Masturbation and Fasting
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I do not think that the aya brother Youssef quoted includes self, at least I wouldn't be sure. There are things which the Qur'an does not specifically touch. Should we extend other injunctions to cover that?
My take is that where nothing specific is there, we are left to best of our intentions and devices and that we should use that space to strive to improve our self analysis, motivation and judgement.
Certain type of christianism has made such a mountain fo sexual aspects that nowadays Muslims seem anxious to copy and reproduce as it it was the peak of virtue. Sex must be sincere and responsible but has it got to be tragic?
We also tend to think that our own personal feelings or impressions are valid for everybody else, universal. That is a risk. People are different and we cannot impose on others somethign because to us it seems self-evident.
We come back to the ayas of Qur'an which says who guard their private parts. Has one to interpret that one guards them from oneself? I do not think so. I think though that one must use judgement in its use. To me the limits it refers to are the persons from whom they must be guarded. From oneself is oneself, it is not two persons. The limit is set on the person with whom we can rightfully unguard. Does it make sense that we may not guard from the consort, but should guard from ourselves? This conclusion reminds me of the hadith where it is said that the wife MUST always be ready for HIM no matter what. There is a consideration to be had with the consort and I guess there is a consideration that must be had with ourselves too.
Salaam
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Salam all
Oh God, I can't believe I am actually partaking in this thread, but
in contrast to the woman -usually- who is also satisfied with tenderness and parental care, even without sexual contact.
Are you sure you don't want to review the above statement?
i was sure, that nobody will leave this above statement ;D -- Sister Huruf gives the answer
We also tend to think that our own personal feelings or impressions are valid for everybody else, universal. That is a risk. People are different and we cannot impose on others somethign because to us it seems self-evident.
We come back to the ayas of Qur'an which says who guard their private parts. Has one to interpret that one guards them from oneself? I do not think so. I think though that one must use judgement in its use. To me the limits it refers to are the persons from whom they must be guarded. From oneself is oneself, it is not two persons
peace peace
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We also tend to think that our own personal feelings or impressions are valid for everybody else, universal. That is a risk. People are different and we cannot impose on others somethign because to us it seems self-evident.
Funny that, yet you did the same. It's a very archaic view that women are "satisfied" with just a few kind words, a stroke of the hair and "a licence to breed". Scintillation of flesh not required! If this were true, the majority of the women I know personally and know of would not own certain sexual devices (how I regret coming here and ever contributing to this thread! Forgive me, God! pr ) and the industry would not be booming as much as it is. Although, of course, there are men who are also serviced by that same industry.
Salaam.
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We also tend to think that our own personal feelings or impressions are valid for everybody else, universal. That is a risk. People are different and we cannot impose on others somethign because to us it seems self-evident.
Funny that, yet you did the same. It's a very archaic view that women are "satisfied" with just a few kind words, a stroke of the hair and "a licence to breed". Scintillation of flesh not required! If this were true, the majority of the women I know personally and know of would not own certain sexual devices (how I regret coming here and ever contributing to this thread! Forgive me, God! pr ) and the industry would not be booming as much as it is. Although, of course, there are men who are also serviced by that same industry.
Salaam.
Salaam, es
I wrote the paragraph youhave highlighted. But to what are you referring when you say that I do that very thing?
Salaam
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I do not think that the aya brother Youssef quoted includes self, at least I wouldn't be sure. There are things which the Qur'an does not specifically touch. Should we extend other injunctions to cover that?
We come back to the ayas of Qur'an which says who guard their private parts. Has one to interpret that one guards them from oneself? I do not think so. I think though that one must use judgement in its use. To me the limits it refers to are the persons from whom they must be guarded. From oneself is oneself, it is not two persons. The limit is set on the person with whom we can rightfully unguard.
Salaamwatching Pornography isn't bringing another person in, however, it is still a sin.
My view and from personal experience, Masturbation is a sin. temptwhat's the point of getting a spouse, if you can do it by yourself?
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watching Pornography isn't bringing another person in, however, it is still a sin.
My view and from personal experience, Masturbation is a sin. temptwhat's the point of getting a spouse, if you can do it by yourself?
I surely wouldn't get a wife, a husband might be.
But your comment
But your coment, "what's the point of getting a spouse, if you can do it by yourself?" leaves me ashtounded, KO. So you would get a wife so you wouldn't masturbate? Leaves me dumbfounded. I would never get a husband so I wouldn't masturbate, and to say that to a man would be about the bluntest insult I could profer.
It is not the same. It is like having a conversation with a husbando or great companion and talking to oneself. Two different things, nothing to do the one with the other.
As to pornography, no I do not agree that it is the same as masturbation since you do not involve other persons. That you do not involve other persons I doubt it. Those who make the pornographic films, or the drawings or the photos or whatever, are involved.
Salaam
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Mind you these days, one probably can.
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To Huruf, my view is that Sexual relations of any kind should be reserved with teh spouse.
what's the point of getting a spouse, if you can do it by yourself?
Youssef, you can't have babies by yourself though, can you? Or can you? Mind you these days, one probably can.I was supporting the point of having a spouse.
and to think of it, yes, asexual reproductions happen all the time in the Animal kingdom...
Example if you're a female komodo Dragon, you need no spouse...
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"Fallen Angel", what are you confused about/ questioning/ querying?
I am confused regarding your saying that one can have babies by himself/herself, never heard of it before
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watching Pornography isn't bringing another person in, however, it is still a sin.
My view and from personal experience, Masturbation is a sin. temptwhat's the point of getting a spouse, if you can do it by yourself?
Salam bro.
Your statement is similar to Sunni muslims who insist muslims should marry early on in order to avoid mingling with the opposite sex. Its quite absurd.
You do realise that some people have no desire to marry or don't want the burden of a family, should these people avoid masturbation for life? Or what about a woman who is pregnant or on her period where she might feel uncomfortable having intercourse. Whats your solution, force ourselves to wait a few weeks, for some action? ) Or even worse, when a couple have arguments, perhaps break up and live separately. You might be out of action for a year or two, maybe more if you're unlucky. )
Rigid thinking such as this is rife in Sectarian Islam, Catholicism, Orthodox Judaism etc. You would expect a Sunni scholar to advise you to get married in order to avoid masturbation - as if thats a logical thing do do.
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Please refer back to the original. It closely resembles
Youssef, you can't have babies by yourself though.......
Salaam.
It does not matter about having babies. Homosexual acts will not produce babies, however they are not ok.
My Understanding is that ANY sexual acts should be reserved with the spouse period
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Salam sister
If you could be so kind to explain?
I was laughing at your metaphors of masturbation. Sorry about that p. I thought that would be obvious. Anyways thanks for the laugh p.