Know that:
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From Gita--
Whosoever desires to worship whatever deity ? using any name, form, and method ? with faith, I make their faith steady in that very deity. Endowed with steady faith they worship that deity, and obtain their wishes through that deity. Those wishes are, indeed, granted only by Me. (7.21-22)
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Salam al-amiyr, Who are these Neo-Tucsonians? I have no knowledge of them. Can you tell me/us more about their onslaught?
Thank you in advance.
salaam faruk
I would like to talk to you about who the Neo-Tucsonians are and about their onslaught. For a proper and complete explanation of this, I need more time. If I would give just a little information it would make no sense and then I feel that you and the others would prolong your onslaught against me. If you will be a little more patient I will present everything in a future thread of the same name inshaa ALLAAH. For now
Have you heard about 'aHlu-sh-shakk ( ) Doubtians of the Darkness- possessors of no light?
Advancing in my thanks
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Peace,
All those who are Shi'a please raise your hands!
It makes no difference who you descended from, hidden books, special knowledge, race
are all nonsense unless God states it to be so like in the case of Ibrahim. The Quran
makes no mention of a special lineage of Muhammad. It is a Shi'a innovation. Please
correct me if I am wrong.peace
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Peace,
All those who are Shi'a please raise your hands!
It makes no difference who you descended from, hidden books, special knowledge, race
are all nonsense unless God states it to be so like in the case of Ibrahim. The Quran
makes no mention of a special lineage of Muhammad. It is a Shi'a innovation. Please
correct me if I am wrong.peace
Peace Hawk
Let me correct you . There have always been people who excel others and to an extent their children inherit the preponderance to excellence through their genes and then with nurturing and, setting a good example, their offspring take after them.
Just look at the illustrious line of Imraan that has produced such a great number of prophets and righteous servants of Allaah (swt). This is no invention by the Shiaa but a part of His great plan.
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Peace Hawk
Let me correct you . There have always been people who excel others and to an extent their children inherit the preponderance to excellence through their genes and then with nurturing and, setting a good example, their offspring take after them.
Just look at the illustrious line of Imraan that has produced such a great number of prophets and righteous servants of Allaah (swt). This is no invention by the Shiaa but a part of His great plan.
peacePeace G.Omar,
Thank you for the correction, I am aware of the lineage of Ibrahim and Imraan.
GOD has chosen Adam, Noah, the family of Abraham, and the family of Amram
to the people.They belong in the same progeny. GOD is Hearer, Omniscient.
My inquiry is asking, Where does God speak of the lineage of Muhammad?
Please no links and no hadiths, just ayats from the word of God.
God bless
peace
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Peace G.Omar,
Thank you for the correction, I am aware of the lineage of Ibrahim and Imraan.
GOD has chosen Adam, Noah, the family of Abraham, and the family of Amram
to the people.They belong in the same progeny. GOD is Hearer, Omniscient.
My inquiry is asking, Where does God speak of the lineage of Muhammad?
Please no links and no hadiths, just ayats from the word of God.
God bless
peace
Peace Hawk,
I'm not aware of any ayaats from Al Qur'aan, where 'God speaks of the lineage of Muhammad'. You can however infer that a man, and a Prophet of such outstanding virtue as Muhammad (saws) does not arise by chance, nor were his genes lost with his death. Do you deny that genes have a significant impact on the offspring of a person? nope
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Peace G.Omar,
Thank you for the correction, I am aware of the lineage of Ibrahim and Imraan.
GOD has chosen Adam, Noah, the family of Abraham, and the family of Amram
to the people.They belong in the same progeny. GOD is Hearer, Omniscient.
My inquiry is asking, Where does God speak of the lineage of Muhammad?
Please no links and no hadiths, just ayats from the word of God.
God bless
peace
salaam
I think the right approach is to learn from the Qur'an about the forefathers of Muhammad's SA, who is from the lineage of Ibrahiym, through his elder son Ismail?
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Salam,
How difficult to drive a Ferrari within the speed limit of less than 10 miles per hour?
(<a href="http//quran.com/3/7">37</a>, <a href="http//quran.com/5/101">5101</a>, <a href="http//quran.com/2/67-71">267-71</a>salaam+
Before you put your foot on the accelerator of that Ferrari think of the direction you are driving to hmm
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salaam+ brother
And if there is darkness then you would need to switch on light(noor) so you are able to see the direction you are taking yes
peaceSalam,
That's why we need Allah, to monitor closely our terms and conditions of contract.
post #33
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605689.msg335003;topicseen#msg335003Peace.
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Peace Hawk,
I'm not aware of any ayaats from Al Qur'aan, where 'God speaks of the lineage of Muhammad'. You can however infer that a man, and a Prophet of such outstanding virtue as Muhammad (saws) does not arise by chance, nor were his genes lost with his death. Do you deny that genes have a significant impact on the offspring of a person?
Peace G.Omar,
I am not one to deny genetic makeup, I am also not one to extend genetic makeup
because of the variances in the gene composition. However, I am not one to dissuade
others religious beliefs because God made us all, and granted us differences. All I am
saying is based on Quran kareem, the Quran is the final testament and there is no lineage
after Muhammad based on Quran. Therefore, those who base their faith on, and accept
Muhammad's lineage as a precursor to obtaining knowledge I say they are in error, based
on Quran. Please correct me if I am wrong.Please no hadith or links
God bless
peace
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Dear all,
Things get stinky when people,
i) claim, directly or indirectly, superiority over others by giving reference to their alleged genetic link to e.g. Muhammad. This is arrogance and ignorance.
ii) use genetic linkage as an excuse to whoreship, sorry, worship, others.The whole 'science' of lineage in prophets that people indulge in and draw identity from, reeks from racism, arrogance and ignorance. In some countries it is used as a de facto caste system.
It doesn't matter what genetic system God has put in place, it is not for us human beings to judge each other as higher or lower than others.
I know that many things are passed on from parent to child, and this is partly expressed on a physical level as genes in the DNA. Things that are passed on can be physical abilities, brain capacity, fears and other mental luggage etc etc. We have genes that shape us, and we have environment that shape us, but we also have a spiritual side which is all too often forgotten, because we quite frankly tend to not know ourselves and our real nature. I have seen people from families that are decedents of Muhammad (though not verified by myself )) and the individual siblings share certain traits like all other sets of siblings, at the same time as they can be total opposites of each other. The ability to connect to God and see reality; the ability to be soft, humane and a benefit to people, is a blessing from God that I seriously doubt we should look in the DNA for. Let's not be like the atheist scientist who thinks each and everything starts and ends with molecules. Most likely the opposite is true.
Cheers
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Peace G.Omar,
Therefore, those who base their faith on, and accept
Muhammad's lineage as a precursor to obtaining knowledge I say they are in error, based
on Quran. Please correct me if I am wrong.Please no hadith or links
God bless
peacePeace hawk99
My take on this is that those who believes that; None can dispute about the Signs of Allah but the Unbelievers.
would give priority to first finding out about the Signs of Allah, and if they see that yes the person has shown them what he claims then they have confirmation of Muhammad's(SA) lineage.When al-amiyr started to teach, and invite people, to learn from his knowledge from ALLAAH, the obvious question will be how did you get this special sacred knowledge? In order to satisfy their inquisitiveness he must obviously present his CV, if you like, his credentials or family background, to show people that he is indeed qualified for the job.
Now if you believe in the Signs of Allah you will not worry too much about his claim, as the proof is in the pudding. You will say ok show me if you are truthful, and when you see the truth, with your own eyes, you will know whether or not he is from Muhammad's(sa) lineage .
Others who see, accepting 'Muhammad's lineage as a prerequisite to obtaining knowledge, should ask themselves do I really believe in .Peace
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Dear all,
Things get stinky when people,
i) claim, directly or indirectly, superiority over others by giving reference to their alleged genetic link to e.g. Muhammad. This is arrogance and ignorance.
ii) use genetic linkage as an excuse to whoreship, sorry, worship, others.-
Who claims superiority through their genetic link? If you're referring to al-amiyr, his only claim is that he possesses the knowledge of al-kitaab maknuwn, passed down trough generations from father to son. Is this claiming genetic superiority??
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Those of us who revere al-amiyr do so, not because he is of the lineage of Muhammad (saws), but because of the depth of his awe inspiring erudition and because of his compelling personality.
Is this worship??
The whole 'science' of lineage in prophets that people indulge in and draw identity from, reeks from racism, arrogance and ignorance. In some countries it is used as a de facto caste system. It doesn't matter what genetic system God has put in place, it is not for us human beings to judge each other as higher or lower than others.
You and I come from the same (Swedish), hyper egalitarian culture, and instinctively dislike all who stand out from the crowd (Jantelagen), but we must admit that God has not created us equal. True it's not for us to judge each other, but we should show proper respect where respect is due.
peace
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Peace hawk99
My take on this is that those who believes that; None can dispute about the Signs of Allah but the Unbelievers.
would give priority to first finding out about the Signs of Allah, and if they see that yes the person has shown them what he claims then they have confirmation of Muhammad's(SA) lineage.When al-amiyr started to teach, and invite people, to learn from his knowledge from ALLAAH, the obvious question will be how did you get this special sacred knowledge? In order to satisfy their inquisitiveness he must obviously present his CV, if you like, his credentials or family background, to show people that he is indeed qualified for the job.
Now if you believe in the Signs of Allah you will not worry too much about his claim, as the proof is in the pudding. You will say ok show me if you are truthful, and when you see the truth, with your own eyes, you will know whether or not he is from Muhammad's(sa) lineage .
Others who see, accepting 'Muhammad's lineage as a prerequisite to obtaining knowledge, should ask themselves do I really believe in .Peace
Salam,
I wonder why Allah remind us to ignore certain part of the Quran in surah ali-Imran ayat 7 ?
It is the Quran ... the actual "sign" from Allah.
Why should we ignore the word of Allah?
and.. below is various translations of the Quran on verse 404
Progressive Muslim None dispute in the revelations of God except those who have rejected.
Muhammad Ali None dispute concerning the messages of Allah but those who disbelieve.
Muhammad Asad NONE BUT THOSE who are bent on denying the truth would call God's messages in question.
Shakir None dispute concerning the communications of Allah but those who disbelieve.
Muhsin Khan None disputes in the Ayat of Allah but those who disbelieve.
Bijan Moeinian None disputes the word of God except the disbelievers.
Abdul Majid Daryabadi None dispute concerning the revelations of Allah save those who disbelieve
Abdul Mannan Omar None disputes with regard to the commandments of Allah except those who choose disbelief.
Ahmed Ali Only the unbelievers dispute the revelations of God.
English Literal None argue/dispute in God`s evidences/verses except those who disbelieved.
Kamal Omar Does not dispute in Ayaatillahe except those who have disbelieved.
Pickthall None argue concerning the revelations of Allah save those who disbelieve.
Mohammad Tahir-ul-Qadri No one disputes about the Revelations of Allah except those who do not believe.
Muhammad Abdel Haleem It is only the disbelievers who dispute God's revelations.
Nooruddin None disputes with regard to the commandments of Allah except those who choose disbelief.
Sayyid Abul Ala Maududi None argue/dispute in God's evidences/verses except those who disbelieved.
Syed Vickar Ahamed No one can dispute about the Signs (Verses) of Allah, except the unbelievers.
Talal Itani None argues against God's revelations except those who disbelieve.
Muhammad Taqi Usmani No one quarrels about the verses of Allah, except those who disbelieve.
Muhammad Taqi-ud-Din None disputes in the Ayat of God but those who disbelieve.
Hamid S. Aziz None dispute concerning the revelations of Allah but those who disbelieve.
Hasan al-Fatih Qaribullah and Ahmad Darwish None but the unbelievers dispute concerning the verses of Allah.
Muhammad Farooq-i-Azam Malik None dispute the revelations of Allah but those who disbelieve.
Peace.
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Peace hawk99
My take on this is that those who believes that; None can dispute about the Signs of Allah but the Unbelievers.
would give priority to first finding out about the Signs of Allah, and if they see that yes the person has shown them what he claims then they have confirmation of Muhammad's(SA) lineage.When al-amiyr started to teach, and invite people, to learn from his knowledge from ALLAAH, the obvious question will be how did you get this special sacred knowledge? In order to satisfy their inquisitiveness he must obviously present his CV, if you like, his credentials or family background, to show people that he is indeed qualified for the job.
Now if you believe in the Signs of Allah you will not worry too much about his claim, as the proof is in the pudding. You will say ok show me if you are truthful, and when you see the truth, with your own eyes, you will know whether or not he is from Muhammad's(sa) lineage .
Others who see, accepting 'Muhammad's lineage as a prerequisite to obtaining knowledge, should ask themselves do I really believe in .Peace
Peace returned to you farida,
While you have translated as signs, which may be acceptable,
a better translation as ayats or revelations are better and more to the point.I prefer this translation
None argues against GOD's revelations/verses except those who disbelieve.
Do not be impressed by their apparent success.Figuratively, the last part comes with a warning for you!
Do not be impressed by their apparent success.
In reference to ayat 40/4
I am not arguing against the verses/revelations of God, I believe in them wholeheartedly.
And I am not impressed by your teachers apparent success. Thanks for the ayatAfter becoming one who has submitted, the next part of the journey is to arrive at certainty.
Praise God for granting me certainty!If your teacher brings you to certainty that is a good thing for you, because I know that there
is no better feeling. Just be careful that you are not misled.God bless you
peace
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Peace returned to you farida,
While you have translated as signs, which may be acceptable,
a better translation as ayats or revelations are better and more to the point.I prefer this translation
None argues against GOD's revelations/verses except those who disbelieve.
Do not be impressed by their apparent success.God bless you
peace
hawk99
Thank you for your input and I wonder why you returned my peace. Were you offended by my greetings, or are you saying peace be with you as well confused
For now I think its better we deal with the first part of your post which deals with the very basic the According to you better translation as ayats or revelations are better and more to the point
If you could kindly expound on this so I can I fully understand what exactly you mean, as word is mentioned, again and again in the Qur'an. For that reason you cannot link it to the next point/verse to understand its meaning. This surely has a whole set of solid meanings, which can be applied according to the relevant next point.
I translate it as sign/symbols/letters/alphabets, as Imam al-amiyr mentioned in his lessons/posts, and there is no harm in learning from the point of view of others. It will only increase your knowledge. So we can discuss it in two ways, either you explain fully how you apply your translation 'aayaat in different situations, as most are doing here on this forum on several subject like Salaah etc.
Or you learn from al-amiyr his point, and refute his understanding of or accept that he is right.I am sure you are a confident mature and intelligent person and you are not superstitious or suspicious of other's studies or research. You can only confront someone after understanding what they are saying. Otherwise, as you have seen on this forum where there are so many intelligent members who have been debating many basic issues, yet are unable to reach a consensus...WHY?
peace