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    faruk
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    It makes little to no sense for God to force someone to make choices they didn't want to make, since that makes said choices meaningless. The system would be streamlined/efficient, the choices that we make would be ours and factored into the program, while the program would still execute according to the designed plan, the will of God. I think that we might be confusing our choices with that of God's will or in other words, God's system. We all have no choice in that regard but to submit to the system, since we are present therein, but we do have the capacity to make our choices...and those can't change the system/program in place. It will unfold as it must, we are either with the flow, drifting or against it, what determines our success or failure.

    peace

    Salam,

    Well said. Now I think I'm starting to understand the apparent contradiction of free will and all prevailing God's will .

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      Salam,

      A picture is worth a thousand words.

      This what we should be doing.

      http//s16.postimg.org/805wdizsj/Islam.png

      However, this is what we are doing today.

      Standing up on "what is right or wrong on each separate elements".

      Fire Based Religion Hinduism, Sunni Islam, Shia Islam, Khawarij Islam etc.

      Air Based Religion Christianity, Da'wah Islam, Political Islam etc.

      Water Based Religion Buddhism, Atheism, Sufi Islam, Tasawwuf, Educational Islam etc.

      Earth Based Religion Judaism, Quranism Islam, Wahabi Islam etc.

      Therefore, can we say any of the above religions is "Din of Islam"?

      Nope, it is a religion.

      And whoever seeks a "dnan" (&#1575 other than Islam
      it will NEVER be accepted of him
      and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers
      (385)

      This is what happened today within the Islamic World.

      And they say

      "None will enter Paradise except one who is a Jew or a Christian."

      That is their wishful thinking

      Say, "Produce your proof, if you should be truthful."

      Yes
      whoever submits his face in Islam to Allah
      while being a doer of good
      will have his reward with his Lord
      And no fear will there be concerning them
      nor will they grieve.

      The Jews say

      "The Christians have nothing to stand on,"

      and the Christians say

      "The Jews have nothing to stand on,"

      although they recite the Scripture.

      Thus the polytheists speak the same as their words.

      But Allah will judge between them on the Day of Resurrection
      concerning that over which they used to differ

      And who are more unjust than those
      who prevent the name of Allah from being mentioned in His mosques (system?)
      and strive toward their destruction
      It is not for them to enter them except in fear
      For them in this world is disgrace
      and they will have in the Hereafter a great punishment

      And to Allah belongs the east and the west
      So wherever you turn
      there is the Face of Allah
      Indeed, Allah is all-Encompassing and Knowing

      (2111-115)

      "And to Allah belongs the east and the west"

      To Allah belongs the direction (intention, kiblah) and whatever you do (action, amal, madhab, religion).

      As long you are in Islam to Allah and doer of good

      "wherever you might turn"

      "there is the Face of Allah"

      "No fear will there be concerning them"

      "nor will they grieve"

      Now, just a philosophical statement...

      as to the meaning of solat

      http//s13.postimg.org/f0sag5q85/solat.png

      Fire = South = Law and order = Alif = Asmaullah = and so on...
      Air = West = Communication/Humanity = Lam = Afaalullah = and so on...
      Water = East = Knowledge/Expertise = Lam = Sifatullah = and so on...
      Earth = North = Persistence/Ground/Humble = Ha = Dzatullah = and so on...

      Fire + Air + Water + Earth/Soil = Planet of Earth - Sunnatullah

      The formula to combine all the above elements is "just and balance" (Sunnatullah)

      Since, "just and balance" has no religion.

      Equally, the same principle can be applied to the business world, family institution or any other areas, ie. Policy, Communication, Expertise, and Persistence/Humble. It does not matter what you do, or how big is the tasks at hand or how big is your struggle with Islam. It is about monitoring and balancing these elements in whatever tasks in hand, balancing it in our life.

      Solat. Perfection (Khusyu&#039.

      This is jihad.

      Peace.

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        Jihad

        And those who believe in Allah and His Messengers
        they are the Siddiqun
        and the martyrs (syahid) with their Lord
        they shall have their reward and their light
        But those who disbelieve
        and deny Our Ayat (disobedience)
        they shall be the dwellers of the blazing Fire
        (<a href="http//quran.com/57/19">5719</a&gt

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          Salaam Savage_Carrot,

          This was what I meant with my short phrases. Thank you.

          God bless you

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            Salam,

            I believe if it is true that Muhammad was performing solah.

            He is not communicating the "ritual prayer", and the idea of religion.

            He knew that the Ummah will revert back to the "idea of religion" and "rituals".

            Therefore, he is communicating and preserving the "meaning of Islam from that ritual prayer"

            The same way how human communicate and preserving messages thousand years ago.

            Through "symbols" and "statues".

            Is he brilliant or not? )

            Peace

            And in whatever thing you disagree <-- Formula for Unity - "Quran Alone" vs. "Allah Alone"
            the judgment thereof is (in) Allah's (hand)
            that is Allah
            my Lord
            on Him do I rely
            and to Him do I turn
            time after time

            The Originator of the heavens and the earth

            He made mates for you from among yourselves <-- Differences / Descriptions
            and mates of the cattle too
            multiplying you thereby
            nothing like a likeness of Him
            and He is the Hearing
            the Seeing

            His are the treasures of the heavens and the earth
            He makes ample and straitens the means of subsistence
            for whom He pleases
            surely He is Cognizant of all things

            He has made plain to you <-- What is Islam
            of the Din (l-dni)
            what He enjoined upon Nuh
            and that which We have revealed to you
            and that which We enjoined upon Ibrahim
            and Musa
            and Isa
            that keep to obedience
            and be not divided therein

            hard to the unbelievers is that which you call them to <-- Challenges - Mushrikeen (<a href="http//quran.com/30/32">3032</a&gt

            Allah chooses for Himself whom He pleases
            and guides to Himself him who turns (to Him), frequently

            And they did not become divided <-- Religion & Division
            until after knowledge had come to them
            out of envy among themselves

            and had not a word gone forth from your Lord till an appointed term
            certainly judgment would have been given between them
            and those who were made to inherit the Book after them
            are most surely in disquieting doubt concerning it

            To this then go on inviting <-- Task for Muslims
            and go on steadfastly
            on the right way
            as you are commanded
            and do not follow their low desires
            and say

            I believe in what Allah has revealed of the Book
            and I am commanded to do justice between you <-- role as Mediators and Conciliators
            Allah is our Lord and your Lord vs. Provoker & create more divisions
            we shall have our deeds
            and you shall have your deeds
            no plea need there be (now) between us and you
            Allah will gather us together
            and to Him is the return

            And (as for) those who dispute about Allah <-- Warning
            after that obedience has been rendered to Him
            their plea is null with their Lord
            and upon them is wrath
            and for them is severe punishment

            (<a href="http//quran.com/42/10-16">4210-16</a&gt

            A Muslim must now learn how to become Negotiator, Mediator and Conciliator. There is no religion and it is not about to spread Islam, since Islam is not a religion. It is about to spread peace, harmony and unity in the society. It's about benefiting humanity, kindness to His creation and giving to relatives. This is how people from different backgrounds and traditions are able to accept Islam by our Prophet Muhammad pbuh. Unconditional acceptance (respect) of world religious practices and balancing what is just to every living creatures. This is "Din of Islam".

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              Salam

              "Allah Alone"
              = Prostrate to Allah Alone
              = Sunni
              = Syiah
              = Khawarij
              = Muktazilah
              = Tasawuf
              = Sufism
              = Wahabi
              = Quranism etc.

              God/Self Alone
              = Hinduism
              = Buddhism
              = Christian
              = Judaism
              = Atheism (Self = God)
              = Other religions etc

              "Qur'an Alone" (Book, Guidance)
              = Prostrate to Allah + Sunnatullah (Khalif)
              = Objective of Khalif -> Manager (To understand Just and Balance - To understand Sunnatullah)
              = Manager -> To manage the Earth -> Negotiator, Mediator and Conciliator
              = To bring Balance
              -> Balance bring Justice
              -> Justice bring Harmony
              -> Harmony bring Security
              -> Security bring Happiness
              -> Happiness bring Love
              -> Love bring Satisfaction
              -> Satisfaction bring Alhamdulillah
              -> Alhamdulillah bring Fear (of losing Allah's attention/guidance etc ..
              as those person who are in deep love)
              -> Fear will motivate us to become better human being -> Khalif
              -> Khalif -> Reality
              -> Reality -> Allah
              = Din of Islam

              Peace

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                FIRE

                (Philosophical aspect - Fire is always in a standing position - Hablum Minallah)

                http//s13.postimg.org/f0sag5q85/solat.png

                Law and order within ourselves, not to others.

                We are giving unconditional freedom to others according to the Qur'an, promoting peace and harmony.

                We cannot change others, we can only change ourselves.

                Fire -> South -> Asmaullah -> Alif -> Standing position

                What should we stand for, within ourselves?

                1. Allah and the Qur'an (Hadith) as our guidance.

                2. The attributes in the 99 names of Allah.

                These qualities should be existed in ourselves.

                1 The Greatest Name Allah
                2 The All-Compassionate Ar-Rahman
                3 The All-Merciful Ar-Rahim
                4 The Absolute Ruler Al-Malik
                5 The Pure One Al-Quddus
                6 The Source of Peace As-Salam
                7 The Inspirer of Faith Al-Mu'min
                8 The Guardian Al-Muhaymin
                9 The Victorious Al-Aziz
                10 The Compeller Al-Jabbar
                11 The Greatest Al-Mutakabbir
                12 The Creator Al-Khaliq
                13 The Maker of Order Al-Bari'
                14 The Shaper of Beauty Al-Musawwir
                15 The Forgiving Al-Ghaffar
                16 The Subduer Al-Qahhar
                17 The Giver of All Al-Wahhab
                18 The Sustainer Ar-Razzaq
                19 The Opener Al-Fattah
                20 The Knower of All Al-Alim 21 The Constrictor Al-Qabid 22 The Reliever Al-Basit 23 The Abaser Al-Khafid 24 The Exalter Ar-Rafi 25 The Bestower of Honors Al-Mu'izz 26 The Humiliator Al-Mudhill 27 The Hearer of All As-Sami 28 The Seer of All Al-Basir 29 The Judge Al-Hakam 30 The Just Al-Adl
                31 The Subtle One Al-Latif
                32 The All-Aware Al-Khabir
                33 The Forbearing Al-Halim
                34 The Magnificent Al-Azim
                35 The Forgiver and Hider of Faults Al-Ghafur
                36 The Rewarder of Thankfulness Ash-Shakur
                37 The Highest Al-Ali
                38 The Greatest Al-Kabir
                39 The Preserver Al-Hafiz
                40 The Nourisher Al-Muqit
                41 The Accounter Al-Hasib
                42 The Mighty Al-Jalil
                43 The Generous Al-Karim
                44 The Watchful One Ar-Raqib
                45 The Responder to Prayer Al-Mujib
                46 The All-Comprehending Al-Wasi
                47 The Perfectly Wise Al-Hakim
                48 The Loving One Al-Wadud
                49 The Majestic One Al-Majid
                50 The Resurrector Al-Ba'ith
                51 The Witness Ash-Shahid
                52 The Truth Al-Haqq
                53 The Trustee Al-Wakil
                54 The Possessor of All Strength Al-Qawiyy
                55 The Forceful One Al-Matin
                56 The Governor Al-Waliyy
                57 The Praised One Al-Hamid
                58 The Appraiser Al-Muhsi
                59 The Originator Al-Mubdi'
                60 The Restorer Al-Mu'id
                61 The Giver of Life Al-Muhyi
                62 The Taker of Life Al-Mumit
                63 The Ever Living One Al-Hayy
                64 The Self-Existing One Al-Qayyum
                65 The Finder Al-Wajid
                66 The Glorious Al-Majid
                67 The One, the All Inclusive, The Indivisible Al-Wahid
                68 The Satisfier of All Needs As-Samad
                69 The All Powerful Al-Qadir
                70 The Creator of All Power Al-Muqtadir
                71 The Expediter Al-Muqaddim
                72 The Delayer Al-Mu'akhkhir
                73 The First Al-Awwal
                74 The Last Al-Akhir
                75 The Manifest One Az-Zahir
                76 The Hidden One Al-Batin
                77 The Protecting Friend Al-Wali
                78 The Supreme One Al-Muta'ali
                79 The Doer of Good Al-Barr
                80 The Guide to Repentance At-Tawwab
                81 The Avenger Al-Muntaqim
                82 The Forgiver Al-'Afuww
                83 The Clement Ar-Ra'uf
                84 The Owner of All Malik-al-Mulk
                85 The Lord of Majesty and Bounty Dhu-al-Jalal wa-al-Ikram
                86 The Equitable One Al-Muqsit
                87 The Gatherer Al-Jami'
                88 The Rich One Al-Ghani
                89 The Enricher Al-Mughni
                90 The Preventer of Harm Al-Mani'
                91 The Creator of The Harmful Ad-Darr
                92 The Creator of Good An-Nafi'
                93 The Light An-Nur
                94 The Guide Al-Hadi
                95 The Originator Al-Badi
                96 The Everlasting One Al-Baqi
                97 The Inheritor of All Al-Warith
                98 The Righteous Teacher Ar-Rashid
                99 The Patient One As-Sabur

                We cannot expect to enter Allah's heaven without these attributes.

                Living happily in heaven while our action is inconsistent with Allah's attributes, Allah wishes?

                Therefore, we should understand Allah's attributes, and mirror it in our daily action.

                How to understand?

                From reading the Qur'an, and it's priority according to the Allah's command in the Qur'an.

                These are the conducts that are "Just and Balance".

                Conducts that will qualify for the Allah's heaven, and conduct of the Prophets.

                Righteous conduct .. to understand and "balance" all these attributes within ourselves.

                Peace.

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                  And not just in that scenario.Why single out iblis as prostrating to 'Allah Alone' when everything does? If you don't factor the willingness or lack thereof, then it's just selective for no good reason.

                  Salam,

                  Angels prostrate to Allah and Adam.

                  Peace.

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                    Salam savage_carrot and Ors.,

                    Premise 1 Allah is "1" (<a href="http//quran.com/112">Sura 112</a&gt
                    Premise 2 Creation is "0"
                    Conclusion Therefore, nothing exists independently and outside/inside* of Allah.

                    • There is no outside or inside. There is only Allah, since Allah is "1".

                    #36 And to Allah belongs the east and the west
                    So wherever you turn
                    there is the Face of Allah

                    Thus the issues ...

                    What are the differences between Allah and His Creation?
                    What's the line separating Allah and His Creation, from the Qur'an?

                    The answer is in the Qur'an, and for those who are searching for truth and knows the reality; Comparison

                    • La ilaha illallah.
                    • Those who are "Idol Worshippers"/"God Alone"; ie. God =1, Creation = 1.1, 1.2, 1.3.. (division)
                    • Definition of "god' (<a href="http//quran.com/45/23">4523</a&gt.
                    • Whether Allah is God/god?
                    • What is "matter"?

                    Please correct me if I'm wrong; ie. that Allah is "1", and the Creation is "1".

                    Peace.

                    And when your Lord said to the angels
                    "Indeed, I will make upon the earth a successive authority"
                    They said,
                    "Will You place upon it one who causes corruption therein and sheds blood
                    while we declare Your praise and sanctify You?"
                    Allah said
                    "Indeed, I know that which you do not know"
                    (<a href="http//quran.com/2/30">230</a&gt

                    And when We said to the angels
                    "Prostrate before Adam" <- "Allah or God Alone" vs "Qur'an Alone" (Allah's command)

                    so they prostrated

                    except for Iblees
                    He refused
                    and was arrogant
                    and became of
                    the disbelievers
                    (<a href="http//quran.com/2/34">234</a&gt

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                      Premise 1 Allah is "1" (<a href="http//quran.com/112">Sura 112</a&gt
                      Premise 2 Creation is "0"
                      Please correct me if I'm wrong; ie. that Allah is "1", and the Creation is "1".

                      Peace.

                      peace,

                      Allah is "0" - cannot be seen / beyond knowledge

                      creation is "1" - can be seen / within knowledge

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                        muslims
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                        peace,

                        Allah is "0" - cannot be seen / beyond knowledge

                        creation is "1" - can be seen / within knowledge

                        Salam DrGm,

                        So you are saying creation is "within knowledge"

                        and Allah is not within our knowledge.

                        Whatever within our knowledge is "1"

                        Therefore, Allah is "0" .. and Creation is "1"

                        The question...

                        What is existence?

                        How do you know you exist?

                        Can you prove to me your existence?

                        Peace.

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                          muslims
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                          Say He is Allah, the One! (<a href="http//quran.com/112/1">1121</a&gt

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                            Salam DrGm,

                            So you are saying creation is "within knowledge"

                            and Allah is not within our knowledge.

                            Therefore, Allah is "0" .. and Creation is "1"

                            The question...

                            How do you know you exist?

                            Peace.

                            peace,

                            • i believe.
                            • creation can be seen. so you ask How do you know you exist? this is within knowledge.
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                              peace,

                              • i believe.
                              • creation can be seen. so you ask How do you know you exist? this is within knowledge.

                              Salam DrGm,

                              What you have seen, is what have been interpreted by your "eyes", "senses" and "mind".

                              Internal vs. External, and this is not proof since your external image merely existed in your internal interpretation of self. It is only what you have seen (external) in your mind (internal). The whole world and creation is only existed in your mind. It is an image in your mind, the same way we are watching television.

                              Similarly, how do you know your "eyes" and "mind" exist?

                              Please prove to me that it is within your knowledge, that you exist, that you are "1".

                              Peace.

                              p/s more explanation, watch <a href="http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqnEGu8VF8Y">Perception - The reality beyond matter</a>

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                                peace,

                                when u ask a question to others / outside u then it is division. each division is one. meaning different, not same.

                                when u ask question to self. then it is one, existence

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                                  peace,

                                  when u ask a question to others / outside u then it is division. each division is one. meaning different, not same.

                                  when u ask question to self. then it is one, existence

                                  Salam DrGm,

                                  Sorry, you have to explain further. I cannot fully understand your explanation.

                                  My point is you are saying Allah is "0" and creations are "1" because it is within our knowledge that we're exist. Therefore, the issue for existence is "within our knowledge", and thus, I'm asking you to prove your existence, to prove what you've called a reality; ie. Creations are "1".

                                  You then said it is because what we have seen, through our senses and mind. This is not proof, because the whole world and what we have seen is only an "image in our mind" (internal), what have been interpreted by our "senses and mind", whereas proof for existence is something that are "external from our mind".

                                  Similarly, we can disregard everything and discuss on one single definition, ie. based on the definition that all matter is made up of tiny particles called atoms. Therefore, can you prove that it is within our knowledge that atomic particle or space exist? That it's existence not merely an image in our mind (internal), or interpretation of our brain (atoms) from the input of our senses.

                                  Therefore, please provide proof that it is within your knowledge that your eyes and brain exist.

                                  Peace.

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                                    peace,

                                    My point is you are saying Allah is "0" and creations are "1" because it is within our knowledge that we're exist. Therefore, the issue for existence is "within our knowledge", and thus, I'm asking you to prove your existence, to prove what you've called realities; ie. Creations are "1".

                                    when i said 'within knowledge; you deduced as existence.

                                    so, existence is which can be seen and is within knowledge. all knowledge / which can be seen by our senses is perishable by a time-frame. all which can be seen/figure is "1" that is perishable. because it is perishable, it is not true.

                                    all creation starts from "0" (1967). when it is created it is "1" and then there are many ones except the One "0" that cannot be defined by your knowledge i.e., beyond knowledge.

                                    present is reality; past is dead, knowledge is past. proving reality is no need; proving dead has no use. what is prove?

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                                      And when your Lord said to the angels
                                      "Indeed, I will make upon the earth
                                      a successive authority" <-- Purpose of creation - Khalif (Manager)

                                      They said
                                      "Will You place upon it one
                                      who causes corruption therein <-- Khalif - To manage the earth and in these kind of situations.
                                      and sheds blood
                                      while we declare Your praise and sanctify You?"

                                      Allah said, "Indeed, I know that which you do not know" <-- Creation is "0"

                                      And He taught Adam <-- Knowledge of the Unseen? (see below)
                                      the names<-- It is unreasonable to interpret that Allah teaches Adam the name of animals,
                                      all of them insects, mosquitoes etc. The angels already knew these names.
                                      Then He showed them to the angels and said
                                      "Inform Me of the names of these, if you are truthful"

                                      They said
                                      "Exalted are You
                                      we have no knowledge
                                      except what You have taught us
                                      Indeed, it is You who is the Knowing, the Wise."

                                      He said
                                      "O Adam, inform them of their names"
                                      And when he had informed them of their names, He said
                                      "Did I not tell you
                                      that I know the unseen <-- Knowledge of the Unseen? Allah's names & Sunnatullah?
                                      of the heavens and the earth?
                                      And I know what you reveal
                                      and what you have concealed"

                                      And when We said to the angels
                                      "Prostrate before Adam" <-- Prostrate to Adam or his function/knowledge of just & balance?
                                      so they prostrated His Objective. Functional definition? Obviously Adam is not god.
                                      except for Iblees <-- Iblees claim he has better knowledge?
                                      He refused
                                      and was arrogant
                                      and became of the disbelievers

                                      And We said
                                      "O Adam, dwell, you and your wife, in Paradise
                                      and eat therefrom in abundance from wherever you will
                                      But DO NOT approach this tree <-- The Sunnatullah?
                                      lest you be among the wrongdoers"

                                      But Satan caused them to slip out of it <-- Breach of Sunnatullah
                                      and removed them from that
                                      in which they had been

                                      And We said <-- Consequence of breaching the Sunnatullah
                                      "Go down,
                                      as enemies to one another <-- Problem. Call for Khalif's function & knowledge.
                                      and you will have upon the earth
                                      a place of settlement
                                      and provision for a time."

                                      Then Adam received from his Lord
                                      words <-- Improve self.
                                      and He accepted his repentance
                                      Indeed, it is He who is the Accepting of repentance
                                      the Merciful.

                                      We said
                                      "Go down from it
                                      all of you
                                      And when guidance comes to you from Me <-- Solution. Follow the Prophet or his knowledge?
                                      whoever follows Dayn - Debt - Duty - Compliance with Sunnatullah
                                      My guidance <-- The Qur'an, Just and Balance
                                      there will be no fear concerning them
                                      nor will they grieve

                                      And those who disbelieve
                                      and deny Our signs <-- Obedience or disobedience? "DO NOT" prohibition
                                      those will be companions of the Fire
                                      they will abide therein eternally."

                                      (<a href="http//quran.com/2/30-39">230-39</a&gt

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                                        peace,
                                        when i said 'within knowledge; you deduced as existence.

                                        so, existence is which can be seen and is within knowledge. all knowledge / which can be seen by our senses is perishable by a time-frame. all which can be seen/figure is "1" that is perishable. because it is perishable, it is not true.

                                        all creation starts from "0" (1967). when it is created it is "1" and then there are many ones except the One "0" that cannot be defined by your knowledge i.e., beyond knowledge.

                                        present is reality; past is dead, knowledge is past. proving reality is no need; proving dead has no use. what is prove?

                                        Salam DrGm,

                                        We can never find out the answer
                                        unless you can back up your argument by proving your existence
                                        and even to the level of atomic particles

                                        Something that is not merely existed from the "image and interpretation of our mind".
                                        (lesson from dreaming during our sleep - it is not reality)

                                        If you cannot prove, then that's what Allah said

                                        "I know that which you do not know"

                                        So human must stop making decisions in the name of Allah (<a href="http//quran.com/10/39">1039</a&gt

                                        And they need to follow Allah's command, the guidance...

                                        Even if it is an order to prostrate to any other than Allah.

                                        Only then will Allah guide us to reality .. the truth on the issue,

                                        as what you've said, Allah is "0", we are "1" after being created, and there are many ones.

                                        On my part, Allah is "1", we are "0" because we cannot prove our own existence or matter..

                                        much or less equal to our dreams .. and in search for the reality .. according to Allah's guidance (<a href="http//quran.com/2/18">218</a&gt.

                                        Peace.

                                        Say "He is Allah, One. (<a href="http//quran.com/112/1">1121</a&gt

                                        He begets not, nor was He begotten. (<a href="http//quran.com/112/3">1123</a&gt

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                                          Salam DrGm,

                                          We can never find out the answer
                                          unless you can back up your argument by proving your existence
                                          and even to the level of atomic particles

                                          peace,

                                          i have no arguments. you said creation is "0". for me it is from "0". meaning -which we do not know is with Allah. unless HE reveals /creates we will not know it. that which is known is knowledge. purpose of this knowledge is to use /benefit good and get away/ avoid from bad.

                                          when i see a object, i will say there is "1", now i need knowledge to use it. this knowledge has to be taught from Allah.

                                          when i not see then i will say there is nothing "0". to me from nothing He creates and this creation is 1.

                                          said this, i really don't know what/why you want me to prove my existence. what way that will help you. is that anyway going to improve my understanding of what you say. in that case answer from your perspective, i will try to understand.

                                          i really have no arguments. arguments will not yield. unless Allah teach us.

                                          peace.

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