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The ultimate translation of the prayer.

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    Paradox_Uncreated
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    Another, and very important aspect of God, is that he is absolute. God is absolute, and creation is creation.
    God is absolute, omnibenevolent and not creation, and not satan/shaytan.

    God is absolute, creator of the worlds.

    Peace.

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      It strange that many of these sufis are considered masters. Shamz was "too intense" for people, and that does not represent the peaceful state of a muslim/monotheist. So a rejected shaytan, that became rumis company. And they were probably gay.

      Rumi
      Someone in charge would give up all his power,
      if he caught one whiff of that wine musk
      from the room where the lovers
      are doing who-knows-what!

      Rumi is also wellknown for claiming to be the huris.

      More sufi video http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9CQvRRzU0w&feature=feedu This is just waswas, and they believe it has something to do with God.

      When you start noticing this, you also know what shaytanic wiswas results in. And they experience jinn, because of their pantheism/association.
      There is a wellknown sufi story about the simurgh, which means 30 birds. Birds are often coupled with jinn in the Quran.
      Probably means they have their head full of satanic wiswas. (30 birds/jinn).

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        IAMOP
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        So you mean that the statement on 5000 gods is true.

        Peace,

        It grieves me that you would dare to think evil of me when I am repeatedly stating that ALLAH is one.

        If you cannot understand concepts of physics please refrain from calling me an idolater. Direct experience/observation is always truth, there can be no idolatry in reality. We are experiencing one God, one Truth so nowhere can it be experienced two gods.

        If the limits of your knowledge prevent you from understanding what I am saying then still refrain from disobeying the quranic commandment

        O you who believe! when you go to war in Allah's way, make investigation, and do not say to any one who offers you peace You are not a believer. Do you seek goods of this world's life! But with Allah there are abundant gains; you too were such before, then Allah conferred a benefit on you; therefore make investigation; surely Allah is aware of what you do.

        Those who listen to the word, then follow the best of it; those are they whom Allah has guided, and those it is who are the men of understanding.

        Please control your arrogance. This has total quranic backing but you are seeking to distort my words in fear of saytan when you should be fearing ALLH and seeking to understand. With regards to the vantage point I am coming from, materialists/atheists do not have any ground to stand on when they say "energy is all there is" That is a direct statement as to say "ALLAH exists". It is not pantheism, panentheism, but a unification of all truths. Do not jump to calling me names like "sufi", I am not "sufi". I am Me and You are You.

        Peace

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          Paradox_Uncreated
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          You do not offer me peace Iamop. You offer shaytanic babble that drives people to unpeace and madness. Lay off the DMT

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            IAMOP
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            Peace

            It is for God to judge the status of a person.

            How do you know a "gay filthy whore" will not turn into a godly submitter?

            God is the sustainer, cherisher and maintainer of all things.

            God loves the doers of good but there is more to it than that.

            Love to increase the reproductive presence of an entity

            Even as "gay filthy whores" do their thing, God gives them food, money and water, in the chance that they decide to turn to Him.

            This sustenance is for an appointed time.

            Just because you refuse to accept a part of ALLAH's creation does not make me satanic The difference between you and I is that I do not see a paradox in the quran. That is where you are going wrong and you call me satanic! Amazing.

            Peace

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              Paradox_Uncreated
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              When you worship God, you become close to God (uncreated spiritfree nature, ruh) and therefore do judge, in accordance to God and thus, there is no need to think of possible scenarios.

              God loves, and love is sex, more satanic waswas. And ofcourse you reject the transcendence of God, which is the paradox of unlimitedness I talk about. You reject this probably because accepting it would be detrimental to your satanic spirits, and your babble.

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                Alladin
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                I seek refuge in God against the rejected satan

                Peace

                Look beyond the forms and to the nature of TRUTH itself.
                2435, as always. Nobody has a response to it

                God is one
                Space & time is many
                Universe is one
                Heavens and earth is many

                An individual aspect is not God. God is totality. The light of the heavens and earth Source, self-sufficient reality

                God is light, the heavens and earth are MADE of light. God is the truth, the heavens and earth are MADE with truth.

                The specific insight I wish to convey here is not transmittable except by direct experience of total ego dissolution/samadhi.

                Based on what are you attributing God to the number one?
                There is one God, but God is not the number one!

                And your God is one God, no God except him, the mercy-giving merciful (2163)

                There is one God, not God is the number 1!

                What you said led to something even more interesting, I noticed that 1121 is translated incorrectly. To my understanding it does not saying that God is one (Wahyd), but that God is someone(Ahad)!

                Is the universe someone? No!

                Peace

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                  IAMOP
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                  Peace

                  Alladin

                  Please read my words correctly
                  God is ONE entity
                  God is Light/Energy (2435)
                  God is Truth (662)(226)(23116)(3130)
                  That which forms space and time are MANY entities
                  God is Al-Haqq The supreme reality
                  The supreme reality has no beginning and no end it is uncreated
                  The supreme reality creates all things
                  The supreme reality is known to atheists as the multiverse, to Buddhists as Brahman and to us as ALLAH, to Christians as God.

                  Likewise
                  The multiverse is ONE entity
                  The multiverse is Light/Energy
                  The multiverse is Truth
                  The multiverse created this universe the heavens and earth The ekpyrotic hypothesis of string theory is the best explanation thus far (CLICK ME FOR EXPLANATION); Even the disbelievers have no choice now but to attest God's magnificence!

                  Consider that you have a beginning. "Before" that beginning, what is there? That is why ALLAH is the first. The First is what created you, created time, created everything.

                  That is a name of ALLAH The First.
                  ALLAH is the first before all beginnings, is ALLAH
                  Before all beginnings is The First

                  You have an end when everything is over and done with, what is next? That is why ALLAH is the last. After the end of all things.
                  ALLAH is the last After all ends, is ALLAH
                  After all ends is The Last

                  {26}
                  Everyone on it must pass away.
                  {27}
                  And there will endure for ever the person of your Lord, the Lord of glory and honor.

                  I hope this clarifies. The learning I am trying to transmit here is really difficult to get across unless your mind is totally open and aware. There is no paradox in the quran except that nothing can encompass ALLAH.

                  Al-Haqq is not just a proper name. It has a meaning - the truth - and the meaning is VERY important. For example in 3130 we do not say Al-Batil (the falsehood) is a proper name because it has a very obvious meaning. You have to leave behind all your sectarian preconceptions to truly understand ALLAH. ALLAH does not love sectarians and as long as you cling to sectarian understandings you will not grasp the true essence of al-quran.

                  God loves, and love is sex, more satanic waswas. And ofcourse you reject the transcendence of God, which is the paradox of unlimitedness I talk about. You reject this probably because accepting it would be detrimental to your satanic spirits, and your babble.

                  Peace, I am not going to argue as the truth stands free of both our opinions; Highlighted are things I have never said. Are you afraid that you have constructed an identity that is not totally in sync with quran? There is no paradox in quran, God leaves no stone unturned and explains everything with supreme justice. There is a rhyme and a reason for everything. When you resort to using words like "babble" and "satanic" you are giving the reptilian aspect of your brain (amygdala) precedence over the forebrain's ability to analyse and jusge and THIS is satanic more so than anything. Refrain from anger and judgement until you have full knowledge of what you are calling satanic and have mastered your own satans.

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                    Paradox_Uncreated
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                    You are babbling OPF. Ofcourse you have no idea what you are saying.

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                      Alladin
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                      I seek refuge in God from satan the rejected

                      IAMOP, ever heard of christians saying God is one but split him into three entities? Tritiny as they like to call it. The father, Son and holy spirit issue?

                      What you are saying seems the same thing as what christians say about oneness when they actually mean tritiny.

                      I am not here to be misled by people like you if that is your true intention.
                      Qul innama adAAoo rabbee wala oshriku bihi ahadan (some one) (7220)
                      Say I am only calling upon my Lord, and I do not associate some one(ahadan) with Him.

                      Peace

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                        Paradox_Uncreated
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                        Associators are not allowed in heaven (quran).

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                          Paradox_Uncreated
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                          I can easily understand how religions got distorted. All it takes is one who doesnt understand monotheism, and he will be babbling his idolaterous incoherent ideas (from satans waswas) all his life. Its a miracle that the situation isn`t worse.

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                            Paradox_Uncreated
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                            Sufism seem to go back to where hinduism went wrong.

                            From wikipedia http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaktism

                            Shaktism views the Devi as the source, essence and substance of virtually everything in creation, seen or unseen, including Shiva himself. In the Devi-Bhagavata Purana, a central Shakta scripture, the Devi declares

                            "I am Manifest Divinity, Unmanifest Divinity, and Transcendent Divinity. I am Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva, as well as Saraswati, Lakshmi and Parvati. I am the Sun and I am the Stars, and I am also the Moon. I am all animals and birds, and I am the outcaste as well, and the thief. I am the low person of dreadful deeds, and the great person of excellent deeds. I am Female, I am Male, and I am Neuter."

                            Sounds just like every sufi, rumi, and OPF.

                            The quran clearly states that the moon and the sun is not God, but are created by the Lord of the worlds.

                            Peace.

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                              IAMOP
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                              I seek refuge in ALLAH from the accursed satan

                              Peace

                              The question is What is Al-Haqq?

                              Is multiverse Al-Haqq? From an atheist-physicist point of view, multiverse is Al-Haqq.

                              Where I understand this is that string theory is capable of adequately describing Hilbert space an infinite dimensional space of possibilities. However string theory itself cannot be proven because it is limitless any evidence for it is also evidence against it!

                              Please refer

                              I beg to disagree with you brother.

                              An atheist is not always a polytheist, but can be a muslim also. It is mostly the idea of a male-god sitting and punishing people especially women, typical in the abrahamic religions (and thats also shirk ) which they reject and hence claim that there is no God - at least in the traditional way God is described as. All religions have failed and are nonsense according to the atheists.

                              In other words, atheists do not personalize God. He could be the universe as you said, or a system or a law. They are really not sure. But he can impossibly be an old male sitting on a throne an unseen places, as the abrahamic religions tend to believe.

                              That does not make the atheists polytheists. Its their actions which they would be judged upon.

                              I am not here to mislead. I am monotheist, always have been and always will be God willing. However I study physics in depth and I have come to the conclusion thus far that what present physics describes as "multiverse" is also Al-Haqq. However there is no likeness to THE God.

                              Paradox Uncreated does not appear to me to be able to efficiently bridge the linguistic differences between Hindus, Jews, Muslims, Atheists. I can and that is how I see monotheism here whereas he observes polytheism. I apologise if I am incorrect. The multiverse is also "Brahman". Also, I stopped DMT a long time ago. Don't knock such a powerful agent of consciousness unless you know what it does.

                              Until you have this experience that removes ALL associations of names with God you will not be able to truly understand where I am coming from. You must totally die first; transcend duality altogether. God will choose when and where this happens if you so please to reach it.

                              God is the originator of names and does not need to have a name, names are pointers to God. In some people's mind, they cannot accept "ALLAH" as a name of God and they percieve Muslims as disbelievers.

                              Now if you would please refer to my prior post

                              Peace

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                                Paradox_Uncreated
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                                Judging from you, DMT is useless for monotheism. And do not use the phrase "I seek refuge in Allah". You should say something like "I seek refuge in my idol, the multiverse".

                                The rest is your usual babble.

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                                  IAMOP
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                                  Praised be the one God, who sends disbelievers to hell. (singular, unique, not creation). Allah will perfect his light! (618 )

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                                    Paradox_Uncreated
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                                    Nonono, you are where you know and see God.

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                                      IAMOP
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                                      What are you afraid of?

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                                        Paradox_Uncreated
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                                        I fear God.

                                        A concept you do not know, because indeed, you do not know God. What you are seeing is the idolaterous state of the pantheist.

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                                          Peace

                                          I am not pantheist. I am me.

                                          Truly afraid of God? Please check yourself.

                                          494 O you who have attained to faith, when you go forth in God's cause, use your discernment, and do not - out of a desire for the fleeting gains of this worldly life - say unto anyone who offers you the greeting of peace, "Thou art not a believer" for with God there are gains abundant. You, too, were once in the same condition - but God has been gracious unto you. Use, therefore, your discernment verily, God is always aware of what you do.

                                          peace

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