What is Islam?

muslims

What does it take to move Islam from "Religion" to "Deen"?

Less concern on what is right or wrong

but more concern on unity and benefiting humanity

just and balance

Compare it with <a href="http//wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Staff_and_contractors">Wikimedia</a>... how they changed the world.

Video Inside Wikimedia
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9-CovbP-7U

http//3.bp.blogspot.com/-imNucNmOIUo/UYBIaJ-8neI/AAAAAAAAA8I/skQ_-1L2Uu8/s1600/baitulmal-wikimedia-2-740054.jpg

The only difference is that everyone must be "Khalifa"...

Understanding of "<a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335472#msg335472">Solat</a>", anything is possible with the help of Allah.

jhonsonmustafa

What does it take to move Islam from "Religion" to "Deen"?

Less concern on what is right or wrong

but more concern on unity and benefiting humanity

just and balance

Compare it with <a href="http//wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Staff_and_contractors">Wikimedia</a>... how they changed the world.

Video Inside Wikimedia
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9-CovbP-7U

http//3.bp.blogspot.com/-imNucNmOIUo/UYBIaJ-8neI/AAAAAAAAA8I/skQ_-1L2Uu8/s1600/baitulmal-wikimedia-2-740054.jpg

The only difference is that everyone must be "Khalifa"...

Understanding of "<a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335472#msg335472">Solat</a>", anything is possible with the help of Allah.

Dear Brother,

This is not to hurt you and please check with others too.
Where as Quran Says "Quran is the most easiest one to understand" where as your postings shifting off from Quran.

muslims

Dear Brother,

This is not to hurt you and please check with others too.
Where as Quran Says "Quran is the most easiest one to understand" where as your postings shifting off from Quran.

Salam jhonsonmustafa,

Where did I shift from the Qur'an?

Please provide proof.

Peace brother.

<a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335571#msg335571">What is right and wrong in a religion, sect or group of peoples?</a>

<a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335750#msg335750">Allah gave unconditional freedom for us to focus on "Unity"
and less concern on what is right or wrong in other religions etc.</a>

hawk99

Peace muslims,

Quran = fire please provide ayat/ayats

Enough with the pictures already! brickwall

God bless

peace

muslims

Peace muslims,

Quran = fire please provide ayat/ayats

Enough with the pictures already! brickwall

God bless

peace

Salam hawk99,

That is a "philosophical" statement, and for easy understanding of our true mission in life.

You can refer to my previous post where I repeatedly say it is a philosophical statement.

Accordingly, you can reject the statement and it does not represent the truth.

It is my philosophy, my analogy and rational thoughts, not yours.

Some may agree, some may reject, and there is no obligation to accept it as the truth.

Peace brother.

Now, just a philosophical statement...

as to the meaning of solat

<a href="http//www.thefreedictionary.com/philosophy">phi?los?o?phy (f-ls-f)</a>
n. pl. phi?los?o?phies

Love and pursuit of wisdom by intellectual means and moral self-discipline.
Investigation of the nature, causes, or principles of reality, knowledge, or values,
based on logical reasoning rather than empirical methods.
A system of thought based on or involving such inquiry the philosophy of Hume.
The critical analysis of fundamental assumptions or beliefs.
The disciplines presented in university curriculums of science and the liberal arts,
except medicine, law, and theology.
The discipline comprising logic, ethics, aesthetics, metaphysics, and epistemology.
A set of ideas or beliefs relating to a particular field or activity; an underlying theory
an original philosophy of advertising.
A system of values by which one lives has an unusual philosophy of life.

Free-Minds Introduction

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This website invites all people of various beliefs (Sunni, Shia, Christian, Jewish, Buddhist, Hindu, Bahai, Agnostic, Humanist, and even Atheists) to come and examine for themselves the system of Submission/Islam which is based on God Alone.

Many of you may outwardly be content with your current faith or that which you inherited from your parents and community...but to some out there, there will always be a tugging at the back of their mind that 'there is something more', and that 'some things don't always make sense'...

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hawk99

Peace muslims,

Thank you for your response, however, I personally prefer God's word over man's.
God's word is true, whereas man's word can be taken with a grain of salt.

God bless

peace

muslims

Peace muslims,

Thank you for your response, however, I personally prefer God's word over man's.
God's word is true, whereas man's word can be taken with a grain of salt.

God bless

peace

Salam hawk99,

Very much respected, however, I personally prefer God's word and rational thoughts over dogma (<a href="http//quran.com/8/22">822</a&gt. There's so much more than the Qur'an (<a href="http//quran.com/24/35">2435</a> an introductory Book, Guidance or Manual.

God bless. pr

hawk99

Salam hawk99,

Very much respected, however, I personally prefer God's word and rational thoughts over dogma (<a href="http//quran.com/8/22">822</a&gt.

God bless. pr

Agreed

Be careful, rational thought can be dependent on the speaker/audience. To some Adolph
Hitler was rational! Whereas the word of God brings one to the ultimate goal.

God bless

peace

muslims

Agreed

Be careful, rational thought can be dependent on the speaker/audience. To some Adolph
Hitler was rational! Whereas the word of God brings one to the ultimate goal.

God bless

peace

Salam hawk99,

What happen to your belief that Allah will guide us?

By the way, Adolph Hitler was not rational in a way suggested by the Qur'an.

God bless.

hawk99

Peace muslims,

Allah will surely guide the believers, for we hear and obey, but one must be careful
because shaytayn also speaks.

Adolph Hitler was far from rational, but many thought he was rational.

If you ask them, "Who created the heavens and the earth?" they will say,
"GOD." Say, "Why then do you set up idols beside GOD? If GOD willed any adversity
for me, can they relieve such an adversity? And if He willed a blessing for me, can they
prevent such a blessing?" Say, "GOD is sufficient for me." In Him the trusters shall trust.

Quran = fire = not from God, then from who?

God bless

peace

Man_of_Faith

Salaam,

We cannot ignore the fact that the age of the scripture has made it difficult to interpret properly. Bias, natural and deliberate changes of word meaning and all sorts of things affect the interpretation.

It was already proven with 434 for example.

God bless you

muslims

Peace muslims,

Allah will surely guide the believers, for we hear and obey, but one must be careful
because shaytayn also speaks.

Adolph Hitler was far from rational, but many thought he was rational.

If you ask them, "Who created the heavens and the earth?" they will say,
"GOD." Say, "Why then do you set up idols beside GOD? If GOD willed any adversity
for me, can they relieve such an adversity? And if He willed a blessing for me, can they
prevent such a blessing?" Say, "GOD is sufficient for me." In Him the trusters shall trust.

Quran = fire = not from God, then from who?

God bless

peace

Salam hawk99,

It is better to fully understand an argument before making an opposition.

Secondly ... why "be careful"?

Indeed, there is for him (Shaytan)
no authority
over those
who have believed
and rely upon their Lord
(<a href="http//quran.com/16/99">1699</a&gt

Thirdly, what is "rational" according to the Qur'an?

For example, (<a href="http//quran.com/2/18">218</a&gt .. what does it mean to be deaf, dumb and blind?

What does Allah refer to?

God bless.

muslims

There's so much more than the Qur'an (<a href="http//quran.com/24/35">2435</a> an introductory Book, Guidance or Manual.

Sunnatullah
Just and Balance

He created
the heavens
and earth
in truth

High is He above
what they associate with Him

He created man
from a sperm-drop
then at once
he is a clear adversary

And the grazing livestock
He has created for you
in them is warmth
and benefits
and from them you eat

And for you in them
is beauty
when you bring them in
and when you send them out

And they carry your loads
to a land
you could not have reached
except with difficulty to yourselves

Indeed, your Lord is Kind and Merciful

And
the horses
mules
and donkeys
for you to ride
and adornment

And He creates
that which you do not know

And upon Allah is the direction of the (right) way
and among
the various paths
are those deviating

And if He willed
He could have guided you all <-- Guided to what? Qur'an or the sign in the Sunnatullah?

It is He
who sends down
rain from the sky
from it is drink
and from it is foliage
in which you pasture

He causes to grow for you
thereby the crops
olives
palm trees
grapevines
and from all the fruits

Indeed in that
is a sign
for a people
who give thought

And He has subjected for you
the night
and day
and the sun
and moon
and the stars
are subjected
by His command

Indeed in that
are signs
for a people
who reason

And whatever
He multiplied for you
on the earth
of varying colors

Indeed in that
is a sign
for a people
who remember

And it is He
who subjected the sea for you
to eat from it
tender meat
and to extract from it ornaments
which you wear

And you see the ships
plowing through it
and that you may seek
of His bounty
and perhaps
you will be grateful

And He has cast into the earth
firmly set mountains
lest it shift with you
and rivers
and roads
that you may be guided

And landmarks
And by the stars
they are guided

Then is He who creates like one who does not create?

So will you not be reminded?

Indeed
the worst of living creatures
in the sight of Allah
are the deaf
and dumb
who do not use reason
(<a href="http//quran.com/8/22">822</a&gt

The example of those
who were entrusted with the Torah
and then did not take it on
is like that
of a donkey
who carries volumes
Wretched is the example of the people
who deny
the signs of Allah
And Allah does not guide
the wrongdoing people
(<a href="http//quran.com/62/5">625</a&gt

hawk99

Peace Man of Faith,

The interpretation of scripture is not difficult at all. The main points of salvation are there in
Quran to insure that the adherent will have a safe journey to the ultimate goal.

Since I am not one to beat my wife, that portion of the ayat is of no need to me.

Peace muslims

Salam hawk99,

It is better to fully understand an argument before making an opposition.

Secondly ... why "be careful"?

Indeed, there is for him (Shaytan)
no authority
over those
who have believed
and rely upon their Lord
(<a href="http//quran.com/16/99">1699</a&gt

Thirdly, what is "rational" according to the Qur'an?

For example, (<a href="http//quran.com/2/18">218</a&gt .. what does it mean to be deaf, dumb and blind?

What does Allah refer to?

God bless.

2/18 is an allegorical directed at the hypocrites 2/8-19.

If you say Quran = fire you are not relying on your lord but something other than your lord.
Be careful of the "other" than your lord.

He sent down to you this scripture, containing straightforward verses?which
constitute the essence of the scripture?as well as multiple-meaning or allegorical verses.
Those who harbor doubts in their hearts will pursue the multiple-meaning verses to
create confusion, and to extricate a certain meaning. None knows the true meaning
thereof except GOD and those well founded in knowledge. They say, "We believe in
this?all of it comes from our Lord." Only those who possess intelligence will take heed.

I expect you to say "that does not apply to me".

God bless

peace

muslims

Peace muslims

2/18 is an allegorical directed at the hypocrites 2/8-19.

If you say Quran = fire you are not relying on your lord but something other than your lord.
Be careful of the "other" than your lord.

He sent down to you this scripture, containing straightforward verses?which
constitute the essence of the scripture?as well as multiple-meaning or allegorical verses.
Those who harbor doubts in their hearts will pursue the multiple-meaning verses to
create confusion, and to extricate a certain meaning. None knows the true meaning
thereof except GOD and those well founded in knowledge. They say, "We believe in
this?all of it comes from our Lord." Only those who possess intelligence will take heed.

I expect you to say "that does not apply to me".

God bless

peace

Salam hawk99,

By the way, Adolph Hitler was not rational in a way suggested by the Qur'an.

Adolph Hitler was far from rational, but many thought he was rational.

Since you are saying 218 is allegorical ...

Then why you are inconsistently suggesting "rational thought according to the Qur'an" is equal to "rational thought of Adolf Hitler", and even far advance than the "rational thought according to the Qur'an"?

What is "rational thought according to the Qur'an"?

and

What is "rational thought of Adolf Hitler"?

Secondly, "Qur'an (fire)" does not equal to "Qur'an = fire"

It is also allegorical to assume "Qur'an (fire)" is "Qur'an = fire" since I'm a born Muslim, living in a Muslim's country, and understand the Qur'an is not Fire. Further, the composition and the context of "Qur'an (fire)" is not equal to "Qur'an = fire". What does in brackets mean?

Round brackets (also called parentheses) are mainly used to separate off information that isn?t essential to the meaning of the rest of the sentence. <a href="http//oxforddictionaries.com/words/brackets">Reference</a>

That's why it is better for you to fully understand an argument, its conclusion, premises and assumptions before making an opposition. This is critical thinking.

God bless. pr

hawk99

Peace muslims,

I apparently cannot get through to you, maybe we have a language barrier.

I make an easy sentences like "so and so is rational according to some" and you do not
understand such a simple sentence, how can that be?

Did you say Quran equals fire was allegorical? Your posts are long, meandering,
and contain pictures so I may have missed your point in that regard. Why can't
the Quran just be the word of God, what's with the esoterics anyway?

God bless

peace

muslims

Peace muslims,

I apparently cannot get through to you, maybe we have a language barrier.

I make an easy sentences like "so and so is rational according to some" and you do not
understand such a simple sentence, how can that be?

Did you say Quran equals fire was allegorical? Your posts are long, meandering,
and contain pictures so I may have missed your point in that regard. Why can't
the Quran just be the word of God, what's with the esoterics anyway?

God bless

peace

Salam hawk99,

Okay, maybe you do not understand what is a "bracket", and your objection is not so serious to be taken into consideration.

( ) vs. =

God bless you. pr

Bender

The Heavens and the Earth shall obey Adam

Salam

He it is Who created for you all that is in the earth, and He directed Himself to the heaven, so He made them complete seven heavens, and He knows all things. And when your Lord said to the angels, I am going to place in the earth a khalif, who shall know the earth and heavens as taught by Allah.

Please note the bold parts above and write your ante to it.

Salaam,

RED If you refer to a verse then please give the verse numbers it makes it easy for the readers especially if you use a translation.
I guess you are referring here to 229 and part of 230

GREEN yes I know the bold part, it says A khalif and not MY khalif

BLUE I do not understand what you meant here.

And to your next doubt if I actually understand what I am saying, read below

GREEN Not sure what you think I am doubting, I am very certain of what I am saying.

BLUE typo?

And He taught adam all the names in the heavens and the earth. Then presented them to the angels - which knowledge they never possessed.

And when Allah said to the angels Make obeisance to adam; they did obeisance.

The angels shall obey adam's command by Allah's leave

BLUE I think you misunderstood.
Allah commands almalaikat to do sujud to Adam, that does not mean that Adam can command almalaikat.

Did you ever commanded an malaikat? If so I like to know how and what you commandd them.

even as the most powerful eight of them carry the entire domain of Allah's heavens and earth, the arsh. Allah created the domain of the earth and the heavens for adam and not for Himself, for He is needless of what we need or any of His own created things.

GREEN you did not give me an ayaat for this.

And ofcourse Allah is needless of any thing.

First we complete our understanding on this one, that the heavens and the earth shall obey adam, the possessor of its knowledge by the leave of Allah before going to your next part of the post.

They obey Allah and ONLY Allah. I really do not understand how you understand it.

Can you give me answer to this question
Allah commands the sun to rise from the east can you command it to rise from the west?

Besides this my initial comment was on "Allah has His khalifa on earth", do you still have the same understanding on this?

Salaam,
Bender

Bender

Salam Bender,

It is true, the specific words are not in the Qur'an, but it's descriptive definitions are everywhere in the Qur'an. Therefore, it is merely how human use their "rational thoughts" to understand how Allah represent Himself to human beings. To simplified for beginner students to understand Islam, and who are deaf, dumb and blind to understand reality. Is this wrong and are we prohibited from using our rational thoughts?

Salaamun alayka,

Sorry did not understand your point.

Salaam,
Bender

muslims

Salaamun alayka,

Sorry did not understand your point.

Salaam,
Bender

Salam Bender,

This is much like a Sunni Forum.

Peace