There is No God.

Abdun_Nur

Salaam nurmuhammed,

could you provide the evidence to support your conclusion, have you considered all arguments and investigated all available avenues of reason that could get to the truth, or have you simply stated a bind faith based opinion, founded on the majority view, never investigated, never even considered from any perspective except simple thoughtless acceptance, and as the Qur'an wisely states the majority are at a loss.

I realise you have not taken the time to read any of the thread, that would require effort, and as you express opinions without any effort, it is clear effort is not your strong point.

adjwi

Hello everyone,

I can't imagine how a Godless concept could be considered by someone whose avatar is such as nurmuhammed. Is the focus presented by the image other than religious?

peace,

adjwi

nurmuhammed

elektro

hi Abdun Nur and adjwi,
I am very glad to have a conversation with u.
I see,
one of u wants a decent point about God's existence and adjwi wants to get deep about my avatar.
Well Abdun Nur, I simply believe in God's existence.
I realize that the place and our life here is not for nothing, there is a specific purpose of our and other creation existence. This life what we are living IN! is not really a game like it seems to us.

Here is a Source, the One who watching you now !how u r reading, reflecting....analyzing my words !or anything what happens near u. So I bear witness that Here, There ... Everywhere is GOD.
GOD is first witness.
Well adjwi, my avatar says No god but God. adjwi look at my avatar again and try to understand like this
creation should stop to play a god because creation is creation, and creator is creator.
How do u focus ON avatar now man?
http//johnkapeleris.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/focus_11.jpg

Kaiokenred

elektro

hi Abdun Nur and adjwi,
I am very glad to have a conversation with u.
I see,
one of u wants a decent point about God's existence and adjwi wants to get deep about my avatar.
Well Abdun Nur, I simply believe in God's existence.
I realize that the place and our life here is not for nothing, there is a specific purpose of our and other creation existence. This life what we are living IN! is not really a game like it seems to us.

Here is a Source, the One who watching you now !how u r reading, reflecting....analyzing my words !or anything what happens near u. So I bear witness that Here, There ... Everywhere is GOD.
GOD is first witness.
Well adjwi, my avatar says No god but God. adjwi look at my avatar again and try to understand like this
creation should stop to play a god because creation is creation, and creator is creator.
How do u focus ON avatar now man?
http//johnkapeleris.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/focus_11.jpg

He's not saying Allah doesn't exist. He's saying Allah isn't a god. Work with your reading comprehension.

nurmuhammed

hi Kaiokenred,
yes I realize now. Now I know what he is talking about.
I am sorry for my misunderstanding.
Just now, I did read the http//servantofthelight.com/content/view/7/1/.

Bender

hi Kaiokenred,
yes I realize now. Now I know what he is talking about.
I am sorry for my misunderstanding.
Just now, I did read the http//servantofthelight.com/content/view/7/1/.

Salaam,

I read a little to understand what he means, he totally lost me here

The Arabic word is not one word. It actually consist of three words in this order. First word is =Allathee means "who is". This in writing is well know to be only written as or Al but this Al does not mean "the". It is followed by , Laa, meaning "not" and finally , illah, meaning the pagan Arab God or God in general. Hence the whole phrase would translated as "who is not god".

I wonder how he understand this
5922 ...
according to his understanding we have to understand this part of this verse as "He who is not god, who is not god except He..."
nope

Salaam,
Bender

nurmuhammed

hi Abdun Nur,
Man, to say GOD or ALLAH is not wrong. Because we are talking here about same sole creator.
It is just a language differences man.

Important thing when a human translates words from Quran human shall translate it very carefully, I mean with optimal dictionary base. !

-* group

adjwi

hi Abdun Nur,
Man, to say GOD or ALLAH is not wrong. Because we are talking here about same sole creator.
It is just a language differences man.

Important thing when a human translates words from Quran human shall translate it very carefully, I mean with optimal dictionary base. !

-* group

Hello everyone,

My understanding is that a God, a unique God, never-the-less a GOD, admits a deity, deism, religion, adoration etc..., etc... etc... These whole activities consist in distraction in learning about allah and his dean as guidance for we, his creation and most importantly in doing the activities that serve allah's will for his creation. If your belief is held with blind faith, tradition, dogma, etc... rather than a belief upheld with science, knowledge, learning, reflection, etc... than admit such beliefs have different values. They produce different activities. Allah is rabb, rabb is the creator. So basically the idea is to forget GOD, forget religion and those two words DO NOT mean allah and dean. But then, this understanding could be wrong...

Peace,

adjwi

p.s. I suggest going easy with the 'man' as it sounds lacking respect

nurmuhammed

Dear adjwi,
man what is your problem with word "GOD"???
what's wrong by saying "man" ???

http//farm2.staticflickr.com/1006/1369952540_be029c8337.jpg

Take it easy!

Kaiokenred

Peace Abdun Nur,

I read your essay Freedom means responsibility and it made sense a lot, but this verse is confusing me

And , when your Lord said to the angels, "Indeed, I will make upon the earth a successive authority." They said, "Will You place upon it one who causes corruption therein and sheds blood, while we declare Your praise and sanctify You?" Allah said, "Indeed, I know that which you do not know." 2/30

What's your opinion on this? And can you please clarify in some way that which Bender asked?

Kaiokenred

Here's some food for thought
http//www.awakeningblog.com/statue-of-liberty.html

Watch the video. I don't know if it's true or not, decide what you believe yourself.
But if it's true and the term "god" was first used by the Queen of Babylon to name his husband a SUN GOD, and herself the Queen of Heavens, why in the world would Allah be something that generated from a human's brain? ( And all that to call her husband a god and herself a goddess )

Ruuube

Here's some food for thought
http//www.awakeningblog.com/statue-of-liberty.html

Watch the video. I don't know if it's true or not, decide what you believe yourself.
But if it's true and the term "god" was first used by the Queen of Babylon to name his husband a SUN GOD, and herself the Queen of Heavens, why in the world would Allah be something that generated from a human's brain? ( And all that to call her husband a god and herself a goddess )

Personally I think you are looking at it backwards.

God is the best description we have for... God. If God was to speak to us in terms we didn't understand, we wouldn't be able to make sense of it. The question 'Why is the soap bubble round?' comes to mind.

Kaiokenred

Personally I think you are looking at it backwards.

God is the best description we have for... God. If God was to speak to us in terms we didn't understand, we wouldn't be able to make sense of it. The question 'Why is the soap bubble round?' comes to mind.

If you read more posts on this thread you'd see evidence that Allah is indeed not god.

Ruuube

If you read more posts on this thread you'd see evidence that Allah is indeed not god.

2163, 2555, I could go on.

I'd rather not construe literal verses to fit a different opinion or worldview.

Kaiokenred

2163, 2555, I could go on.

I'd rather not construe literal verses to fit a different opinion or worldview.

Translations you believe are obviously from traditionalists, thus heavily affected by hadiths and corrupted.
I only accept translations from SOL, others are just a shadow of their true meaning.
Many times I happened to see translations not fitting with Abdun Nur's view and thus my own, and then got worried and didn't know what to believe anymore, but then I still found explanations for them.
Even some verse that says " Ilahi anass " and is translated by traditionalists as "God of mankind" referring to Allah on the previous verses, has another translations, " A deity for worship and adoration is the mental confusion ",
so you're not really proving anything with that verse

And 2555 doesn't exist, did you mean 255, if so I don't see the problem.

Kaiokenred

http//ldolphin.org/semir.html

Zulf

Even some verse that says " Ilahi anass " and is translated by traditionalists as "God of mankind" referring to Allah on the previous verses, has another translations, " A deity for worship and adoration is the mental confusion ",

To those who are well versed in arabic grammar
Does this alternate translation given above by Kaio hold in terms of grammar? Is it grammatically sound?
I believe Abdunur got "mental confusion' from meanings listed under the root Nun Waw Seen.

Peace

Kaiokenred

To those who are well versed in arabic grammar
Does this alternate translation given above by Kaio hold in terms of grammar? Is it grammatically sound?
I believe Abdunur got "mental confusion' from meanings listed under the root Nun Waw Seen.

Peace

Dr. Badar Kanwar is the one who translated it. The translation on Servantofthelight is done by him

Zulf

Ok.

I thought I'd ask someone on this forum who might like to share some about grammar (instead of tracking Dr. Badar down and asking him). Personally I'm not able to analyze it. Second of all it is always good to get a "second opinion", i.e. from someone who is not the author of that which is to be analyzed... like peer review.

Peace

Kaiokenred

Ok.

I thought I'd ask someone on this forum who might like to share some about grammar (instead of tracking Dr. Badar down and asking him). Personally I'm not able to analyze it. Second of all it is always good to get a "second opinion", i.e. from someone who is not the author of that which is to be analyzed... like peer review.

Peace

Well lordfox told me it made sense. He knows arabic since he's from Morocco ( although he doesn't live there )