Know that:
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Wsalam I guess this leads to my next question, does having a genetic link to Ali make one more intelligent, more attractive, deserve more respect or more worthy of God than one without?
salaam+
I would say no, but it makes you more likely to have inherited some of the good qualities of prophet Muhammad (saws), which were apparent in many of his descendants. With careful nurturing, you may also be more prone to fear God and, perhaps be charitable and disposed to studying and reflecting on His signs in this world.
With no comparisons, apart from the purely genetical, when breeding excellent horses one selects, for a quality breeding mare, a stallion whose offspring displays a strong resemblance to their sire, in the complimenting qualities you look for. This will greatly enhance chances of breeding excellence. Genetically the same holds true for humans. peace -
Continuing the genetical comparison to horse breeding; if you have genetically outstanding breeding material you may want to try linear breeding(in-breeding) where a Sire (father) may cover his daughter etc.
This could produce a very stable and predictable breed, where the offspring are all but clones of its Sire.The Muslim custom of cousin marriages can produce very similar results over time. wow -
671 Say, "Shall we call upon other than God what cannot benefit us or harm us, and we turn back on our heels after God has guided us?" This is like the one whom the devils have managed to mislead on earth, he is confused, having friends who call him to the guidance "Come to us!" Say, "The guidance is God's guidance, and we have been ordered to peacefully surrender to the Lord of the worlds."
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From Gita--
Whosoever desires to worship whatever deity ? using any name, form, and method ? with faith, I make their faith steady in that very deity. Endowed with steady faith they worship that deity, and obtain their wishes through that deity. Those wishes are, indeed, granted only by Me. (7.21-22)
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Salam al-amiyr, Who are these Neo-Tucsonians? I have no knowledge of them. Can you tell me/us more about their onslaught?
Thank you in advance.
salaam faruk
I would like to talk to you about who the Neo-Tucsonians are and about their onslaught. For a proper and complete explanation of this, I need more time. If I would give just a little information it would make no sense and then I feel that you and the others would prolong your onslaught against me. If you will be a little more patient I will present everything in a future thread of the same name inshaa ALLAAH. For now
Have you heard about 'aHlu-sh-shakk ( ) Doubtians of the Darkness- possessors of no light?
Advancing in my thanks
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Peace,
All those who are Shi'a please raise your hands!
It makes no difference who you descended from, hidden books, special knowledge, race
are all nonsense unless God states it to be so like in the case of Ibrahim. The Quran
makes no mention of a special lineage of Muhammad. It is a Shi'a innovation. Please
correct me if I am wrong.peace
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Peace,
All those who are Shi'a please raise your hands!
It makes no difference who you descended from, hidden books, special knowledge, race
are all nonsense unless God states it to be so like in the case of Ibrahim. The Quran
makes no mention of a special lineage of Muhammad. It is a Shi'a innovation. Please
correct me if I am wrong.peace
Peace Hawk
Let me correct you . There have always been people who excel others and to an extent their children inherit the preponderance to excellence through their genes and then with nurturing and, setting a good example, their offspring take after them.
Just look at the illustrious line of Imraan that has produced such a great number of prophets and righteous servants of Allaah (swt). This is no invention by the Shiaa but a part of His great plan.
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Peace Hawk
Let me correct you . There have always been people who excel others and to an extent their children inherit the preponderance to excellence through their genes and then with nurturing and, setting a good example, their offspring take after them.
Just look at the illustrious line of Imraan that has produced such a great number of prophets and righteous servants of Allaah (swt). This is no invention by the Shiaa but a part of His great plan.
peacePeace G.Omar,
Thank you for the correction, I am aware of the lineage of Ibrahim and Imraan.
GOD has chosen Adam, Noah, the family of Abraham, and the family of Amram
to the people.They belong in the same progeny. GOD is Hearer, Omniscient.
My inquiry is asking, Where does God speak of the lineage of Muhammad?
Please no links and no hadiths, just ayats from the word of God.
God bless
peace
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Peace G.Omar,
Thank you for the correction, I am aware of the lineage of Ibrahim and Imraan.
GOD has chosen Adam, Noah, the family of Abraham, and the family of Amram
to the people.They belong in the same progeny. GOD is Hearer, Omniscient.
My inquiry is asking, Where does God speak of the lineage of Muhammad?
Please no links and no hadiths, just ayats from the word of God.
God bless
peace
Peace Hawk,
I'm not aware of any ayaats from Al Qur'aan, where 'God speaks of the lineage of Muhammad'. You can however infer that a man, and a Prophet of such outstanding virtue as Muhammad (saws) does not arise by chance, nor were his genes lost with his death. Do you deny that genes have a significant impact on the offspring of a person? nope
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Peace G.Omar,
Thank you for the correction, I am aware of the lineage of Ibrahim and Imraan.
GOD has chosen Adam, Noah, the family of Abraham, and the family of Amram
to the people.They belong in the same progeny. GOD is Hearer, Omniscient.
My inquiry is asking, Where does God speak of the lineage of Muhammad?
Please no links and no hadiths, just ayats from the word of God.
God bless
peace
salaam
I think the right approach is to learn from the Qur'an about the forefathers of Muhammad's SA, who is from the lineage of Ibrahiym, through his elder son Ismail?
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Salam,
How difficult to drive a Ferrari within the speed limit of less than 10 miles per hour?
(<a href="http//quran.com/3/7">37</a>, <a href="http//quran.com/5/101">5101</a>, <a href="http//quran.com/2/67-71">267-71</a>salaam+
Before you put your foot on the accelerator of that Ferrari think of the direction you are driving to hmm
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salaam+ brother
And if there is darkness then you would need to switch on light(noor) so you are able to see the direction you are taking yes
peaceSalam,
That's why we need Allah, to monitor closely our terms and conditions of contract.
post #33
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605689.msg335003;topicseen#msg335003Peace.
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Peace Hawk,
I'm not aware of any ayaats from Al Qur'aan, where 'God speaks of the lineage of Muhammad'. You can however infer that a man, and a Prophet of such outstanding virtue as Muhammad (saws) does not arise by chance, nor were his genes lost with his death. Do you deny that genes have a significant impact on the offspring of a person?
Peace G.Omar,
I am not one to deny genetic makeup, I am also not one to extend genetic makeup
because of the variances in the gene composition. However, I am not one to dissuade
others religious beliefs because God made us all, and granted us differences. All I am
saying is based on Quran kareem, the Quran is the final testament and there is no lineage
after Muhammad based on Quran. Therefore, those who base their faith on, and accept
Muhammad's lineage as a precursor to obtaining knowledge I say they are in error, based
on Quran. Please correct me if I am wrong.Please no hadith or links
God bless
peace
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Dear all,
Things get stinky when people,
i) claim, directly or indirectly, superiority over others by giving reference to their alleged genetic link to e.g. Muhammad. This is arrogance and ignorance.
ii) use genetic linkage as an excuse to whoreship, sorry, worship, others.The whole 'science' of lineage in prophets that people indulge in and draw identity from, reeks from racism, arrogance and ignorance. In some countries it is used as a de facto caste system.
It doesn't matter what genetic system God has put in place, it is not for us human beings to judge each other as higher or lower than others.
I know that many things are passed on from parent to child, and this is partly expressed on a physical level as genes in the DNA. Things that are passed on can be physical abilities, brain capacity, fears and other mental luggage etc etc. We have genes that shape us, and we have environment that shape us, but we also have a spiritual side which is all too often forgotten, because we quite frankly tend to not know ourselves and our real nature. I have seen people from families that are decedents of Muhammad (though not verified by myself )) and the individual siblings share certain traits like all other sets of siblings, at the same time as they can be total opposites of each other. The ability to connect to God and see reality; the ability to be soft, humane and a benefit to people, is a blessing from God that I seriously doubt we should look in the DNA for. Let's not be like the atheist scientist who thinks each and everything starts and ends with molecules. Most likely the opposite is true.
Cheers
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Peace G.Omar,
Therefore, those who base their faith on, and accept
Muhammad's lineage as a precursor to obtaining knowledge I say they are in error, based
on Quran. Please correct me if I am wrong.Please no hadith or links
God bless
peacePeace hawk99
My take on this is that those who believes that; None can dispute about the Signs of Allah but the Unbelievers.
would give priority to first finding out about the Signs of Allah, and if they see that yes the person has shown them what he claims then they have confirmation of Muhammad's(SA) lineage.When al-amiyr started to teach, and invite people, to learn from his knowledge from ALLAAH, the obvious question will be how did you get this special sacred knowledge? In order to satisfy their inquisitiveness he must obviously present his CV, if you like, his credentials or family background, to show people that he is indeed qualified for the job.
Now if you believe in the Signs of Allah you will not worry too much about his claim, as the proof is in the pudding. You will say ok show me if you are truthful, and when you see the truth, with your own eyes, you will know whether or not he is from Muhammad's(sa) lineage .
Others who see, accepting 'Muhammad's lineage as a prerequisite to obtaining knowledge, should ask themselves do I really believe in .Peace