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Difference between a Prophet and a Messenger?

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    noshirk
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    Salaam good logic

    What is a human Rassool that is not a Nabi ? What would be his mission ?

    Peace

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      good_logic
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      Peace noshirk.

      To confirm an existing scripture and remind. Usually when the message is distorted/changed or to give the same message to extented/future generation after a time lapse?

      Peace.

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        Mazhar
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        What this particle and word denote? And to what it links?

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          good_logic
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          Peace Mazhar.

          That word denotes LAST, but last prophet. You will not find " Last messenger" in Qoran.

          Peace.

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            Mazhar
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            Peace Mazhar.

            That word denotes LAST, but last prophet. You will not find " Last messenger" in Qoran.

            Peace.

            Salamun Alaik, goodlogic.

            I only enquired about a Particle and a Word. No conclusions.
            What this Noun is? Indefinite or definite, singular or plural, passive or active participle, masculine or feminine; why is it in accusative case. What relationship it has with the following plural noun in genitive state?

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              NOMAD
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              Salaam

              Rasool is Messenger, theres no prophets of God.. and Nabi is servent
              Allah knows best pr

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                good_logic
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                Peace Mazhar.

                I know you mean well, but you lost me. I did not understand your " last" post.

                Peace.

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                  Mazhar
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                  Peace Mazhar.

                  I know you mean well, but you lost me. I did not understand your " last" post.

                  Peace.

                  Salamun Alaik,

                  Surprised by post 2 giving verdicts, I thought to put a general question, without referring to any post whether attention is paid to individual words.

                  The last post was again to know whether attention is paid to first know the Arabic word.

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                    good_logic
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                    Peace Mazhar.

                    What is wrong with post 2?

                    Peace.

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                      Mazhar
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                      Peace Mazhar.

                      What is wrong with post 2?

                      Peace.

                      Peace

                      That is pointed out in post 12. There is translation, and then based on it a verdict. Therefore, suggested to atleast first investigate about the word, before we arrive at conclusions and judgments.

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                        good_logic
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                        Peace Mazhar.

                        It is simple Muhammed was the last prophet but not the last messenger.

                        You are making it complicated.

                        Peace.

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                          Mazhar
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                          Peace Mazhar.

                          It is simple Muhammed was the last prophet but not the last messenger.

                          You are making it complicated.

                          Peace.

                          Peace,

                          No, I am suggesting a rational course for arriving at judgments. One can have any perception he likes to develop in his mind. But when judgments are related to a foreign text, the minimum requirement is that the person knows the word.

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                            noshirk
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                            Salaam

                            Aaron was only Nabi. It looks like if God made Aaron prophet to respond to a demand of Moses.
                            1953 And We granted him from Our mercy his brother Aaron as a prophet.
                            2029 "And allow for me an advisor from my family."
                            2030 "Aaron, my brother."
                            2535 And We gave Moses the Book and We made his brother Aaron a minister with him.

                            I think that Aaron case is very helpful to respond to the Nabi/Rassol distinction.
                            It is the nabi who confirm what rassool says. The Messenger bring a Message from GOD and the Nabi confirms by his own words.

                            The question is again, what will a human rassool do if Muhammad was not the last human Rassol ?

                            Peace

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                              Salaam

                              Aaron was only Nabi. It looks like if God made Aaron prophet to respond to a demand of Moses.
                              1953 And We granted him from Our mercy his brother Aaron as a prophet.
                              2029 "And allow for me an advisor from my family."
                              2030 "Aaron, my brother."
                              2535 And We gave Moses the Book and We made his brother Aaron a minister with him.

                              I think that Aaron case is very helpful to respond to the Nabi/Rassol distinction.
                              It is the nabi who confirm what rassool says. The Messenger bring a Message from GOD and the Nabi confirms by his own words.

                              The question is again, what will a human rassool do if Muhammad was not the last human Rassol ?

                              Peace

                              Salaam,

                              2616 "So both of you go to Pharaoh and say 'We are messengers of the Lord of the worlds'

                              Salaam,
                              Bender

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                                huruf
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                                Peace Mazhar.

                                It is simple Muhammed was the last prophet but not the last messenger.

                                You are making it complicated.

                                Peace.

                                I am not sure about the last of anything, the Qur'an says khatam an-nibiyin, seal of prophets. It depends what we understand by khatam. A meaning that for me seems unquestionable is that whatever revelation or message a prophet or messenger may bring, the Qur'an is the one that gives or denies its authenticity, that is, that puts the seal on it of being genuine.

                                Salaam

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                                  noshirk
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                                  Salaam,

                                  2616 "So both of you go to Pharaoh and say 'We are messengers of the Lord of the worlds'

                                  Salaam,
                                  Bender

                                  Salaam bender
                                  I think that we will not agree, as usual, on this point.

                                  2616 means that aaron is here as a messenger only for firaoun with a clear, precise and ponctual message
                                  We are messengers of the Lord of the worlds + 'So send with us the Children of Israel'"

                                  So aaron is not a messenger in the same meaning as Muhammad is Messenger.

                                  Peace

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                                    Mazhar
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                                    Salaam bender
                                    I think that we will not agree, as usual, on this point.

                                    2616 means that aaron is here as a messenger only for firaoun with a clear, precise and ponctual message
                                    We are messengers of the Lord of the worlds + 'So send with us the Children of Israel'"

                                    So aaron is not a messenger in the same meaning as Muhammad is Messenger.

                                    Peace

                                    Salamun alaikum,

                                    May be this helps to accept him as an Elevated Messenger of Allah the Exalted

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                                      Bender
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                                      Salaam bender
                                      I think that we will not agree, as usual, on this point.

                                      2616 means that aaron is here as a messenger only for firaoun with a clear, precise and ponctual message
                                      We are messengers of the Lord of the worlds + 'So send with us the Children of Israel'"

                                      So aaron is not a messenger in the same meaning as Muhammad is Messenger.

                                      Peace

                                      Salaam noshirk,

                                      RED What do you mean with this? I don't remember that we disagreed on something, but I have a bad memory.

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                                        noshirk
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                                        Salaam noshirk,

                                        RED What do you mean with this? I don't remember that we disagreed on something, but I have a bad memory.

                                        We have already discussed this point on another thread. (http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9603376.20)

                                        Peace

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                                          noshirk
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                                          Salamun alaikum,

                                          May be this helps to accept him as an Elevated Messenger of Allah the Exalted

                                          Salaam

                                          Why are we considering nabi and rassool as ranks ? What is the rank of a warner (nadhir) ? of a Moudhakkir (reminder) ?
                                          Rassool means simply one having a message/specific task (in this case from god) and Nabi means simply one informed (in this cas directly by God)

                                          Peace

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