atheists. I can and that is how I see monotheism here whereas he observes polytheism. I apologise if I am incorrect. The multiverse is also "Brahman". Also, I stopped DMT a long time ago. Don't knock such a powerful agent of consciousness unless you know what it does.

                                        Until you have this experience that removes ALL associations of names with God you will not be able to truly understand where I am coming from. You must totally die first; transcend duality altogether. God will choose when and where this happens if you so please to reach it.

                                        God is the originator of names and does not need to have a name, names are pointers to God. In some people's mind, they cannot accept "ALLAH" as a name of God and they percieve Muslims as disbelievers.

                                        Now if you would please refer to my prior post

                                        Peace

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                                          Paradox_Uncreated
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                                          Judging from you, DMT is useless for monotheism. And do not use the phrase "I seek refuge in Allah". You should say something like "I seek refuge in my idol, the multiverse".

                                          The rest is your usual babble.

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