Second Shahadah vs Actual Shahadah in the Quran

supportpeacenotwar

Peace,

I really feel there is no need to continue discussing like this. It feels tiring and at odds. I don't like to be sarcastic in my responses - in that sense, treating others as I would want them to treat myself - so I wouldn't go "drum roll please", or "erggh have you heard of this". That is how lack of reciprocity in communication causes communication breakdown. I find this hard and difficult to respond to, because I like to remain cordial or polite where possible and I just don't go for these types of discussions. It's just not the way I do things.

I actually mentioned on another post the whole point about natural observation - to Faithful in fact. I haven't even been talking about monotheism per se. I never even used that word. I even told you I didn't use a particular word, and instead of saying sorry my mistake, and moving on you continue to talk about monotheism. Of course I am going to mention belief in one God to an extent, the Quran talks about it a lot because it teaches our reality extends from God and God creates our concept of goodness. Whether or not the reader agrees with that, that is one of the main topics of the Quran.

You are making assumptions about me. When I have the self confidence and when I gain an ability? Wow, what brazeness. What environment? I don't even go to a mosque. People I know are either non-religious Muslims, other faiths or lack of faith. Some members of my family may even border on agnostics. No-one ever taught the Quran to me. I barely had a religious education. But this is not a place for me to tell you about my upbringing.

I never said that God does not give us common sense for a reason. What is the reason in explaining that point again? I will be over explaining myself. And this is a wow point for me You actually seem to think I'm saying that the Quran does not include "do unto others as you would want done unto you". Well, its clear if that level of misunderstanding occurs, its best to leave it there. This is like the "you used the word monotheist" again.

I think it is part of the Quran - I asked you if it is preserved because I was asking about your reasoning behind why you would say it is preserved. Why would the Quran talk so much about justice, kindness and charity if we are not to treat others as we would want to treat ourselves? I mean, that goes without saying.

I have read other works. But this isn't a competition on who's done what. And of course the Gospel and Torah mention monotheism, of course monotheism isn't special to the Quran. I mean, that's exactly what the Quran says. Anyone, anytime anywhere can accept monotheism. And btw, the stories of Abraham and Jesus teach that they had scriptures anyway, although thats besides the point.

You could have told about what you do, or your beliefs. I meant both anyway. You seem very aggrieved that I have asked questions and nothing I say seems to be right. So we can leave this here. There is no reason to continue. Your manner is hostile.

In fact, I used to a neo-pagan. I can still even tell people about the Wiccan rede or how to cast a circle. But your assumptions would not allow you to have believed that. I've already mentioned this elsewhere that I know of these new age faiths, I know that some people practicing in them are very open minded people and that Pagan can't be used to label people as some might think. There are also some people who may reject the concept of God right now but they will come to accept it later.

The Atheist I spoke to on Skype, even though he has a 'facetious' manner or however he put it, was actually more polite than you overall, he actually seemed fairly open to questions even though I completely disagreed with him and I didn't find him preaching at others about what parts of the Quran they ought to focus on and what they shouldn't.

I'm not here to fight, I know you'll insist otherwise but the way the discussion has gone, its clear how this is going. I would actually appreciate it if you wouldn't leave an antagonistic response. If I can't discuss in the right way that you want, then lets I'll discuss with those who are happy to discuss with me.

Jafar

Peace,

I really feel there is no need to continue discussing like this. It feels tiring and at odds. I don't like to be sarcastic in my responses - in that sense, treating others as I would want them to treat myself - so I wouldn't go "drum roll please", or "erggh have you heard of this". That is how lack of reciprocity in communication causes communication breakdown. I find this hard and difficult to respond to, because I like to remain cordial or polite where possible and I just don't go for these types of discussions. It's just not the way I do things.

I'm not 'fighting' you, and it seems that you lack the 'tolerance' of how other people say stuff.

Again the main point are

Monotheism is nothing special. As there are a whole bunch of EVIL people who are monotheist. Check out the history of the level of atrocities that monotheist can do, from pillaging, robbery, massacres, slavery, rapes.. It's evidenced that monotheist human are able to do such atrocities.
Doing good deeds is more important, and if you're asking about a reminder than it's more suitable.
Quran is not the ONLY and/or LAST revelation / enlightenment from God. Infact God's revelation continues up until today at accelerating rate.

Salam / Peace

Man_of_Faith

Peace Jafar,

The actual actions of monotheists do not automatically render monotheism a wrong approach. Most people, no matter religion, are destined for Hell.

One thing you are right about, and it is that the righteous deeds and conduct of the Believers is most important for salvation, apart from believing that the Universe was created and the life does not end upon death.

Have you accepted the fact that other people may have a different opinion than you?

Many people around here believe the Quran to be the only exact wordings of God, apart from stone tablets long lost which were given to Moses.

Despite this, many of us, including me, gladly take a look at other words by righteous men such as those in the Bible, who were inspired and supported by God. Good for you that you can see the positive aspects of Buddhism, I like the meditation and some things from it myself.

I feel that you have an appalling attitude to be honest, and that you disturbed supportpeacenotwar' s peace. You try to teach people something, but do not live as you teach. How righteous is that?

To seek an inner peace within your soul and then let this peace spread around you is the main goal in Islam.

Supportpeacenotwar wants to stop talking to you because she cannot continue without becoming emotionally affected and can be a wise decision rather than it ruining the day. Rude people are certainly mood-destroyers and require lots of patience and self-control. If you are already in a bad mood, for whatever reason, it can be difficult to remain calm.

God bless you

supportpeacenotwar