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    Ahmad_Bilal
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    Peace, brother Ayman.

    Peace brothers FA and Javed,

    Of course there is no such thing as "send blessings" in the passage. The same word "yusali" is used in 3343

    1. He is the one who "yusali" on you, He and his contollers, to lead you out of the darknesses into the light. And he is ever merciful towards those who have faith.

    One can easily find the correct meaning of "salat" by looking at the same exact effect repeated word for word in the following passage

    6510-11. O you who possess intelligence and have faith, the god has sent down to you a reminder A messenger who recites on you the god's clarifying signs, to lead those who have faith and work righteousness out of the darknesses into the light.

    So "salat" has the same exact effect as reciting the quran.

    This is why "reading is used as a synonym of "salat" in 1778.

    This is why the quran is called "a reminder" and the purpose of salat is to "remind" (see 2014).

    The problem I have with your position concerning "salat" is the context of the word when used in certain other passages in the Qur'aan. For example

    Do you not see that Allah is He Whom do glorify all those who are in the heavens and the earth, and the birds with expanded wings? He knows the "salat" of each one and its glorification, and Allah is knowledgeable of what they do. (Q. 2441)

    Obviously, we can't equate "salat" with 'reading', since birds can't read. We also can't equate it with 'prayer', since birds don't perform Islamic prayer rituals, etc. So, how are we to interpret this? How do you define the word "salat" as used in the Qur'aan?

    Peace,

    Ahmad

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      AliHuzaifa
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      Sunni?

      yes very much sunnni,shia and quraan follower....

      I am every thing and I am nothing, I know what they dont know, and they will never know what I know....

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        StopS
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        yes very much sunnni,shia and quraan follower....

        I am every thing and I am nothing, I know what they dont know, and they will never know what I know....

        What an accurate and precise statement.

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          hawk99
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          Peace, hawkninetynine.

          Depending on interpretation, we actually CAN raise our voices above the voice of Muhammad - namely, by looking to our own guidance and opinions rather than his. This Qur'aanic passage, like many others, can have a dual meaning, and it's not only applicable during his lifetime. The same context was relayed in the Bible, spoken by Jesus
          Peace,
          Ahmad

          Peace Ahmad Bilal,

          No you cannot raise your voice above the prophet's any longer because he is dead. You
          may try, but you will fail. Yes the Quran is applicable and a guidance for all of mankind,
          but the ayat teaches not to shout or overtalk the prophet. People do not generally raise
          their voice over that of the pope either. Please read the context.

          In the name of God, Most Gracious, Most Merciful

          O you who believe, do not place your opinion above that of GOD and His messenger.
          You shall reverence GOD. GOD is Hearer, Omniscient.

          O you who believe, do not raise your voices above the voice of the prophet,
          nor shall you shout at him as you shout at each other, lest your works become nullified
          while you do not perceive.

          Surely, those who lower their voices at the messenger of GOD are the ones whose
          hearts are prepared by GOD to become righteous. They have deserved forgiveness and
          a great recompense.

          As for those who call on you from outside the walls, most of them do not understand.

          Had they been patient until you came out to them (takhruja), it would have been better for them. GOD is Forgiver, Most Merciful.

          This is a lesson for the believers about how to behave in the presence of the
          messenger of God.

          We made the Quran easy to learn. Does any of you wish to learn?

          O0

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            AliHuzaifa
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            All praise to ALLAH who created this whole world, and all respect to prophet MUHAMMED(s) who taught us how to lead a complete respectful life liked by ALLAH SUBHANU.....

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              Bigmo
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              yes very much sunnni,shia and quraan follower....

              I am every thing and I am nothing, I know what they dont know, and they will never know what I know....

              And how exatly are you a Sunni Quran follower? Are you also a Judaic Quran follower or a Christian Quran follwer or is it only a Sunni Quran follower?

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                unknownuser
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                You can use hadith for historical resources

                Althoutgh hadiths is contradict for Islam as source of law, It can still be used as source of historical account

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                  AliHuzaifa
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                  And how exatly are you a Sunni Quran follower? Are you also a Judaic Quran follower or a Christian Quran follwer or is it only a Sunni Quran follower?

                  a true momeen is every thing and on the same time nothing....

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                    ayman
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                    The problem I have with your position concerning "salat" is the context of the word when used in certain other passages in the Qur'aan. For example
                    Do you not see that Allah is He Whom do glorify all those who are in the heavens and the earth, and the birds with expanded wings? He knows the "salat" of each one and its glorification, and Allah is knowledgeable of what they do. (Q. 2441)
                    Obviously, we can't equate "salat" with 'reading', since birds can't read. We also can't equate it with 'prayer', since birds don't perform Islamic prayer rituals, etc. So, how are we to interpret this? How do you define the word "salat" as used in the Qur'aan?

                    Reading written text is a way of learning for humans. Birds read in other ways. They don't read written text but they read the signs of the god in the universe around them, the wind, the rain, the change of seasons, the fruits, etc. The god's signs are not only in the great reading.

                    Peace,

                    Ayman

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                      Ahmad_Bilal
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                      Peace, Ayman.

                      Reading written text is a way of learning for humans. Birds read in other ways. They don't read written text but they read the signs of the god in the universe around them, the wind, the rain, the change of seasons, the fruits, etc. The god's signs are not only in the great reading.

                      Thanks for your response. And, for the record, I totally agree. Coincidentally, the Jews have a very similar outlook, stating that "the greatest Torah is the world around (and within) us." Again, I appreciate your insight.

                      Peace,

                      Ahmad

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                        Jafar
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                        a true momeen is every thing and on the same time nothing....

                        Ah you've started to grasp Taoism.. )) bravo bravo bravo

                        "The Tao is everything and nothing, it comes from emptiness yet fills the universe.
                        So trust nothingness, to know abundance."
                        -- Tao The Ching

                        Salam / Peace

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                          AliHuzaifa
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                          Ah you've started to grasp Taoism.. )) bravo bravo bravo

                          "The Tao is everything and nothing, it comes from emptiness yet fills the universe.
                          So trust nothingness, to know abundance."
                          -- Tao The Ching

                          Salam / Peace

                          I didnt even know this word "taoism" but now I know it,Thankyou D

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                            Indelwyn
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                            WOW... guys. Thanks for all the info. The books listed I am currently looking in to. I do appreciate it.

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                              bobraynolds
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                              Peace be upon you Indelwyn

                              The book "Muhammed and the believers" by Fred M. Donner is one of the best books about historical Muhammed.

                              Here is a good review of the book from amazon.

                              You can download the book from this link

                              http//www.freebookspot.es/Comments.aspx?Element_ID=251266
                              http//freepdfs.net

                              Thanks for sharing the ebook download links!

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