Why I left so called "islam"....
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If you have read my other posts i also said that you'll notice that 50/100 years ago, your group and your beliefs didnt exist.
But my statement is still correct, ALL of your beliefs never existed even during the time of rashad khalifa. They just appeared now.
There is no conclusive evidence there was no one who did not follow Qur'an alone. Infact, the very proof is in the Qur'an that Prophet Mohammad followed GODs commands alone and not his own injunctions...
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Tell me how do you do that, since the quran is 'fully detailed'?
Does anyone else feel sick with the hypocrisy? shock What he means is he deos not believe the Qur'an is complete, hence what he is saying is he disbelieves in GOD revelation, he rejects. Is it possible to come to any other conclusion?
Zoroastrians did not pray like the muslims. Besides that, there are many similarities between Islam and zoroastrianism. Even without the hadith. The same counts when you compare islam with Judaism and Christianity.
A hypocrite would expose himself in his next breath, they did not pray like muslims conclusively, and note he is a sunni and he tells the "truth" and in the next breath there are similarities with zoroastrianism.
Hence what he is saying is that he can not prove that zoros did not pray like muslims but he just confirmed the similarities. And remarkably he sites Christianity and Judaism, forgetting the fact that many concepts have been corrupted by Christians and Jews in Islam...Similarities he seems to advocate seem to represent the truth whereas he never considered it as a proof of dilution of original islam....
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Hadith a Re-Evaluation by Kassim Ahmad
http//free-minds.org/books/kassim8.htmpz
Dear brother,
We are not talking about criticism of the hadith. It even existed during the time of caliph Abu bakr. There is nothing new about that.
The point is your BELIEFS. The fundamentals of your group never existed. Its an entire new group that NEVER appeared. The fact that the people on this site are still developing their strange opinions about islam shows that it never existed.
The fundamentals of Quran never existed? Thats what is being discussing here!
If there is something strange in religion, they are the hadiths and sunnah of Bukhary and company. Utterly strange/ weird.
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salam
the heritage of bukhari menas alot becasue if u look at the religion of iranians before islam and see the similarities that are in existence in todays hadeth from him it almost mirrors zoroastrians religion which was irans religion before islam so i dont see how something from god would be copied from zoroastrians which were fire worshippers makes uthink was his ahdeeth infulenced from his beleif that he was raised with or perhaps his former beleif or contires beelifs infleunced him as to which hadeths to accept or reject
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salam
hi there is a thread on this site i dont know if you have read it
here it is i will look for other articles inshalalh
http//www.free-minds.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1799
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salam alaykum
i did a search and found this
also
http//www.zoroastrianism.cc/discussions_8.html
salam
ps here is how i searche dit u may find more but i have not read all of them that came up on the search engine
http//www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&q=zoroastrianism+influence+on+islam&spell=1
ok hope that helps inshalalh
amanda
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Salam Amanda,
Thanks for sharing your story with us.
I have read the whole thread. one thing Ansar and other sunni keep bringing it is the question of hadith validation. We are ALL agree the Hadith opposition existed long in history since prophet Muhammad (pbuh) death. Sects came into being because of using those hadith as SOURCE OF GUIDANCE and FOLLOW THEM BLINDLY. Now This issue is not new. As famous thinker Allama Gulam Ahmed Pervaiz did a research on Hadith and sect issues. I strongly encourage you check following website.
http//www.tolueislam.com/Parwez/BA_Parwez.htm
After conducting his reasearch on Quran and Hadith Books, he came to a conclusion that Hadith books cannot be used as source of guidance. The point is this movement of Quran/GOD ALONE is not NEW as claim by some. Think about it Hadith books that sunnis follow came into being about 200 or 250 years after Prohet death and during those years Islam is considered to have a golden Age. Transformation from Golden Age to Dark age begin to start as soon as people were forced to take Hadith as a source of Guidance. I just still don't understand How come sunni/Hadith Advoacte cannot see this?
Now Once we eliminate Hadiths as a source of guidance, we have to solely depend on ONLY ONE SOUCE which is QURAN. I beleive if we all sinceraly follow the Allah Guidance through Quran, there will be no sect and whole world will be muslim because only Quranic principles can make our life perfect in this life and hereafter.
I would say Let's Muslimize World.
May Allah Give us true guidance.
Best Regards
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Assalam Alaikoum everyone amanda your story sounds so familiar i also met some strange people along the way and have all but lost my islam at this point but there is something that makes me struggle on and was doing a search and found this amazing site i also feared the jinn in the toilet at one point and many other strange things but when a sister told me that losing my job and being put on the street was the will of Allah (swt) i just couldnt cop that yeh im sure it was part of gods plan but to have it said to you like that and to say fear Allah ive always been closer to things i loved and this is also true of god when i began to fear more than i loved i lost that amazing spiritual feeling i had with god and huge love and turned into something sinister and ugly anyways this site has given some spark even at 3am looking forward to seeing more of everyone take care all
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..... ive always been closer to things i loved and this is also true of god when i began to fear more than i loved i lost that amazing spiritual feeling i had with god and huge love and turned into something sinister and ugly anyways this site has given some spark even at 3am looking forward to seeing more of everyone take care all
Salaam jas68
welcome to the forum - may Allah bless and guide us all - we are all so in need of his unending Mercy.
peace
asdfjk
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salam
hi this is amanda i wanted to thank you all for reading my thread and for your responses as well
i have truly been blessed i feel for having all of you and for finally finding the truth
when i first came to islam and then i elft because of obvious reasons i could not truly go back to christianity becasue i deep down had a feeling it was wrong it just didnt feel right to ehar people praying to jesus
and even now i truly vould not go back to ritualism and meaningless conformity after i know the truth i just cant possibly find any logic in the sunnis or shias or any other sect of islam's mentalityi found no logic in needed jesus for my salvation if god made jesus
so i find no logic in needing muhammad or hadeeths or imams since god made these menGod doesnt need us...we need him
i find no logic in denying god's words that his book is complete
when iu was a "fake" muslim (lol)
i could talk all day with christinas about the trinity but they could talk in circles all day i still knew deep in my heart that god is one he didnt not need jesus to die for our slavation and god doesnt need "scholars" to explain or guide or prohibit things or clarify themif they say muhammad was illerate and he still managed to understand Gods words and message that was given to him why do we need any other person muhammad needed no one but god and none of the prophets needed anyone but god to explain his words or laws or ways so why do we as human beings need other than god like imamms or shekihs or whatever just becasue people were prophets does that mean they were some how different than us no i dont think so i think they were just lucky and recieved a message or book and made the right choice
i love god and try my best to become better as much as i can
i ask god to increase my knowledge and allow for as many souls to know the truth as god wills inshalalhmay god bless all the submitters inshallah
humbly yours
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Salaam Amanda,
salam
the heritage of bukhari menas alot becasue if u look at the religion of iranians before islam and see the similarities that are in existence in todays hadeth from him it almost mirrors zoroastrians religion which was irans religion before islam so i dont see how something from god would be copied from zoroastrians which were fire worshippers makes uthink was his ahdeeth infulenced from his beleif that he was raised with or perhaps his former beleif or contires beelifs infleunced him as to which hadeths to accept or reject
I have surfed the Internet but failed to find any connection between "Islamic" rituals that can be found in Bukhari and Zoroastrianism let alone similarities. Can you give me some examples from your own experience and also direct me to a site that speaks about such comparison in detail?
Thank you!
Taj
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Taj ! Blind as a BAT!
Look at the zoroostrian salaat in the Salaat section.
and see the connection.
Thanks.And Salaams.
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Salaams taj,
so i have broken the forum rules ,apparently you havn't?Then in future i think i will call you non muslim ,shall i ,so then i won't be breaking the rules like you think you havn't!!!
i think you prefer that, okay.
Thanks.
Bye.
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Salaam Marie,
I haven't spoken any insult to mz357 so please don't include me with him. What I would really love to see is your personal view on what mz357 is doing with the Arabic and the words of the Quran on his thread Jesus , had a father ?What do you think?
http//www.free-minds.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2930
Can you go there and check it, please? Thank you!Taj
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Salaam Taj
Now I can say that you cannot possibly be a Muslim
if what is underlined is not a personnal remark, then my apologies roll
Please avoid to judge each other, Otherwise, there is none to blame but yourself when you receive a harsh answer.
All what we can do to sahre our understanding, knowledge, to correct each other in the best manner.
Thanks