Converting Iraqi Muslims to Christianity
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He is considered unclean(not paak) that is why he is sitting on the footpath- he isn't allowed to eat in a plate as the plate will become unclean too, sorry that is what i learnt when i was young and lived in Pakistan, and now feel disgust at such a teaching.
I understand, and I agree. I know there is alot of crap ideas about paak and napaak... so I would not say you are wrong... but I fin it hard to believe it is "institutionalized".... and by the way, the poorest people we now talk about eat in different styles, different places, getting their food through different means and sources... so all poor christians are not without "plates".
how are they creating trouble? surely not if they are merely teaching their bible!
True, if that was the case. But this is not all that goes on!!! That's the whole point!
I'm talking about padres etc with beards sometimes longer than the mullahs', preaching to poor christians (because it is the poor who are targeted!) not to accept anything in terms of help or otherwise from their muslim neighbours. I was told about many such events by for example one house maid (christian) who indeed used to live peacefully side by side with their muslim neighbours as per her own testimony... even at times exchanging food etc with eachother. She narrated the padres (as she called them) came from abroad and insisted they cut the relations with the muslim neighbours. They were e.g. not allowed to accept food from them as they had not mentioned the name of jesus over the meat.I think convenent schools may be the only one available,as the demand for such educationally inspiring schools is high.
No. Not true. And they are not more educationally inspiring than many other schools. Are you living outside Pakistan?
Yes some things are against Islam, but we must teach some things at home to our kids too- are we lazy at it or what?then we cry our kids havn't the manners of our deen!
True. But most muslims, as far as I reckon, has not much clue about the deen as given in the quran. They only know what their mullahs and authorities dictate.
Where are the facts?
The facts are on the ground, on the streets, in real life.... go out and see!
The convents are also not available to the masses! It is the educated (but ignorant) muslim families who send their children to these schools as a way of getting status. It's so stupid. As far as the poor people are concerned, they are not targeted through fancy schools...
Peace!
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I'm not telling you that Christianity is the truth or Islam is the truth. I am just rebutting the idea that they have more in common with us than the Sunni and Shia Muslims. There is a huge difference about who Jesus really is and no it is not similar to Islam at all.
And what does one opinion upon a person who lived and died 2000 years make up for such a "Huge Differences" ????
I see more similarity for those who had a dispute regarding Mr . X who lived and died 2000 years ago, where they think Mr. X is Y and the other who think Mr. X is Z..
Whatever X, Y, Z is..
X can be Jesus,
Y can be "Died on the Cross"
and Z can be "Didn't die on the cross"...They're both Stupid and Ridiculous...
Given They never ever met Mr. X since they live 2000 years apart with Mr. X.Salam / Peace
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And what does one opinion upon a person who lived and died 2000 years make up for such a "Huge Differences" ????
I see more similarity for those who had a dispute regarding Mr . X who lived and died 2000 years ago, where they think Mr. X is Y and the other who think Mr. X is Z..
Whatever X, Y, Z is..
X can be Jesus,
Y can be "Died on the Cross"
and Z can be "Didn't die on the cross"...They're both Stupid and Ridiculous...
Given They never ever met Mr. X since they live 2000 years apart with Mr. X.Salam / Peace
You can think of it as stupid and as ridiculous as you like. But similar no? It's like saying that an apple and an orange are exactly the same because they are both round, when we both know that they taste completely different.
Anyway it seems that you are the kind of person who is incapable of having a polite debate and just enjoy aggravating the person you are talking to, which is very immature. I used to enjoy this style of debating when I was in my early 20s, but at 31 no. Either you tell me your point of view without being offensive or let's not talk at all. We are all adults here and there is no need for that kind of behavior.
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I'm not telling you that Christianity is the truth or Islam is the truth. I am just rebutting the idea that they have more in common with us than the Sunni and Shia Muslims. There is a huge difference about who Jesus really is and no it is not similar to Islam at all.
Other than the issue of jJesus's divinity, what other issue Christians differ with us on? Meanwhile I could go for two whole days to explain the differences between us and your average Muslim. Plus all Sunni authority and Shia authority would wish you were dead right now. Better think again.
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Other than the issue of jJesus's divinity, what other issue Christians differ with us on? Meanwhile I could go for two whole days to explain the differences between us and your average Muslim. Plus all Sunni authority and Shia authority would wish you were dead right now. Better think again.
You make it seem like the issue of Jesus divinity is a little thing. That is a big deal, a huge deal, a massive deal. O0
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You make it seem like the issue of Jesus divinity is a little thing. That is a big deal, a huge deal, a massive deal. O0
Its a big deal cause you make it so. It ain't a big deal to me. Anyways Muslims believe Muhamad has divine authority. The reason why they don't say Muhammad was divine is to transfer that authority to the ruler. However they gave him absolute divine authority. He has the authority to intriduce legislations like the Koran does, he can even abrogate the Koran and even contradict it. I fail to see why you see Muslim converting to Christianity as a bad deal.
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You can think of it as stupid and as ridiculous as you like. But similar no? It's like saying that an apple and an orange are exactly the same because they are both round, when we both know that they taste completely different.
Yes it's similar as Rotten Apple and Rotten Orange are similarly Rotten...
And when they're rotten they taste pretty much the same..Anyway it seems that you are the kind of person who is incapable of having a polite debate and just enjoy aggravating the person you are talking to, which is very immature. I used to enjoy this style of debating when I was in my early 20s, but at 31 no. Either you tell me your point of view without being offensive or let's not talk at all. We are all adults here and there is no need for that kind of behavior.
Hello??
Are you being 'insulted' because I said "both of THEM are stupid and ridiculous?"
I didn't say "YOU".. I said "THEM"..
Do you feel you're among THEM?
If you're then I apologize...Salam / Peace
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You make it seem like the issue of Jesus divinity is a little thing. That is a big deal, a huge deal, a massive deal. O0
Bro..
- Have you met Jesus? the answer is obviously no.. and so does billions of other people who lives among us today..
- Can you explain what's your understanding of "divine"?
I have asked the question #2 to many xtians.. and mostly the answers that I got are similar to
"I dunno... the priests/church said so..... so I said yeah.. he's divine... whatever that mean"..Salam / Peace
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Its a big deal cause you make it so. It ain't a big deal to me. Anyways Muslims believe Muhamad has divine authority. The reason why they don't say Muhammad was divine is to transfer that authority to the ruler. However they gave him absolute divine authority. He has the authority to intriduce legislations like the Koran does, he can even abrogate the Koran and even contradict it. I fail to see why you see Muslim converting to Christianity as a bad deal.
Muslims give Prophet Mohamed (PBUH) insane powers. However, they do not think of him as a God or the son of God. Big difference )
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when there is a place of worship where love, forgiveness by 'God' is preached and you can come as you are but better if you come in your finest vs another place of worship where women enter from a side door or not at all where you worship this 'angry' God that you have to wash a certain way certain number of times and then have to pray a certain way, certain number of times. and if you don't then you are not a good practicing believer.
ok - if i had to choose, i would choose church over mosque. man created christianity over man created islam. sad that made created religions than God's religion is spreading may it be 'christianity' or 'islam'.
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when there is a place of worship where love, forgiveness by 'God' is preached and you can come as you are but better if you come in your finest vs another place of worship where women enter from a side door or not at all where you worship this 'angry' God that you have to wash a certain way certain number of times and then have to pray a certain way, certain number of times. and if you don't then you are not a good practicing believer.
ok - if i had to choose, i would choose church over mosque. man created christianity over man created islam. sad that made created religions than God's religion is spreading may it be 'christianity' or 'islam'.
I like that answer. Going to a mosque for any of us could be dangerous.
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I like that answer. Going to a mosque for any of us could be dangerous.
9108 Never stand thou forth therein. There is a mosque whose foundation was laid from the first day on piety; it is more worthy of the standing forth (for prayer) therein. In it are men who love to be purified; and Allah loveth those who make themselves pure.
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ok - if i had to choose, i would choose church over mosque. man created christianity over man created islam. sad that made created religions than God's religion is spreading may it be 'christianity' or 'islam'.
Why should it matter if there is a side entrance for women or washing rituals, when the Quran has given us clear guidance to search for a right mosque built on piety
9108 Never stand thou forth therein. There is a mosque whose foundation was laid from the first day on piety; it is more worthy of the standing forth (for prayer) therein. In it are men who love to be purified; and Allah loveth those who make themselves pure. -
Why should it matter if there is a side entrance for women or washing rituals, when the Quran has given us clear guidance to search for a right mosque built on piety
9108 Never stand thou forth therein. There is a mosque whose foundation was laid from the first day on piety; it is more worthy of the standing forth (for prayer) therein. In it are men who love to be purified; and Allah loveth those who make themselves pure.It matters to most Muslims just like praying 4 rika' for asr prayers matter. They are not that flexible and between Muslims and us is a luge wall. Its hard having a religious debate with Muslims, much harder than Christians.
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Why should it matter if there is a side entrance for women or washing rituals, when the Quran has given us clear guidance to search for a right mosque built on piety
9108 Never stand thou forth therein. There is a mosque whose foundation was laid from the first day on piety; it is more worthy of the standing forth (for prayer) therein. In it are men who love to be purified; and Allah loveth those who make themselves pure.is there a mosque where the foundation is laid from the Koran? if so where? i would like to attend that mosque.
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is there a mosque where the foundation is laid from the Koran? if so where? i would like to attend that mosque.
By then you'll be stepping your feet on the Koran...
Which many sectarians see that as an act of 'contempt', given that Koran is holy...
rotfl rotflSalam / Peace
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is there a mosque where the foundation is laid from the Koran? if so where? i would like to attend that mosque.
You are welcome to join me and one other brother in faith, who use my living room as a mosque on Fridays. That's as close as we can get to what you seek above.