Terrified

hawk99

I think one the greatest mistakes we (humans) make is underestimating our mortal enemy satan.
in the west we never saw satan coming in the form of eastern traditions, unauthorized opinions,
poor translations of the Quran and cultural representation mistakened for religious practice.
O0

He said, "Since You have willed that I go astray,* I will skulk for them on Your straight path Say, "O followers of the scripture, why do you repel from the path of GOD those who wish to believe, and seek to distort it, even though you are witnesses?" GOD is never unaware of anything you do

Under the guise of their apparent faith, they repel the people from the path of GOD. Miserable indeed is what they do.

reflect on what happened in the Garden of eden
Make your life between you and God.
as salamu alaikum

Bender

I am married with a daughter, my husband came to Islam while incarcerated in prison, even though his father was Muslim (and is also incarcerated). I am the only Muslim in my family, other than a distant cousin. I was raised Christian and for a while studied with Jehovahs Witnesses. Of course, they too commit shirk and once I realized that, I came to Islam.

Salaam,

welcome handshake

It took me several readings to understand the red part
After first reading I was like second reading hypno after the third reading I started to hmm then finally a ! and rotfl about my stupidness.

InshaAllah soon you will make a new nick, something like happymuslimah

Salaam,
Bender

unknownuser

Bender,

I am so sorry...I apologize for my horrible grammar. My thoughts were coming much too quickly when I posted that. "I am married and have a daughter" would have been the appropriate statement there.

cellobykasia

Walekum Salam, Welcome to the forum!

I can relate very much to your trepidation. I am fairly new to Islam but my personality and analytical mind have always approached it with a "show me proof" attitude, which inherently means that it will take a long time (if not forever) to understand/read/reflect on the Quran and its meanings. In the meantime I started to practice salat, fast for Ramadan, go to mosque, etc...but even on the intuitive level I have also felt something was "wrong" with many of the traditions I began to adapt. For example, I first began using a translated version of the prayer and every time I recited the passages about Mohammed I felt a strange feeling deep in my stomach. Somehow, I just knew it didn't fit. And now after joining this forum, I understand that my subconscious was recognizing it as worshiping someone other than God.

I also have a husband who was born Muslim - a Sunni. We have already had many heated discussions because he takes everything he was taught at face value and I take nothing at face value. He feels frustrated that I won't allow him to "lead me the right way" and that "i always need proof." And I am very anxious as to what his reaction will be now that I have found others who are reinforcing my initial arguments. If there is anyone who has any advice about how I can make peace with my husband while at the same time sharing my spiritual journey with him, I would be very appreciative.

Jafar

Walekum Salam, Welcome to the forum!

I can relate very much to your trepidation. I am fairly new to Islam but my personality and analytical mind have always approached it with a "show me proof" attitude, which inherently means that it will take a long time (if not forever) to understand/read/reflect on the Quran and its meanings. In the meantime I started to practice salat, fast for Ramadan, go to mosque, etc...but even on the intuitive level I have also felt something was "wrong" with many of the traditions I began to adapt. For example, I first began using a translated version of the prayer and every time I recited the passages about Mohammed I felt a strange feeling deep in my stomach. Somehow, I just knew it didn't fit. And now after joining this forum, I understand that my subconscious was recognizing it as worshiping someone other than God.

I also have a husband who was born Muslim - a Sunni. We have already had many heated discussions because he takes everything he was taught at face value and I take nothing at face value. He feels frustrated that I won't allow him to "lead me the right way" and that "i always need proof." And I am very anxious as to what his reaction will be now that I have found others who are reinforcing my initial arguments. If there is anyone who has any advice about how I can make peace with my husband while at the same time sharing my spiritual journey with him, I would be very appreciative.

Peace cellobykasia..

Forgive my bluntness.. but I'll be frank...
Prepare for the worst... your husband is a 'damaged good' and cannot be changed.. thus keep it as it is..
Your children however still has some bright future... keep them away from the insanity of religion..
Our children don't deserve to inherit our insanity..

Salam / Peace

renztubz

Don't get terrified. God is with you.

cellobykasia

Peace cellobykasia..

Forgive my bluntness.. but I'll be frank...
Prepare for the worst... your husband is a 'damaged good' and cannot be changed.. thus keep it as it is..
Your children however still has some bright future... keep them away from the insanity of religion..
Our children don't deserve to inherit our insanity..

Salam / Peace

Do not worry about your bluntness. I do, in fact, believe that in some ways you may be right. In the end, it is battle of the ego's that cannot be and only ends when one side lowers their sword. To have that peace, I think you are right, I must just accept him for who he is.

hawk99

Walekum Salam, Welcome to the forum!

I can relate very much to your trepidation. I am fairly new to Islam but my personality and analytical mind have always approached it with a "show me proof" attitude, which inherently means that it will take a long time (if not forever) to understand/read/reflect on the Quran and its meanings. In the meantime I started to practice salat, fast for Ramadan, go to mosque, etc...but even on the intuitive level I have also felt something was "wrong" with many of the traditions I began to adapt. For example, I first began using a translated version of the prayer and every time I recited the passages about Mohammed I felt a strange feeling deep in my stomach. Somehow, I just knew it didn't fit. And now after joining this forum, I understand that my subconscious was recognizing it as worshiping someone other than God.

I also have a husband who was born Muslim - a Sunni. We have already had many heated discussions because he takes everything he was taught at face value and I take nothing at face value. He feels frustrated that I won't allow him to "lead me the right way" and that "i always need proof." And I am very anxious as to what his reaction will be now that I have found others who are reinforcing my initial arguments. If there is anyone who has any advice about how I can make peace with my husband while at the same time sharing my spiritual journey with him, I would be very appreciative.

uuummm rough

be prepared for more arguments but argue in the best way. Maintain your love and sense of humor
Don't panic. Allah chose you to help those who would be guided. Let me relate a story

My wife and I were sunni
one day she say's to me "close the closet"!
I say to her why?
she say's "because the jinn hides in dark places"
so I say to her "so the jinn is in the closet doing what for 24 hours a day"
she thinks, laughs then reply's "I don't know"
then I say "poor jinn needs something to do, that has to very boring."
So we both shared a light moment.
My point is, give it time, you are also unlike me dealing with the male ego O0

Muhammad Forbidden from Issuing Any Religious Teachings

This is the utterance of an honorable messenger.

Not the utterance of a poet; rarely do you believe.

Nor the utterance of a soothsayer; rarely do you take heed.

A revelation from the Lord of the universe.

Had he uttered any other teachings.

We would have punished him.

We would have stopped the revelations to him.

None of you could have helped him.

This is a reminder for the righteous.

We know; some of you are rejectors.

It is but sorrow for the disbelievers.

It is the absolute truth.

Peace

Recluse

I might suggest do not follow only the Quran.. ))
Yet follow your conscience.. as God often spoke through it...

Saying Qur'an shouldn't be followed is outright kufr, I'm afraid. It means one doesn't trust or believe in God.

Recluse

follow the good and leave the bad, from whatever source.

Peace,

Verse 285

After this it is ye, the same people, who slay among yourselves, and banish a party of you from their homes; assist (Their enemies) against them, in guilt and rancour; and if they come to you as captives, ye ransom them, though it was not lawful for you to banish them. Then is it only a part of the Book that ye believe in, and do ye reject the rest? but what is the reward for those among you who behave like this but disgrace in this life?- and on the Day of Judgment they shall be consigned to the most grievous penalty. For God is not unmindful of what ye do.

Jafar

Saying Qur'an shouldn't be followed is outright kufr, I'm afraid. It means one doesn't trust or believe in God.

God and Quran is different entity..

Don't idolize the Quran.. it was written by human, translated / explained by human..
Many people 'hide behind the Quran' to support their own twisted opinion..

It's mind boggling, to trust a book, a dead matter, written by human hands more than your own conscience..

And why Kufr? Kufr is "Hiding/covering the truth"..
But in any case... so be it... as it's coming from you anyway.. who do you think you are?

Salam / Peace

hawk99

God and Quran is different entity.. )

Don't idolize the Quran.. it was written by human, translated / explained by human..
Many people 'hide behind the Quran' to support their own twisted opinion..

It's mind boggling, to trust a book, a dead matter, written by human hands more than your own conscience..

And why Kufr? Kufr is "Hiding/covering the truth"..
But in any case... so be it... as it's coming from you anyway.. who do you think you are?

Salam / Peace

eww we shaytayn
calm down
I seek refuge in God from satan the rejected
do you want us muslims to believe as you believe Jafar
Are you muslim?
Where do you find your point of view Jafar?
Where do you get your information?

"As for those who disbelieve and reject our revelations, they will be dwellers of Hell, wherein they abide forever."

We have sent down to you such clear revelations, and only the wicked will reject them.

well my friend I don't want to beat up on you too bad, but I could all day and night.

Peace O0

Jafar

eww we shaytayn
calm down
I seek refuge in God from satan the rejected

Good for you and you should..

do you want us muslims to believe as you believe Jafar
Are you muslim?

Define what is muslim to you... and I'll answer that.. being a muslim has NO CORRELATION with Quran.. as evidenced by stories in the Quran itself...
No I don't want YOU to believe as I believe.. I want YOU to believe as your heart tells you to believe... not what a dead matter / book written by human hands and explained by Imams told you to believe..

Where do you find your point of view Jafar?
Where do you get your information?

My own conscience tell me that..
Where did Abraham get his inspiration from? Quran? A book?
Where did Noah get his inspiration from? A book? Hardly.. paper is not yet invented during his time...

Where did Pharaoh get his inspiration from? A book called the "Book Of The Dead".. written by human hands and authorized by the egyptian high priest..
It was the egyptians who initially thought of an idea for 'a book' (a scroll to be exact) which EVERYBODY should buy (and of course sold and available through the priest) to be 'saved' on afterlife.... Those who didn't have the book and/or disbelieve on it shall not earn any 'immortality'.. (hmmm sounds familiar???)
For your education http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2-0lfJQGGs

well my friend I don't want to beat up on you too bad, but I could all day and night.

No problems..
I'm used to be called "Kuffars", "Murtaad", "Satan" by the ignorant sectarians...

Salam / Peace

good_logic

Peace jafar.

I agree that a book is just that" a book", and we should not idolise a book. But the word of GOD has to be written somewhere, it happens to be in a book.

Now, are you saying GOD did not send a message? Do you believe the "Qoran" is the word of GOD? If not Who is the author?

Did GOD send any message at all? Do you believe in GOD? Do you believe in prophets/ messengers of GOD? Where is their message?

As for your point of view, you are entitled to it, but it is just that, an opinion. Bring your proof/ justification if you are truthful.

Let us have some solid proof/ argument the " Qoran" is not the word of GOD.
Peace.

Jafar

Peace jafar.

I agree that a book is just that" a book", and we should not idolise a book. But the word of GOD has to be written somewhere, it happens to be in a book. Now, are you saying GOD did not send a message? Do you believe the "Qoran" is the word of GOD? If not Who is the author?

Show me the verse from the Quran where it say "This is the WORD OF GOD"..

Bring your proof/ justification if you are truthful.

Same to you.. bring your proof.. if you're truthful..

good_logic

Peace jafar.

Here are some of the verses that say/confirm it is the word of GOD
2213, 2285, 33, 34, 398, 4163, 64, 6114, 6115, 6157, 73, 76, 752, 212, 2110, 2127, 2358, 2784, 2946. 2947, 3339,

373, 4O83, 4141, 4144, 5417, 5677-80, 7352, 7354...

Peace.

Recluse

God and Quran is different entity.. )

The Qur'an is the truth revealed by God. We may misinterpret some verses, but that doesn't mean that the Qur'an is unreliable. We should strive to improve our understanding.

Recluse

Show me the verse from the Quran where it say "This is the WORD OF GOD"..
Same to you.. bring your proof.. if you're truthful..

You are not only extremely ignorant, but according to the Qur'an you are a kafir. It's your choice of course, I'm merely warning you because I care about human beings. There are so many peope on this forum who pretend to be Muslim when they are clearly not.

Recluse

Peace jafar.

Here are some of the verses that say/confirm it is the word of GOD
2213, 2285, 33, 34, 398, 4163, 64, 6114, 6115, 6157, 73, 76, 752, 212, 2110, 2127, 2358, 2784, 2946. 2947, 3339,

373, 4O83, 4141, 4144, 5417, 5677-80, 7352, 7354...

Peace.

Peace good logic,

Thanks, there are of course a lot more...

And as I posted earlier, God says in verse 285

After this it is ye, the same people, who slay among yourselves, and banish a party of you from their homes; assist (Their enemies) against them, in guilt and rancour; and if they come to you as captives, ye ransom them, though it was not lawful for you to banish them. Then is it only a part of the Book that ye believe in, and do ye reject the rest? but what is the reward for those among you who behave like this but disgrace in this life?- and on the Day of Judgment they shall be consigned to the most grievous penalty. For God is not unmindful of what ye do.

Jafar

You are not only extremely ignorant, but according to the Qur'an you are a kafir. It's your choice of course, I'm merely warning you because I care about human beings. There are so many peope on this forum who pretend to be Muslim when they are clearly not.

Define Kafir.. according to you.. I want to hear it...
Define Muslim according to you.. I want to hear it..

Who do you think you are?
You're not a God your labelling / cursing doesn't even scared me..
And please cut it off with your 'self righteous' attitude.. and don't forget to answer my question above.. I have asked it to you before and you haven't answered..

Salam / Peace