From sunnah hero to sunnah zero
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Shalom Aleikhem Sunnah-Hero,
I am glad that you took the time to verify and study the topic yourself and come to your conclusion. I am happy that you did not take my word for it. I admire and envy your boldness and honesty about your past, what they brainwashed you into doing, dawah tactics ,etc.
I used to be a huge fan of Deedat and Naik. I still am, and I need not agree with all of their views for that. I would advice you not to use derogatory things to address them. That sounds like an Adhominem Attack. He could look like a decaying dead animal and still be more right than you, in other words, his arguments rise/fall on their own merits and independent of his looks. ) Here is a video of him explaining who to follow , shia or sunnis (Click). And here is my observation on that
Salam,
Its sad how in the video you can watch live injection of falsehood into Allah's mouth ( metaphorical mouth that is!! ).
"Hold to the rope of Allah strongly and be not divided"
Explanaton via injection of falsehood
"Hold to the rope of Allah >Dand Bukhari/Muslim/etc >D and be not divided"
I am sick and tired of explaining to his followers that when Qur'an agrees with me and disagrees with him, they are supposed to reject him and vote for the verse in the Qur'an. Really, is it so hard to understand ?
He got away with it !!! The guy that gives you 100s of references just to talk about water cycle in the Qur'an, this same guy did not bother to give you any reference or explanation as to why and how from "rope of Allah" we change it to "rope of Allah + the ropes offered by random Persian dudes".
I know this will be offtopic
Recently, I had a heated exchange with a sunni friend. I wasn't the hot one, it was the friend that could not control his anger. We discussed similar things that I discussed with you (Sunnah-Hero), you know, the science of hadith, obey the messenger, etc etc. He refused to answer or explain and simply ended the discussion saying something like "Well, I think its better that we stop the discussion here because I am losing my temper. If it was up to me and I had the power, I would make sure that people who shares your views be stopped by the state by force. You see, hmm.. I think, given enough time, we should be able to tell which one of us is on the right path. We will be able to see that in future (in our lifetime)"
I was shocked by this super kind, compassionate and nice friend's words. Those hate mongers managed to turn him into one of them. I asked if he would give me a reason why he would use state power to stop me, he refused to answer. (He knows that to answer that he has to refute the points I made about "science" of hadith, etc) I also asked him how in the world would he be able to judge between us in future ? I asked him about his criteria for judgement. He refused to answer, but I forced him to. Finally he said "Well, I think it shows". To which ofcourse I replied "What shows ?". His silence bares witness that he understood that he was using his subjective feelings to judge between right and wrong, not a clear criteria set by God.
There are many sunnis today, some of them knowingly and others ignorantly, promoting the introduction of SHARIAH in the western civilization. Thats something I stand against firmly for I am not willing to go back to the caves. It took a lot of hard work and thousands of years for us to achieve this height of civilization, I can not afford to trade this achievement for living like "ignorant and barbaric dessert Arabs".
May peace be with you
---------------------------- Student of Allah
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Salaam,
One of my very close friend is also Moroccan living in Holland, everything you said about them correctly fit him. He is also here on free-minds, I tried to tell him many times that don't simply laugh at something serious, but he don't understand. brickwall
I agree with you 100% about them ;D
May Allah bless you and fill your life with happiness and peace brother pr
mmKhanBut in a way its understandable, non-religious christians also laugh at jehovas witnesses and mormons. But I would wish that he helped me to look at my flaws instead of laughing at me.
Thank you for your kind words.
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Hey Wa2el since you've done dawah work, you can do Quran-alone dawah D
I do that. I pass out flyers to mostly non-muslims, and muslms, and stickers with websites etc.here is a version of my flyer that i personally pass out (To non-muslims) (i try-fold it, fold bottom till first paragraph, and then fold the top part that's left down = looks like an invitation)
https//docs.google.com/document/d/1hBQdP0E8jxzKSZkZivFEv_2zo-NABl2DaYQoU7Qqijs/editHere is a Flyer for Traditional muslims,https//docs.google.com/open?id=0BwFbhXgE0EorLUhwU0N2N3k3bjg
You can Watch me in my messenger work in austin Texas
Submission Messenger- Austin TX Episode #1http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_q9LwowVYY
Submission Messenger- Austin TX Episode #4http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdZhLtc65OM
Spreading God's Message of the Quranhttp//www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBu21Ui5peM
thank you for the links. I would go through them and come back to you. May God reward you for your affords.
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Salaam,
yes but I don't speak arabic I am berber.
Salaam,
BenderI see. I am Arab Marroccan. But born and raised in Spain.
Where in Marrocco are you from? I am from Tiznit, do you know that town?
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Shalom Aleikhem Sunnah-Hero,
I am glad that you took the time to verify and study the topic yourself and come to your conclusion. I am happy that you did not take my word for it. I admire and envy your boldness and honesty about your past, what they brainwashed you into doing, dawah tactics ,etc.
I used to be a huge fan of Deedat and Naik. I still am, and I need not agree with all of their views for that. I would advice you not to use derogatory things to address them. That sounds like an Adhominem Attack. He could look like a decaying dead animal and still be more right than you, in other words, his arguments rise/fall on their own merits and independent of his looks. Here is a video of him explaining who to follow , shia or sunnis (Click). And here is my observation on that
He got away with it !!! The guy that gives you 100s of references just to talk about water cycle in the Qur'an, this same guy did not bother to give you any reference or explanation as to why and how from "rope of Allah" we change it to "rope of Allah + the ropes offered by random Persian dudes".
I know this will be offtopic
Recently, I had a heated exchange with a sunni friend. I wasn't the hot one, it was the friend that could not control his anger. We discussed similar things that I discussed with you (Sunnah-Hero), you know, the science of hadith, obey the messenger, etc etc. He refused to answer or explain and simply ended the discussion saying something like "Well, I think its better that we stop the discussion here because I am losing my temper. If it was up to me and I had the power, I would make sure that people who shares your views be stopped by the state by force. You see, hmm.. I think, given enough time, we should be able to tell which one of us is on the right path. We will be able to see that in future (in our lifetime)"
I was shocked by this super kind, compassionate and nice friend's words. Those hate mongers managed to turn him into one of them. I asked if he would give me a reason why he would use state power to stop me, he refused to answer. (He knows that to answer that he has to refute the points I made about "science" of hadith, etc) I also asked him how in the world would he be able to judge between us in future ? I asked him about his criteria for judgement. He refused to answer, but I forced him to. Finally he said "Well, I think it shows". To which ofcourse I replied "What shows ?". His silence bares witness that he understood that he was using his subjective feelings to judge between right and wrong, not a clear criteria set by God.
May peace be with you
---------------------------- Student of Allah
Thank you for your kinds words. I didnt mentioned Deedat so why do you say 'them'?
I am not fan of Zakir, he lied and deceived me as well as thousand of others like me so why shall I be a fan of him or even respect him?
Are you a male or female?
I was like your friend or maybe worse. See, he could logically realize that you was right but due to his emotional attachment to sunnism he felt offended by you and would wish that he could keep you silent by power so that he wont be confronted with the fallacies of sunnism again. Most sunnis are sunnis do to feelings, not logic.
There are many sunnis today, some of them knowingly and others ignorantly, promoting the introduction of SHARIAH in the western civilization. Thats something I stand against firmly for I am not willing to go back to the caves. It took a lot of hard work and thousands of years for us to achieve this height of civilization, I can not afford to trade this achievement for living like "ignorant and barbaric dessert Arabs".
indeed you just told the truth. I think we non-suni muslims have a respnsibility to stand up against sharia.
I must thank you for helping me out of sunnism. You are someone I wont forget.
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whateverI don't know how to begin.
My name is Wael. My mother is from marrocco and my father is Lebanese. Although my father is a Shia, my mom raised me to become a Sunni as herself. She even sent me to marrocco, in her native town called TIZNIT, for a year when i was 12 and it was there I became very religious. My aunt is a SHARIFA as we call it in Morrocco, it's a person who is allegedly from the prophet Muhammad's family, so some of my family members was very religious Sunnis. As I am born and raised up in Spain (that's the reason for why my English is so bad. So excuse my English) I always needed a place to belong to. In Spain I felt myself marroccan, and in vacations in Lebanon I felt myself marroccan but when I was in marrocco I didn't really felt myself home either. So I was searching for an identity. When i expressed my frustration to My mother who is a religious Sunnia, she would tell me that there is nothing called Spanish, marroccan or Lebanese but only something called Muslim and non Muslim . That made me comfortable. I was a Muslim and that became my identity. When I was sent to marrocco by my mother as a 13 years old, my family would increase my faith in sunnism and when I came back I began to wear jellaba(I don't know what it's called in English?) and the Islamic cap and I would follow all the rules in my religion. My mother was very happy for me but my father being a Shia was very dissatisfied with me following My mothers religion (sunnism) . He used to say "In our Arab tradition the son follow the father so you have to be Shia like me, not Sunni like your mother" . But I didn't cared about what my father said, as i was raised by my maternal family to become a Sunni and I was convinced that sunnism was the truth. Moreover my aunt was a SHARIFA which for me proved that I was on the right track. When I was 14 years old I begin doing DAWA(I don't know what it's called in English?) but most marroccans here in Spain aren't religious I began to travel abroad in order to give dawa with some of my friends, I was in holland, in Denmark , in Germany and UK where many Sunnis praised me for having so deep knowledge of sunnah and fosha compared to my age. In UK I found many religious Sunnis who praise me to the skies and for me UK Was my favorite place in Europe as it had sharia courts and as I saw many religious Muslims there. However my biggest idol was a goat looking man called zakir naik. I was a very close minded teenage, and also a sexist women hater. Women were nothing more then a sexual object created to lead us to do zina. So I felt it was best women were kept in their homes and if they went out they should be completely covered. I also felt disgust by non Muslims, they would go to hell, and by Muslims I regarded murdads quranist, Shia, alawi and so on. But deep inside myself I felt like I was missing something.... Watching my Spanish class mates do simple activities like listening to music made me feel sick to my stomach.. I remember some marroccan songs I loved to hear in my childhood but would deny myself to hear now since It was haram. But I made my heart hard as a stone I found comfort when my sheikh praised me for being strong enough to say no to music.
My cousine from Morrocco visited me in Spain and told me that he had became a quranist. I demanded to know who made him kafir ? He mentioned free minds, said that he followed free minds but didn't really participate in the discussions but he had followed free minds and was convinced that Hadith were a fabrication. I then joined free minds, thinking that I could convert each and every murdad on that page back to Islam and sunnah but I felt in talk with someone named soldier of Allah. He litterly shattered my belief. First he made me realize that the ulama who I used to believe and follow blindly were not experts as I thought. He was a very though Provocing guy who made me realize that there is nothing scientific over science of Hadith.
I then took a break and studied everything on my own, and everything soldier of Allah said just made more and more sense. As a last resort, I tried to read the Quran without having any Hadith or sunnah in mind in order to see whether Quran can be understood without Hadith and sunnah and surprisingly I was actually able to read the whole Quran and understand it without sunnah and Hadith! The "problem" is just that my understanding of Quran was VERY DIFFERENT without sunnah than the understanding I had with sunnah in my mind. And going back to free minds and reading all my privious post was just so embarrassing, I sounded like a stupid fundamentalist.I am still searching. Bislama.
Praise be to God Lord of Universe.
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brickwall
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Haha dude didn't you red the other members post who told me that student of Allah is a woman . I aways though she was a man ... Like I always thought huruf to be a man but just yesterday got the shocking news that huruf is a lady.
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that student of Allah is a woman . I aways though she was a man ...
Salaam
A simple question; does it matter and how would you your opinion about student of Allah change if you knew his/her sexual identity?Like I always thought huruf to be a man but just yesterday got the shocking news that huruf is a lady.
Why were you shocked? I would appreciate a reflective reply to these questions as these are not feminist arguments but simply questions about forum members who you do not meet in person and whose opinions are free from preconceived notions.
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Shalom Aleikhem,
Thank you for your kinds words. I didnt mentioned Deedat so why do you say 'them'?
Well, you can forget about that. I only mentioned Deedat because I wanted to and Zakir's works are largely based on Deedat's. Not original.
I am not fan of Zakir, he lied and deceived me as well as thousand of others like me so why shall I be a fan of him or even respect him?
You don't have to be his fan or respect him for what he does. But name calling is not justified. Name calling is juvenile. And on itself, its not an argument or a refutation against the person, but slander.
Are you a male or female?
brickwall
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I am a student of Allah.
I must thank you for helping me out of sunnism. You are someone I wont forget.
Praise due to Lord, the cherisher and sustainer of the universe. The way I see it, my words had their effect because you actually bothered to read them and try to tackle it intellectually. I feel lucky because all I had to do is present you ayaats from the Qur'an and reason wisely. Thats it. The rest was entirely up to you and God.
I hope you don't stop and you question everything and everyone and walk the path of the righteous.
Peace
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Shalom Aleikhem,
You don't have to be his fan or respect him for what he does. But name calling is not justified. Name calling is juvenile. And on itself, its not an argument or a refutation against the person, but slander.
Peace
----------- Student of AllahSalaam
May I support your statement with 49;11;
O ye who believe! Let not some men among you laugh at others It may be that the (latter) are better than the (former) Nor let some women laugh at others It may be that the (latter are better than the (former) Nor defame nor be sarcastic to each other, nor call each other by (offensive) nicknames Ill-seeming is a name connoting wickedness, after he has believed And those who do not desist are doing wrong
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Haha dude didn't you red the other members post who told me that student of Allah is a woman . I aways though she was a man ... Like I always thought huruf to be a man but just yesterday got the shocking news that huruf is a lady.
Peace Wael,
Red I read that, but I personally don't like to dig anyone's identity specially when that person is trying to hide it.
Blue shocking news! rotfl
May Allah bless you and guide us to His true path pr
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Salaam
A simple question; does it matter and how would you your opinion about student of Allah change if you knew his/her sexual identity?Why were you shocked? I would appreciate a reflective reply to these questions as these are not feminist arguments but simply questions about forum members who you do not meet in person and whose opinions are free from preconceived notions.
Thanks in advanceHehehehehehehehe relax dudes group
But let me admit, if I knew that student of Allah was a woman to begin with, I would never had listened to her . ignore
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Peace Wael,
Red I read that, but I personally don't like to dig anyone's identity specially when that person is trying to hide it.
Blue shocking news! rotfl
May Allah bless you and guide us to His true path pr
mmKhanBut hey dude .. why would anyone try to hide his/her identity confused Wallah ana mostaghreb confused
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Thank you and that is why it's sensible of student of Allah not to reveal his/her sexual identity.
Salaambecause she is afraid of people not taking her seriously if she is a woman? So she is embarrased of her gender ?
I am a man and I am proud of my gender I wont hide it just because someone is a male hater.
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But hey dude .. why would anyone try to hide his/her identity confused Wallah ana mostaghreb confused
I don't know bro, you can ask the one who is hiding...
Red BTW, what is so wonder in it? And it is not good to swear about Allah, I know saying "Wallah" is not meant in that ways but still... D
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I don't know bro, you can ask the one who is hiding...
Red BTW, what is so wonder in it? And it is not good to swear about Allah, I know saying "Wallah" is not meant in that ways but still... D
yes I swear thats a bad habit we arabs have.. we say wallah in every second sentence.. ya3ni it just comes out without thinking..
we arabs use 2 words excessively
- Wallah
- Habibi O0
In Spain you dont call your friends, colleagues, the watchman or the taxi driver for Habibi .. but somehow we arabs do confused
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Hehehehehehehehe relax dudes group
But let me admit, if I knew that student of Allah was a woman to begin with, I would never had listened to her . ignore
I Hope God has proved you otherwise. Women in my life have impacted me more-so than Men. From Mother to aunts to The many Female Teachers that i Admire. (Most of my teachers were Women...such caring creatures )
and yeah in the arabic circle, they do swear a lot by God "walahi" "walahi el3azeem" "wrbk"
we aren't supposed to swear by God in our every day speech.Do Not Take God's Name in Vain
Do not subject GOD's name to your casual swearing, that you may appear righteous, pious, or to attain credibility among the people. GOD is Hearer, Knower.