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Have you listened the recitation of Straightline Wind?

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    Mazhar
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    Thanks for sharing,
    again, Innovative/striking understanding hmm

    Thanks.

    Arabic words are illustrative. They verbally mirror the image of actions and states in such manner that its complete picture and visuals become conveniently perceivable.
    We only need to keep our own thoughts, wishes, preconceived notions aside while reading the text of Qur'aan. It will become easy to understand and find it absolutely a ground reality.

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      good_logic
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      Peace Mazhar.

      Check this out
      371
      The arrangers in columns.

      372
      The blamers of those to be blamed.

      373
      The reciters of the message.

      374
      Your god is only one.

      God explains who the arrangers are later on in the Sura
      37164
      Each one of us has a specific job.

      37165
      We are the arrangers.

      37166
      We have duly glorified (our Lord).

      Brother Mazhar " Al ssafoon" ie " the arrangers" are the Angels.

      Peace.

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        Mazhar
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        Brother Mazhar " Al ssafoon" ie " the arrangers" are the Angels.

        Allah the Exalted has informed that the Non-Believers name the Angels with feminine words. The Active Participles are feminine.

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          good_logic
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          Peace Mazhar.

          You are the one claiming it is feminine.
          How about " no gender"?

          Remember it is Arabic " He or She" does not necessarily apply to gender.

          Peace.

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            Mazhar
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            Peace Mazhar.

            You are the one claiming it is feminine.
            How about " no gender"?

            Remember it is Arabic " He or She" does not necessarily apply to gender.

            Peace.

            Who claims that it is masculine? Please name one.

            Every noun in Arabic is either masculine or feminine.

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              good_logic
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              peace Mazhar.

              Humans are feminine or masculine . That is gender.
              What is not humans, has no gender.

              Peace.

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                Mazhar
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                peace Mazhar.

                Humans are feminine or masculine . That is gender.
                What is not humans, has no gender.

                Peace.

                In Arabic every noun has a gender, living and non living both. Even adjectives.

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                  Ayisha
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                  Who claims that it is masculine? Please name one.

                  Every noun in Arabic is either masculine or feminine.

                  Yes, but sometimes they refer to the 3rd 'gender' as in English 'it'

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                    Mazhar
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                    Yes, but sometimes they refer to the 3rd 'gender' as in English 'it'

                    Salamun alaiki,

                    In Arabic there is no third gender. Please, can you quote one example where someone refers to third gender in Arabic?

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                      Ayisha
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                      Salamun alaiki,

                      In Arabic there is no third gender. Please, can you quote one example where someone refers to third gender in Arabic?

                      Over it are Nineteen.

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                        Ayisha
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                        What gender is Allah?

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                          Mazhar
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                          Over it are Nineteen.

                          It is RK's English, not Arabic of Qur'aan.

                          http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/074.%20Al%20Mudathir/74.30a.gif
                          Nineteen males-Angels are appointed for guarding upon her-Scorching Hell-Prison.
                          "Ha" is a third person, singular, feminine pronoun referring to a known feminine object.

                          See how he translates the same pepositional phrase with "Ha" pronoun at another place

                          Had Rashad Khalifa been honest

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                            Mazhar
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                            What gender is Allah?

                            It is always used in masculine construction.

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                              Ayisha
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                              It is RK's English, not Arabic of Qur'aan.

                              Excuse me?

                              RK translation is 'Over it is nineteen.' that is not what I wrote.

                              I do NOT use RK translation.

                              http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/074.%20Al%20Mudathir/74.30a.gif
                              Nineteen males-Angels are appointed for guarding upon her-Scorching Hell-Prison.
                              "Ha" is a third person, singular, feminine pronoun referring to a known feminine object.

                              Well at least we agree on something, the 'it' is not Quran or the basmallah but hell. handshake

                              peace

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                                Ayisha
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                                It is always used in masculine construction.

                                So how come I've always been told Allah has no gender?

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                                  Mazhar
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                                  So how come I've always been told Allah has no gender?

                                  Gender in the sense of sex is not attributed to Allah the Exalted. This is what you were always told. When we hear about male pin and female pin we do not perceive that they have anything sex related. Gender is related to matter and life created from matter. Not to the One-the Only Who is not matter or from matter but the Creator of matter and life from matter.

                                  He the Exalted Himself has said that He has no feminine counterpart-companion. Therefore, He the Exalted is always mentioned in mansculine constructions and pronoun.

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                                    Mazhar
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                                    Excuse me?

                                    RK translation is 'Over it is nineteen.' that is not what I wrote.

                                    I do NOT use RK translation.

                                    Well at least we agree on something, the 'it' is not Quran or the basmallah but hell. handshake

                                    peace

                                    Sorry, I just saw highlighted "it" and missing "are". I hope you have gone through the link. A pronoun is used to avoid repeating noun that is already mentioned. Manipulators ignore simple rules of grammar of languages. Qur'aan is masculine, how "ha" could refer to it?

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                                      Sorry, I just saw highlighted "it" and missing "are". I hope you have gone through the link. A pronoun is used to avoid repeating noun that is already mentioned. Manipulators ignore simple rules of grammar of languages. Qur'aan is masculine, how "ha" could refer to it?

                                      Totally agree and think I said the same somewhere way back but it was my 'English' grammar that I used on the 'translation', not by the Arabic so was questioning how in Arabic an 'it' would be referred to as in a 3rd 'gender' like in English, but you're saying this is referring to an 'it' that's feminine.

                                      I think I get it hypno

                                      peace

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                                        Mazhar
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                                        Totally agree and think I said the same somewhere way back but it was my 'English' grammar that I used on the 'translation', not by the Arabic so was questioning how in Arabic an 'it' would be referred to as in a 3rd 'gender' like in English, but you're saying this is referring to an 'it' that's feminine.

                                        I think I get it hypno

                                        peace

                                        Thanks, one of the major lapses in translations of Qur'aan, whatever might be the target language, is overlooking the gender of nouns, pronouns and verb. One such glaring example is that all translations of 37 are incorrect, and thereby all stories and assertions made about it are erroneous. This happened by just ignoring the masculine subject of a verb and a masculine pronoun which refers to Qur'aan and not to Ayaat Mutashabihaat.

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                                          good_logic
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                                          37

                                          Why is there " Multiple meanings and allegorical verses"?

                                          How does one understand it?

                                          The answer is in the verse itself
                                          " None knows its true meaning except God and those well founded in knowledge"

                                          In other words it is God who explains it ( To those who are sincerely seeking knowledge from its true source and have no " other motives" except to redeem themselves- seek the true path of the Creator-)

                                          The verse goes on to say" Only those who possess intelligence will take heed".
                                          May the Lord grant /give His knowledge to all those who seek Him Alone.

                                          Peace.

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