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There is No God.

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    Abdun_Nur
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    Salaam Ahmed,

    my view of the here after is, we are in what you would consider the here after, we have never been anywhere else, it is only in what we perceive, you perceive you are in this world, you perceive a different understanding after you wake up from the sleep of this reality.

    Some people wake up while they are in the world of the sleepers, like Muhammad, and these people can function in the same way a man who is awake can act compared to a room full of sleepers, he can see what is obvious, he can wake others, he can explain in the ears of the dreamers, and they can gain some benefit.

    If you want to understand the concept of Allah you should read http//servantofthelight.com/content/view/92/1/

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      IAMOP
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      Peace
      This is correct. But there is also the Last Day.

      The nature is that we are already at judgement day. For instance now I am in the process of saying "Ah, here is my record, read it" just as people create autobiographies.

      However there is a REAL judgement day which occurs post-death and it is every bit a grievous day as described in the quran. And then you will read my REAL holographic record which will reveal all.

      Peace

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        silverquin
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        Of course there is God, cos if the world created from nothing then it only creates nothing (0=1-1, nothing will always equal to nothing). God gave proof of his existence through many things..

        "Visible proofs have come to you from your Lord; so whoever can see, does so for himself, and whoever is blinded, does the same. I am not a watcher over you." (6104)

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          Abdun_Nur
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          That's the way to go Silverquin, make a comment solely on the title of the thread, show your depth of insight.

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            silverquin
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            lol sorry but the title's very interesting.

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              nurmuhammed
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              I will write just this
              It is not true, It is that simple!!!!!

              GLORY BE TO GOD!

              elektro

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                Abdun_Nur
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                Salaam nurmuhammed,

                could you provide the evidence to support your conclusion, have you considered all arguments and investigated all available avenues of reason that could get to the truth, or have you simply stated a bind faith based opinion, founded on the majority view, never investigated, never even considered from any perspective except simple thoughtless acceptance, and as the Qur'an wisely states the majority are at a loss.

                I realise you have not taken the time to read any of the thread, that would require effort, and as you express opinions without any effort, it is clear effort is not your strong point.

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                  adjwi
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                  Hello everyone,

                  I can't imagine how a Godless concept could be considered by someone whose avatar is such as nurmuhammed. Is the focus presented by the image other than religious?

                  peace,

                  adjwi

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                    nurmuhammed
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                    elektro

                    hi Abdun Nur and adjwi,
                    I am very glad to have a conversation with u.
                    I see,
                    one of u wants a decent point about God's existence and adjwi wants to get deep about my avatar.
                    Well Abdun Nur, I simply believe in God's existence.
                    I realize that the place and our life here is not for nothing, there is a specific purpose of our and other creation existence. This life what we are living IN! is not really a game like it seems to us.

                    • Here is a Source, the One who watching you now !how u r reading, reflecting....analyzing my words !or anything what happens near u. So I bear witness that Here, There ... Everywhere is GOD.
                      GOD is first witness.
                      Well adjwi, my avatar says No god but God. adjwi look at my avatar again and try to understand like this
                      creation should stop to play a god because creation is creation, and creator is creator.
                      How do u focus ON avatar now man?
                      http//johnkapeleris.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/focus_11.jpg
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                      Kaiokenred
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                      elektro

                      hi Abdun Nur and adjwi,
                      I am very glad to have a conversation with u.
                      I see,
                      one of u wants a decent point about God's existence and adjwi wants to get deep about my avatar.
                      Well Abdun Nur, I simply believe in God's existence.
                      I realize that the place and our life here is not for nothing, there is a specific purpose of our and other creation existence. This life what we are living IN! is not really a game like it seems to us.

                      • Here is a Source, the One who watching you now !how u r reading, reflecting....analyzing my words !or anything what happens near u. So I bear witness that Here, There ... Everywhere is GOD.
                        GOD is first witness.
                        Well adjwi, my avatar says No god but God. adjwi look at my avatar again and try to understand like this
                        creation should stop to play a god because creation is creation, and creator is creator.
                        How do u focus ON avatar now man?
                        http//johnkapeleris.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/focus_11.jpg

                      He's not saying Allah doesn't exist. He's saying Allah isn't a god. Work with your reading comprehension.

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                        nurmuhammed
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                        hi Kaiokenred,
                        yes I realize now. Now I know what he is talking about.
                        I am sorry for my misunderstanding.
                        Just now, I did read the http//servantofthelight.com/content/view/7/1/.

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                          Bender
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                          hi Kaiokenred,
                          yes I realize now. Now I know what he is talking about.
                          I am sorry for my misunderstanding.
                          Just now, I did read the http//servantofthelight.com/content/view/7/1/.

                          Salaam,

                          I read a little to understand what he means, he totally lost me here

                          The Arabic word is not one word. It actually consist of three words in this order. First word is =Allathee means "who is". This in writing is well know to be only written as or Al but this Al does not mean "the". It is followed by , Laa, meaning "not" and finally , illah, meaning the pagan Arab God or God in general. Hence the whole phrase would translated as "who is not god".

                          I wonder how he understand this
                          5922 ...
                          according to his understanding we have to understand this part of this verse as "He who is not god, who is not god except He..."
                          nope

                          Salaam,
                          Bender

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                            nurmuhammed
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                            hi Abdun Nur,
                            Man, to say GOD or ALLAH is not wrong. Because we are talking here about same sole creator.
                            It is just a language differences man.

                            • Important thing when a human translates words from Quran human shall translate it very carefully, I mean with optimal dictionary base. !

                            -* group

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                              adjwi
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                              hi Abdun Nur,
                              Man, to say GOD or ALLAH is not wrong. Because we are talking here about same sole creator.
                              It is just a language differences man.

                              • Important thing when a human translates words from Quran human shall translate it very carefully, I mean with optimal dictionary base. !

                              -* group

                              Hello everyone,

                              My understanding is that a God, a unique God, never-the-less a GOD, admits a deity, deism, religion, adoration etc..., etc... etc... These whole activities consist in distraction in learning about allah and his dean as guidance for we, his creation and most importantly in doing the activities that serve allah's will for his creation. If your belief is held with blind faith, tradition, dogma, etc... rather than a belief upheld with science, knowledge, learning, reflection, etc... than admit such beliefs have different values. They produce different activities. Allah is rabb, rabb is the creator. So basically the idea is to forget GOD, forget religion and those two words DO NOT mean allah and dean. But then, this understanding could be wrong...

                              Peace,

                              adjwi

                              p.s. I suggest going easy with the 'man' as it sounds lacking respect

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                                nurmuhammed
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                                Dear adjwi,
                                man what is your problem with word "GOD"???
                                what's wrong by saying "man" ???

                                http//farm2.staticflickr.com/1006/1369952540_be029c8337.jpg

                                Take it easy!

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                                  Kaiokenred
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                                  Peace Abdun Nur,

                                  I read your essay Freedom means responsibility and it made sense a lot, but this verse is confusing me

                                  And , when your Lord said to the angels, "Indeed, I will make upon the earth a successive authority." They said, "Will You place upon it one who causes corruption therein and sheds blood, while we declare Your praise and sanctify You?" Allah said, "Indeed, I know that which you do not know." 2/30

                                  What's your opinion on this? And can you please clarify in some way that which Bender asked?

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                                    Kaiokenred
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                                    Here's some food for thought
                                    http//www.awakeningblog.com/statue-of-liberty.html

                                    Watch the video. I don't know if it's true or not, decide what you believe yourself.
                                    But if it's true and the term "god" was first used by the Queen of Babylon to name his husband a SUN GOD, and herself the Queen of Heavens, why in the world would Allah be something that generated from a human's brain? ( And all that to call her husband a god and herself a goddess )

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                                      Ruuube
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                                      Here's some food for thought
                                      http//www.awakeningblog.com/statue-of-liberty.html

                                      Watch the video. I don't know if it's true or not, decide what you believe yourself.
                                      But if it's true and the term "god" was first used by the Queen of Babylon to name his husband a SUN GOD, and herself the Queen of Heavens, why in the world would Allah be something that generated from a human's brain? ( And all that to call her husband a god and herself a goddess )

                                      Personally I think you are looking at it backwards.

                                      God is the best description we have for... God. If God was to speak to us in terms we didn't understand, we wouldn't be able to make sense of it. The question 'Why is the soap bubble round?' comes to mind.

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                                        Kaiokenred
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                                        Personally I think you are looking at it backwards.

                                        God is the best description we have for... God. If God was to speak to us in terms we didn't understand, we wouldn't be able to make sense of it. The question 'Why is the soap bubble round?' comes to mind.

                                        If you read more posts on this thread you'd see evidence that Allah is indeed not god.

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                                          Ruuube
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                                          If you read more posts on this thread you'd see evidence that Allah is indeed not god.

                                          2163, 2555, I could go on.

                                          I'd rather not construe literal verses to fit a different opinion or worldview.

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