3 Prayers makes more sense than 5.
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Peace Noon Waalkalami.
Because the" proof?" in sura 2 gives you 1 and only one way( 24434) 2+4+4+3+4= 17.
Go back and check!.
I am sorry I cannot give you any credit for finding all the combinations of single digits that add up to 17.
Peace.
Peace good logic,
What you call "proof" is absurdly ridiculous to anyone with elementary math.
This is extremely naive simpleton playing with numbers or basic numerology ...
Chapter 2 proves there are 5 daily contact prayers
Chapter 2 is the 1st initial chapter
Chapter 2 has 286 verses
1286
1+2+8+6 = 17 There are 17 units/Rakaats in a day1286 x 19 = 24434
2 4 4 3 4 are units of prayers in a day
2+4+4+3+4 = 17Let me make clear; when those infatuated with number post stuff like the above and say they are believers in the book; it is really embarrassing and in the same category of ignorance that one sees throughout the world like the cattle worshipers in India or Sunni/Shia fanatics ready to take a bullet in the head over a cartoon.
The main reason you are too lazy to learn simple math combinations and consistently fixated with all things 19 which has conditioned your mind, your thoughts, an obsession -- subliminal idolization!
You are not aware and the cure is to purposely do the opposite every time you see 19 which gives you a quick buzz and instead of being drawn/allured to 19 you need to consciously decide to deny, avoid, reject, and know it's a fixation/fitna and block it from your thoughts, rid your mind, free yourself ...
You will remember this post each time you see 19
You will remember this post each time you see 19
You will remember this post each time you see 19Peace
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Peace Noon Waalkalami.
First I forgive you. I ask the Lord to give us both more patience so we can discuss and stay "friends" even if we disagree.
Second you are jumping to conclusions. Just because I posted some numbers and asked all to discuss?
You do not like numbers do you? especially 19?
I have no problem discussing anything as long as I use reason and good manners.Try and relax and enjoy the conversations.Third I am only concerned about whether my creator approves of what I do. I respect everyone including yourself.
Finally whenever a bad thought/idea enters my head I remember GOD, not numbers or 19 like you are suggesting.
May the Lord guide us both to His truth.
Peace brother.
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Peace Steven,
Because you cannot offer the five prayers does not nullify them.
I have trouble myself making the five, but I consider them as opportunities
rather than a problem.Therefore, be patient in the face of their utterances, and praise and glorify your Lord before sunrise (1)and before sunset(2). And during the night (3)glorify Him, as well at both (4)(5)ends of the day, that you may be happy.
four of the daily salat can easily fit into this ayat (sun's decline till the darkness of the night
Zhuhr,Asr,Maghrib,Isha)Plus Farj
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Aqimi alssalata lidulooki alshshamsi ila ghasaqi allayli waqur-ana alfajri inna qur-ana alfajri kana mashhoodan
YUSUFALI Establish regular prayers at the sun's decline till the darkness of the night(4 salats), and the morning prayer(5)and reading for the prayer and reading in the morning carry their testimony. parenthesis are mineSHAKIR Attend constantly to prayers and to the middle prayer and stand up truly obedient to Allah
The middle prayer would be asr since it is the third prayer of the day
Also the prayers do not have to be named in the Quran because rituals that come to us
from the distant past intact like the positions of salat, the five prayers, and the khutbah
tells us they are correct and do not need to be revealed again.Peace O0
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I have a small question about the prayer times. Today my devout Sunni colleague was very upset as she was unable to do her noon prayer at the "exact" time as she normally does. I suggested she could still do it as it was not yet time for the afternoon prayer. She did not understand what I was saying and repeated I have missed it. I prefer to do my noon prayer when I get home from work around 2pm as there is only a Sunni place at work for prayers. Her comment made me wonder if I too am "missing" my prayers by doing them during the the time period before the next one is due. I read in Quran somewhere that we should hasten to do our prayers and that there is a correct time for prayers. Now I am wondering what are the main points of discussion supporting a time period as opposed to an exact time?
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Peace good logic,
We are discussing and since you posted this...
Why 17? Why 2 + 4 + 4 + 3 + 4= 17 not any of these?
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9+5+1+1+1 =17rotfl
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Peace all.
Please reflect and read all the points. Who can use Qoran alone evidence and say clearly that it is
2 salat, or 3 salat or 5 salat or... a day or no salat etc...
Many are still asking the following questions
Is there a salat as a ritual?
Is there a minimum number per day then it is up to us?
Is there a certain number per day, no more ,no less?
Is there a Congregational salat on Friday? is it obligatory?
Are the timings of the daily salat flexible? How flexible? is there a range of time? what defines it?
Have they all been named ?
Is it up to us? Is there a common way? how and why?
And so on....
Is the discussion ongoing?
This is an opportunity for those who think they can close this discussion?
Peace.
So wusta prayer is not part of the contact prayers?
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Peace Ayisha.
Sorry for the little delay I was finishing my prayer.
Go ahead sister add that question to the list.Welcome back to the forum.
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Peace Ayisha.
Sorry for the little delay I was finishing my prayer.
Go ahead sister add that question to the list.Welcome back to the forum.
Peace.Peace and thank you for the welcome back. peace
I have 3 children, let's say 1 is called 'a kid', 2 are called 'kids' and 3 or more are called 'salawat'. Their names are Fred, Joe and John. You are taking the salawat (all 3 of them) out to the park but lil Joe is one that loves to do a runner... So I say 'look after the salawat (meaning all 3 kids) and especially the middle one.............the middle one is Joe and he is included in the 3 but because I say and especially the middle one doesn't mean it's an addition to the 3 kids (salawat) but that there are extra instructions to do with one of the 3.......
If that makes sense. peace
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Peace wasi.
Prove what? Read the posts properly and hopefully you will see that this discussion has been going on for a good few years. It depends what proof you require?
Join the discussion , you are welcome!
Peace.
salaam good logic
where do you find rakat in the quran ?.
i have not seen any rakat from quran
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Peace Ayisha,
confused on this, sun's decline till the darkness of the night is the time from mahgrib to eisha so where does that make 4 salat?
-\The sun begins its decline after high noon (Zhuhr) then moves thru the middle afternoon (Asr)
then sets (maghrib) until the darkness (Isha)What do you think of 20130 is it 5 salat?
Therefore, be patient in the face of their utterances, and praise and glorify your Lord before sunrise (1)and before sunset(2). And during the night (3)glorify Him, as well at both (4)(5)ends of the day, that you may be happy.
Peace O0
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Peace Ayisha,
The sun begins its decline after high noon (Zhuhr) then moves thru the middle afternoon (Asr)
then sets (maghrib) until the darkness (Isha)What do you think of 20130 is it 5 salat?
Therefore, be patient in the face of their utterances, and praise and glorify your Lord before sunrise (1)and before sunset(2). And during the night (3)glorify Him, as well at both (4)(5)ends of the day, that you may be happy.
Peace O0
Salaam brother,
Please read what Ayisha wrote TILL, Arabic word is ILA used for that.
BTW, 20130 is not at all about Salaat.
May Allah increase us in knowledge and guide us to His true path pr
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Peace mmkhan,
Please explain what verse 20130 is about.
Expand on "Please read what Ayisha wrote TILL, Arabic word is ILA used for that"
Peace O0
Peace brother Hawk99,
20130
20130 So be patient over what they say and routine with praise of your Lord before the rising of the sun and before its setting; and during periods of the night routine and at the ends of the day, that you may be satisfied.There is not word Salaat mentioned in 20130, so it is not referring to Salaat at all.
1778
1778 Straighten alSalaat at the sinking of the sun until the darkness of the night and reading of the dawn. Indeed, reading of dawn is ever witnessed.As per your understanding a single alSalaat has to be straighten from noon TILL darkness of the night. And ila means till, you can check in 56.
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56 O you who have believed, when you rise to prayer, wash your faces and your forearms TILL the elbows and wipe over your heads and wash your feet to the ankles. And if you are in a state of janabah, then purify yourselves. But if you are ill or on a journey or one of you comes from the place of relieving himself or you have contacted women and do not find water, then seek clean earth and wipe over your faces and hands with it. Allah does not intend to make difficulty for you, but He intends to purify you and complete His favor upon you that you may be grateful.Hope this may help you inshaAllah.
May Allah increase us in knowledge and guide us to His true path pr
mmKhan -
Peace Ayisha,
The sun begins its decline after high noon (Zhuhr) then moves thru the middle afternoon (Asr)
then sets (maghrib) until the darkness (Isha)What do you think of 20130 is it 5 salat?
Therefore, be patient in the face of their utterances, and praise and glorify your Lord before sunrise (1)and before sunset(2). And during the night (3)glorify Him, as well at both (4)(5)ends of the day, that you may be happy.
Peace O0
even if you did take that as prayer time I would still say that before sunrise and before sunset are the same as both ends of the day. Both ends of the day prayers to me would be Fajr and Maghrib. I agree with mmkhan though, that is not about prayer (salat) it's about praise, the idea being have constant praise of God in all you do all the time. Alhamdulillah.
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Peace wasi.
Add your question to my list of questions that need clarifying from Qoran.
Peace.
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Salaam Steven,
Salaats are not named but they are written on time. I am copying what I wrote on other threads.
I posted in another place
Please click here to see about AlSalaat AlWusta, inshaAllah.
Hope this may help you inshaAllah.
May Allah increase us in knowledge and guide us to His true path pr
mmKhanOkay...you have got me to thinking now... hmm
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Okay...you have got me to thinking now... hmm
Salaam Amina,
Allah Book is very clean and detailed. Many things can be understood by the patterns and designs set in aayaats without actually knowing Arabic grammar. This is how AlQuraan guides mankind 2185. But you should at least know how to read AlQuraan )
May Allah increase us in knowledge and guide us to His true path pr
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I do supprt the 3 salat theory fully. Watch my video if you haven't
How to do salat from the Quran alone (video)
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6iL9EhBnsI&feature=plcpPart 4 How many Daily salats are there?
Support #1) Only 3 names of Salat are Cited In the Quran
We find that there are only 3 Names of Salats in the Quran, (i.e Al-Fajr, Al-Esha, Al-Wusta 2458 & 223. This means that there has to be only 3 Salats. This is because the Quran states that it is not missing anything (63, and so, if there is 3 Names of Salats mentioned, then logically, there has to only be 3 daily Salats.Support #2) 3 timings of prayer are cited in the previous scriptures
We find that there are also 3 times of prayer in the previous scripturesOld Testament 3 Times of prayer
- ?Evening and morning and at noon I utter my complaint and moan, and he will hear my voice?
(Psalm 5517 RSV)
?Evening, and morning, and at noon, will I pray,.... These being the stated times of prayer with the Jews, and which continued to later ages, Daniel 610. These times, they say (b), were fixed by Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob the morning prayer by Abraham, according to Genesis 223, the prayer of the "minchah" by Isaac, according to Genesis 2463; and the evening prayer by Jacob, according to Genesis 2811? (Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible)
Note, Psalm 5517 gives us three time periods of prayer which are in direct line with the Quranic 3 time period of salat.
?Evening and morning and at noon I utter my complaint and moan, and he will hear my voice? (Psalm 5517 RSV)Salat Al-Esha (245 = Evening time
Salat Al-Fajr (245 = Dawn time
Salat Al-Wusta (2458 & 223 = Daylight time.- ?When Daniel knew that the document had been signed, he went to his house where he had windows in his upper chamber open toward Jerusalem; and he got down upon his knees three times a day and prayed and gave thanks before his God, as he had done previously." (Daniel 610 RSV)
Note The Aramaic word used for the word ?prayed? is (Tsela or ה . This would make it a direct cognate of the Arabic verb "prayed" (Sala or )
http//new.studylight.org/lex/heb/hwview.cgi?n=6739
http//www.biblestudytools.com/lexicons/hebrew/nas/tsela-aramaic.html )New Testament
Moreover, the New Testament's also cite 3 timings for prayer
3rd hour (Acts 21)
6th hour (Acts 109)
9th hour (Acts 31)
Note The hour system was based on a 12 hour day/night complex. The first hour/morning began around 6 a.m., and the day ended around 6 p.m.Clarke's Commentary on the Bible writes, ?It appears that there were three hours of the day destined by the Jews to public prayer; perhaps they are referred to by David, Psalm 5517 Evening and Morning, and at Noon, will I pray and cry aloud. ?There are three distinct times marked in the book of the Acts. The Third hour, Acts 215, answering, as we have already seen, to nearly our nine o'clock in the morning; the Sixth hour, Acts 109, answering to about twelve with us; and the Ninth hour, mentioned in this verse, and answering to our three in the afternoon?
?It was also customary in the early Christian church to offer prayer at the third, sixth, and ninth hours (Clem. Alex. as quoted by Doddridge)? (Barnes' Notes on the Bible)
Support #3) Jews and Shia Muslims still Observe 3 timings of prayer
Jews today still have 3 daily prayer services, the Hebrew Tfillah Amidah (standing prayer)In Psalm 5517, ?Evening, and morning, and at noon, will I pray,.... These being the stated times of prayer with the Jews, and which continued to later ages, Daniel 610. These times, they say (b), were fixed by Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob the morning prayer by Abraham, according to Genesis 223, the prayer of the "minchah" by Isaac, according to Genesis 2463; and the evening prayer by Jacob, according to Genesis 2811? (Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible)
Support #4) Hadiths cite doing salat at 3 times per day
Even Hadiths cite doing salat at 3 times per day
Sahih Muslim, Book 4, #1515, #1516, #1520, #1523-Shia Muslims accept this very same tradition, that the Prophet Muhammed used to combine his salat into daily 3 timings, for the sake of convenience.
Note If the purpose of salat is to remember/contact God (2014), then in reality, those Muslims who combine their salats into 3 timings would really be doing salat 3 times daily, just spending extra time in doing more cycles of standing/bowing/prostrating (rak'at).
Muslim, Book 4, Number 1515
?Ibn 'Abbas reported The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) observed the noon and afternoon prayers together, and the sunset and Isha' prayers together without being in a state of fear or in a state of journey.?Muslim, Book 4, Number 1516
?Ibn 'Abbas reported The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) observed the noon and afternoon prayers together in Medina without being in a state of fear or in a state of journey. (Abu Zubair said I asked Sa'id why he did that. He said I asked Ibn 'Abbas as you have asked me, and he replied that he wanted that no one among his Ummah should be put to hardship.)? - ?Evening and morning and at noon I utter my complaint and moan, and he will hear my voice?
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peace all,
I haven't read all the thread.
Arabic "ila" primarily means "to" and implies motion, as per my understanding. The Arabic word "hatta" means "until".
In terms of the "3 salat daily" theory. Everyone is entitled to their own view, that is not an issue, however I have personally never seen anyone answer the questions/objections that have been discussed at length on this forum. I repeat, I have never seen anyone address them all.
The compilation thread is useful http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9598319.0
