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Salaam
I have to say that if you think Isa (pbuh) in AQ is not the same as Jesus the carpenter as mentioned in the Gospels then you are greatly misguided. Isa (pbuh) and Jesus are the same. Of course there are fabrications in the Gospels but regardless Jesus the man is the same as Isa (pbuh) the Messiah, son of Mary (pbuh).
WEll if You say Jesus was the Son of carpenetr in Pelestine you just giving me reason... If theres a fatjher and mother, theres no miricle?!?! brickwall
So you rejecting the VIrginity of MAryam (Aroon/Musa sister who gave birth to Isa the Messiah.. if you think hes father is Josef the carpenter, theres no miricle in palestine see? you just enter in a crazy contradition & hmmWa Alaikum Salaam,
The Gospels specifically say that Jesus was born of a virgin along with some Gospels that are not included in the Bible. Never does it say that Joseph is the biological father of Jesus nor does it ever alude to such, so there is no contradiction.
And Mary the mother of Jesus is not the same as Marium the sister of Moses, they lived generations apart.
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SALAAM broher sun hope youre in Peace and i wish you a continuation of nice day also, (diferent parts of world /diferent timefuse O0)
and thanks for answering, i must confess im feeling bad because i jsut "dominate " brother nils Issue, i must SAY SORRY FOR THAT, and probably ill just make 1 more post.. its fair since is brother nils post. and what i DONT WANT HERE is to cause ENEMYS, i confess thats never and never will be my intention,or the attitude i will take, im debating my points of view, but even if i dont agree 1%of what some say i will alwayes REspect " 200 % " groupIS Exacly what i said brother,
And Mary the mother of Jesus is not the same as Marium the sister of Moses, they lived generations apart.
So you agree with me that AQ dont have any Mary or Jesus names, only AAeesa and Maryam? yay
So must agree also that Maryam(Profetess of OT) sister of Harun and Musa is the Mother Of AAeesa the Messiah? yay
Also one can conclude Jesus from Palestine is nothing to do with a Prophet, why not in AQ AllAh call him Yesshoo in araby and AQ is simple and Aeesa (the Prophet) came before DAWUD or SOLOMON .. yayFeel free to correct me if im wrong or to hate me if i said blasfemy peace
Well to conclude we must say AQ is correborator of all books, its Universal and for Mankind
groupSAlaam/Shalom/ PEACE/PAZNomad AlAndalusi
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SALAAM broher sun hope youre in Peace and i wish you a continuation of nice day also, (diferent parts of world /diferent timefuse O0)
and thanks for answering, i must confess im feeling bad because i jsut "dominate " brother nils Issue, i must SAY SORRY FOR THAT, and probably ill just make 1 more post.. its fair since is brother nils post. and what i DONT WANT HERE is to cause ENEMYS, i confess thats never and never will be my intention,or the attitude i will take, im debating my points of view, but even if i dont agree 1%of what some say i will alwayes REspect " 200 % " groupIS Exacly what i said brother,
So you agree with me that AQ dont have any Mary or Jesus names, only AAeesa and Maryam? yay
So must agree also that Maryam(Profetess of OT) sister of Harun and Musa is the Mother Of AAeesa the Messiah? yay
Also one can conclude Jesus from Palestine is nothing to do with a Prophet, why not in AQ AllAh call him Yesshoo in araby and AQ is simple and Aeesa (the Prophet) came before DAWUD or SOLOMON .. yayFeel free to correct me if im wrong or to hate me if i said blasfemy peace
Well to conclude we must say AQ is correborator of all books, its Universal and for Mankind
groupSAlaam/Shalom/ PEACE/PAZNomad AlAndalusi
Wa Alaikum Salaam and thank you for you well wishes! sun
I am however in disagreement with you and I see that I did not make myself clear in my last post. What I meant was that the Maryum mentioned as Prophet Isa's (pbuh) mother is not the same as Maryum the sister of Musa (pbuh) and Harun (pbuh).
In the Qur'an Maryum, mother of Isa (pbuh) is called the sister of Huran (pbuh) but from my understanding this is not meant to be taken literal. It is the same as when Christians refer to Christ as the seed or son of David (pbuh). Obviously David (pbuh) is not the father of Isa (pbuh) as David lived long before the Christ and Christ had no biological father to begin with. It is because of Christ's relationship with David (pbuh) that Christ is refered to as such (as the Christian prophesy says that the Messiah will come from the tribe of Judah, which both David (pbuh) and the Christ (though in Isa's (pbuh) case, metophorically through Joseph) came from.
Maryum's relationship to Harun (pbuh) is the same. Harun (pbuh) was the founder of the Levite priest tradition and as Maryum was raised in the priesthood by the prophet Zakaryya (pbuh), one could draw the conclusion that when she is called "sister of Harun (pbuh)", it is the same as being called "sister of the priesthood".
Isa (pbuh) would not have his name translated in the Qur'an to Yeshoo because that is a transliteration of the Hebrew name Yeshua, which in itself is a corruption. In reality, Jesus' name was never Yeshua, for that is Hebrew and Isa (pbuh) spoke Aramaic. Jesus' rightful name was always Isa (pbuh) and I actually posted about his name in another topic but I'll repost it here
Taken from http//www.answering-christianity.com/name_of_jesus.htm
Interestingly, the word "Yeshua" (meaning "safety" in the Hebrew language), whom Christians attempt to proselytize their theories of a "man-god" Jesus by saying this name of his meant "Salvation", does not have a static definition of "Salvation" but also means "Saved".
Another problem is that the type of "safety" which "yasha
" refers to is in a very worldly sense, and mostly having to do with being saved from the hands of Israel's worldly enemies. Every single usage of "yasha" in the Bible has to do with warfare and violence. There is not a single reference to deliverance from sin, or salvation of the ethereal soul. It only refers to salvation of the physical body and life.?
Jesus spoke Aramaic. Thus, the New Testament would have to be dependent upon it. Much of the Old Testament was in Aramaic as well, and the earliest Christian societies throughout Arabia from Palestine, to Syria, to Nabataea spoke Aramaic. So what is Jesus' name in Aramaic?"EESHO M'SHEEKHA" meaning Jesus the Messiah.
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"Eesho M'sheekha" in Syriac. Syriac is a late variant of Aramaic widespread in Christendom, thus coined "Christian Aramaic".
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"Eesho M'sheekha" in Aramaic, taken directly from the "Peshitta". The "Peshitta" is the Aramaic New Testament and closely resembles the language of Jesus.
Thus, Jesus would have even called himself "Eesho" or more specifically "`Eesaa" since the Northern Palestinian Jews pronounced the letter "shin" as "seen".
?The word "
EESA" ( ) in the Qur'an comes from "EESHO" ( ) in Aramaic, a language which predates Hebrew by several hundred years and never had any etymological ties with the Hebrew derivative "YESHUA" ( ) or even the word "E'SAU" ( )?Since the language Jesus (pbuh) spoke and taught was Aramaic, the Qur'an have accurately taken his name in Aramaic and not the Hebrew derivative, "YESHUA" ( )
?The name "YASO'A" ( ) for Jesus (pbuh) in the Arabic Bible is merely a transliteration of the Hebrew name "YESHUA" ( ) and is therefore fallacious to claim that this is the correct Arabic name of Jesus (pbuh) since as originally said, Hebrew is not Jesus' native tongue. Therefore, the Noble Verses which clearly states that the Qur'an is in pure Arabic remains unchallenged.
Surely, the Messiah of the New Testament known in the English speaking world as "Jesus" is the same as the Messiah of AQ Isa (pbuh). Again, the NT contains fabrications attributed to the life of Isa (pbuh), but there is no reason to suggest that they are two totally different people.
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Salaam Jafar.
Where can uou see they spoke arabic?
I think Jesus spoke Aramitic about Moses I dont know. But offcouse he was speaking the launguage exiting that time. Uthervise nobody would listen/understand him )
I agree with Gnosis that they are the same persons. The persons in AQ are not just some figures with no value or inpact. And thats why they are mentioned in AQ because this people are sent by God
In the Quran Musa spoke arabic.. and so does Isa, Zakkariya, Miryam, Yusuf, Adam etc..
I was being 'sarcastic'..
Because in the Quran Isa / Musa or even God are being told to spoke arabic doesn't necessarily mean that they actually spoke Arabic and/or an Arab.
Some 'avid Quranist' does think so though..
That's why "Quran Alone" approach can be misleading...Salam / Peace
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Salaam Jafar
Allright. Maybe I not that bright sometimes.
Thanks for answering anyway. Think I got your point now..
Peace
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Salaam Jafar )
Allright. Maybe I not that bright sometimes. )
Thanks for answering anyway. Think I got your point now..
Peace
Salam Niels..
The most important point is it doesn't matter where Jesus, Abraham, Moses Joseph, John, Zachary, Maria etc.. were actually located. They can be in Antarctica or even Mars for all I care. The Quran tell the story of those folks as a 'role model' of "Good people".. that's what important.. Heed the lessons from their life story and apply it on your every day life.
Salam / Peace
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Sallaam to all Bros and Sis O0 sun
Salam Niels..
The most important point is it doesn't matter where Jesus, Abraham, Moses Joseph, John, Zachary, Maria etc.. were actually located. They can be in Antarctica or even Mars for all I care. The Quran tell the story of those folks as a 'role model' of "Good people".. that's what important.. Heed the lessons from their life story and apply it on your every day life.
Salam / Peace
Just to say i Agree 100% with this answer, Above all is Allah, and these are exemples for Mankind.. group
Salaam/Peace/paz
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Jafar said
"The most important point is it doesn't matter where Jesus, Abraham, Moses Joseph, John, Zachary, Maria etc.. were actually located. They can be in Antarctica or even Mars for all I care. The Quran tell the story of those folks as a 'role model' of "Good people".. that's what important.. Heed the lessons from their life story and apply it on your every day life."
Well, to you it might not be a big deal, but to me it is. You see, those FORGERS who moved the geography of events from Yemen to the Levant are the SAME criminals who
1- Claimed that the Russian, Polish, Lithuanian and Dutch Jews, the descendants of the KHAZARS, whose ancestors never set foot in Palestine, are the Children of Israel, and are a pure race, and that all of humanity are filthy animals created for their service.
2- Claimed ancient Israel was in Palestine, in order to annex the land and persecute its original inhabitants.
3- Defamed all of Allahs messengers and mopped the floor with them.
4- Invented hadiths which described Muhammad (P) as a barbarian, imbecile, pedofile, and sex maniac.
5- Were the secret power behind the throne of the Ummayad and Abbasid DOGS who ruled the Islamic world.
6- Hijacked the history of humanity and prostituted it to fit with their own agendas and interests.
7- Created the usurious banking system and the toilet paper they call "fiat money" to enslave all of humanity.
So yes....it matters...the history of a nation is not something to be taken lightly.
Peace...
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Jafar said
"The most important point is it doesn't matter where Jesus, Abraham, Moses Joseph, John, Zachary, Maria etc.. were actually located. They can be in Antarctica or even Mars for all I care. The Quran tell the story of those folks as a 'role model' of "Good people".. that's what important.. Heed the lessons from their life story and apply it on your every day life."
Well, to you it might not be a big deal, but to me it is. You see, those FORGERS who moved the geography of events from Yemen to the Levant are the SAME criminals who
1- Claimed that the Russian, Polish, Lithuanian and Dutch Jews, the descendants of the KHAZARS, whose ancestors never set foot in Palestine, are the Children of Israel, and are a pure race, and that all of humanity are filthy animals created for their service.
2- Claimed ancient Israel was in Palestine, in order to annex the land and persecute its original inhabitants.
3- Defamed all of Allahs messengers and mopped the floor with them.
4- Invented hadiths which described Muhammad (P) as a barbarian, imbecile, pedofile, and sex maniac.
5- Were the secret power behind the throne of the Ummayad and Abbasid DOGS who ruled the Islamic world.
6- Hijacked the history of humanity and prostituted it to fit with their own agendas and interests.
7- Created the usurious banking system and the toilet paper they call "fiat money" to enslave all of humanity.
So yes....it matters...the history of a nation is not something to be taken lightly.
Peace...
Peace,
Even if this was true (which it isn't), ultimately it does not matter. Does not the Quran say that if you do what is right, you will be among the successful? I don't have time for conspiracy theories and conjecture about an entirely fabricated history. All I have to say is this
This is what the LORD says to me with his strong hand upon me, warning me not to follow the way of this people
?Do not call conspiracy
everything this people calls a conspiracy;
do not fear what they fear,
and do not dread it.
The LORD Almighty is the one you are to regard as holy,
he is the one you are to fear,
he is the one you are to dread. (Isaiah 811-13)-Joel
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Well, to you it might not be a big deal, but to me it is. You see, those FORGERS who moved the geography of events from Yemen to the Levant are the SAME criminals who
1- Claimed that the Russian, Polish, Lithuanian and Dutch Jews, the descendants of the KHAZARS, whose ancestors never set foot in Palestine, are the Children of Israel, and are a pure race, and that all of humanity are filthy animals created for their service.
2- Claimed ancient Israel was in Palestine, in order to annex the land and persecute its original inhabitants.
3- Defamed all of Allahs messengers and mopped the floor with them.
4- Invented hadiths which described Muhammad (P) as a barbarian, imbecile, pedofile, and sex maniac.
5- Were the secret power behind the throne of the Ummayad and Abbasid DOGS who ruled the Islamic world.
6- Hijacked the history of humanity and prostituted it to fit with their own agendas and interests.
7- Created the usurious banking system and the toilet paper they call "fiat money" to enslave all of humanity.
So yes....it matters...the history of a nation is not something to be taken lightly.
Peace...
Your hatred for Jews, excessive passion for Yemen and fetishes on 'conspiracy theory' always 'amaze me'.
To you your own judgement, to me mine..
As it doesn't matter at all... and will not change anything...PS Minor correction on 'history lesson', it was the Chinese who initially invented paper AND paper based token of exchange a.k.a money and not the jews..
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banknote
The chinese are also the first civilization who invented 'fiat money' and not the jews..
The mongols spread this 'invention' to the west as they invade the western world.. and not the jews..Salam / Peace
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Jafar said
"The most important point is it doesn't matter where Jesus, Abraham, Moses Joseph, John, Zachary, Maria etc.. were actually located. They can be in Antarctica or even Mars for all I care. The Quran tell the story of those folks as a 'role model' of "Good people".. that's what important.. Heed the lessons from their life story and apply it on your every day life."
Well, to you it might not be a big deal, but to me it is. You see, those FORGERS who moved the geography of events from Yemen to the Levant are the SAME criminals who
1- Claimed that the Russian, Polish, Lithuanian and Dutch Jews, the descendants of the KHAZARS, whose ancestors never set foot in Palestine, are the Children of Israel, and are a pure race, and that all of humanity are filthy animals created for their service.
2- Claimed ancient Israel was in Palestine, in order to annex the land and persecute its original inhabitants.
3- Defamed all of Allahs messengers and mopped the floor with them.
4- Invented hadiths which described Muhammad (P) as a barbarian, imbecile, pedofile, and sex maniac.
5- Were the secret power behind the throne of the Ummayad and Abbasid DOGS who ruled the Islamic world.
6- Hijacked the history of humanity and prostituted it to fit with their own agendas and interests.
7- Created the usurious banking system and the toilet paper they call "fiat money" to enslave all of humanity.
So yes....it matters...the history of a nation is not something to be taken lightly.
Peace...
Pazuzu, I like the effort you've put in to your threads but this post is in very poor taste. History is not dictated by the people, it's dictated by those in power (which is changing today).
Jews, Sunnis and Shias are great people, at least the ones who don't have extreme views. peace
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Jafar said
"The most important point is it doesn't matter where Jesus, Abraham, Moses Joseph, John, Zachary, Maria etc.. were actually located. They can be in Antarctica or even Mars for all I care. The Quran tell the story of those folks as a 'role model' of "Good people".. that's what important.. Heed the lessons from their life story and apply it on your every day life."
Well, to you it might not be a big deal, but to me it is. You see, those FORGERS who moved the geography of events from Yemen to the Levant are the SAME criminals who
1- Claimed that the Russian, Polish, Lithuanian and Dutch Jews, the descendants of the KHAZARS, whose ancestors never set foot in Palestine, are the Children of Israel, and are a pure race, and that all of humanity are filthy animals created for their service.
2- Claimed ancient Israel was in Palestine, in order to annex the land and persecute its original inhabitants.
3- Defamed all of Allahs messengers and mopped the floor with them.
4- Invented hadiths which described Muhammad (P) as a barbarian, imbecile, pedofile, and sex maniac.
5- Were the secret power behind the throne of the Ummayad and Abbasid DOGS who ruled the Islamic world.
6- Hijacked the history of humanity and prostituted it to fit with their own agendas and interests.
7- Created the usurious banking system and the toilet paper they call "fiat money" to enslave all of humanity.
So yes....it matters...the history of a nation is not something to be taken lightly.
Peace...
As-Salaam Alaikum,
Call me crazy, but I actually agree with all these points except number 5. I don't know enough about point 5 to comment on it but the rest are basically accurate. There's no conspiracy theory about any of them (though point 7 may need some clarity, Jews may not have been the inventors of fiat money, but they most certainly are the ones responsible behind the corrupt banking system today).
"So yes....it matters...the history of a nation is not something to be taken lightly."
^I completely 100% agree with this, though I do disagree with your excessive passion for Yemen.
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It was the crusaders who initially invented 'banking system' in Europe.
And adopted the chinese invention of paper deed which evolved into paper money.And again it was the Chinese who first implemented a great invention called "Fiat money", learned from it (regarding it's strength and weaknesses) and adapt to it.
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiat_moneyNot all 'banking systems' are 'corrupt' so to speak..
Perhaps it is in US because their central bank operate like a private company (but that's another long story) but not on other part of the world...Again... learn from the Chinese on how they leverage their banking systems and fiat money to kick started their immense growth on economy as we see today.
Albeit that too has its own weaknesses which we shall soon see in very near future.Conspiracy theories are sooo lame and outdated... rotfl rotfl
If there's a group of people who possess the ability to 'rule the world', so to speak... it's the chinese and not the jews or the arabs..Salam / Peace
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Salamun Alaikum
Lets get back to the topic ISRAEL
Can anyone guess what the Flag of Israel stands for?
Salaam,
I just recently heard someone say that the blue stripes are the Nile and Eufraat and the white is the land between those 2 rivers which belongs to Israel. I don't know if that is what the desginer had in mind or what some people claimed it to be.
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Salaam,
I just recently heard someone say that the blue stripes are the Nile and Eufraat and the white is the land between those 2 rivers which belongs to Israel. I don't know if that is what the desginer had in mind or what some people claimed it to be.
Salam Bro
You might be right or maybe the blue stripes represent Persian Gulf and Red Sea and white in between is Arabian Peninsula o
Salam
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Salaam,
I just recently heard someone say that the blue stripes are the Nile and Eufraat and the white is the land between those 2 rivers which belongs to Israel. I don't know if that is what the desginer had in mind or what some people claimed it to be.
No no.. blue stripes resembles Atlantic and Pacific ocean and the white is the continent between them..
Which includes from Canada up to Argentina/Chile on the south. that's where "The promised holy land is".This inline with what Maverick has shown earlier..
http//www.econ.ohio-state.edu/jhm/arch/loslunas.htmlSo you who are not jews and living in the America continent, better start packing your things and move to hmmm.. that tiny land in the middle east! rotfl rotfl
PS Archeological evidence can be 'derived' to support any conclusions..
Salam / Peace
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No no.. blue stripes resembles Atlantic and Pacific ocean and the white is the continent between them..
Which includes from Canada up to Argentina/Chile on the south. that's where "The promised holy land is".This inline with what Maverick has shown earlier..
http//www.econ.ohio-state.edu/jhm/arch/loslunas.htmlSo you who are not jews and living in the America continent, better start packing your things and move to hmmm.. that tiny land in the middle east! rotfl rotfl
PS Archeological evidence can be 'derived' to support any conclusions..
Salam / Peace
rotfl rotfl rotfl