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    muslims
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    And when your Lord
    took from the children of Adam
    from their loins
    their descendants
    and made them testify of themselves
    , "Am I not your Lord?"
    They said, "Yes, we have testified."

    • lest you should say on the day of Resurrection
      "Indeed, we were of this unaware"
      (<a href="http//quran.com/7/172">7172</a&gt

    http//s24.postimg.org/jjnw1ifet/khalifa.png

    Sunnatullah
    Obedience (Allah)
    Unity (Adam)
    <a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335476#msg335476">(4210-16)</a>

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      diamantinehoneybunch
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      Salaam,

      These are -_-

      http//static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2012/9/14/1347647952612/Demonstrations-spread-to--007.jpg

      http//shariafreeusa.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/NetherlandsSharia.jpg

      http//theycallmejane.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/cat-looks-shocked.jpg?w=300&h=210
      SERIOUSLY WHAT THE...............................?


      http//www.onislam.net/english/oimedia/onislamen/images/mainimages/Terminological%20Chaos%20-%20Islamism%20political%20islam.jpg


      http//www.bbc.co.uk/bitesize/ks3/history/images/245_bitesize_ks3_history_medievalislam_infographic_516.png


      http//pbr280.photobucket.com/albums/kk178/grantland/i-dont-want-to-live-on-this-planet-anymore-11372-400x250.jpg?t=1336408115

      We shouldn't just sit and be idle. We must arise.


      Regards,
      Yuliana

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        muslims
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        Salam,

        We should start from the Qur'an (fire)...

        and then move to the Air element, communication (of Deen etc.), humanism, and benefiting humanity..

        God commands

        justice
        CREATING BALANCE
        in the society

        benefiting
        humanity

        kindness
        to His creation

        and giving
        to relatives

        (1690)

        Explosion (Fire) creates "Air"..
        "Air" will bring coolness (to humanity) and create "Water" (liquid, like, making their heart soft)...
        "Water" will blend with dusts (good and bad) and everything (unity, good and bad under one roof)..
        and create "Earth/Soil" (ground, security, strength)....
        This will create planet Earth (the foundation for building a house - Deen of Islam) ..
        balance and justice in the society (voice).

        Ignominy shall be their portion
        wheresoever they are found

        save (where they grasp)

        a rope from Allah <-- prostrate to Allah
        and
        a rope from men <-- prostrate to Adam

        (3112)

        Peace.

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          Salam hawk99,

          Then I hope to hear your comment on this

          And DO NOT eat of that on which Allah's name has not been mentioned
          and that is most surely a transgression
          and most surely the Shaitans suggest to their friends that they should contend with you
          and if you obey them, you (Muhammad) shall most surely be polytheists. (6121)

          For a simple reason of eating of that on which Allah's name has not been mentioned
          Even the Prophet would become associator, ie. not a Muslim
          Despite the syahadah, salat, fasting, zakat and sadaqah, hajj, jihad etc.......
          Prophet Muhammad will not be a Muslim if disobey the "DO NOT" prohibition (breach of contract).

          Now the question....

          1. Can we claim more privilege than the Prophet?

          2. Can you prove that we are allowed to ignore the "DO NOT" prohibition
            and still entitle to call ourselves a Muslim?

          Peace.

          Salam Muslims
          Sorry for interference but the last part of 6121

          is referring to you (plural) "innaKUM" and not to you (Muhammad)

          Peace

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            Salam Muslims
            Sorry for interference but the last part of 6121

            is referring to you (plural) "innaKUM" and not to you (Muhammad)

            Peace

            Salam,

            Sorry, I may have overlooked the issue.

            So does the "innaKUM" includes "Muhammad"?

            Peace brother.

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              What does it take to move Islam from "Religion" to "Deen"?

              Less concern on what is right or wrong

              but more concern on unity and benefiting humanity

              just and balance

              Compare it with <a href="http//wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Staff_and_contractors">Wikimedia</a>... how they changed the world.

              Video Inside Wikimedia
              http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9-CovbP-7U

              http//3.bp.blogspot.com/-imNucNmOIUo/UYBIaJ-8neI/AAAAAAAAA8I/skQ_-1L2Uu8/s1600/baitulmal-wikimedia-2-740054.jpg

              The only difference is that everyone must be "Khalifa"...

              Understanding of "<a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335472#msg335472">Solat</a>", anything is possible with the help of Allah.

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                jhonsonmustafa
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                What does it take to move Islam from "Religion" to "Deen"?

                Less concern on what is right or wrong

                but more concern on unity and benefiting humanity

                just and balance

                Compare it with <a href="http//wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Staff_and_contractors">Wikimedia</a>... how they changed the world.

                Video Inside Wikimedia
                http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9-CovbP-7U

                http//3.bp.blogspot.com/-imNucNmOIUo/UYBIaJ-8neI/AAAAAAAAA8I/skQ_-1L2Uu8/s1600/baitulmal-wikimedia-2-740054.jpg

                The only difference is that everyone must be "Khalifa"...

                Understanding of "<a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335472#msg335472">Solat</a>", anything is possible with the help of Allah.

                Dear Brother,

                This is not to hurt you and please check with others too.
                Where as Quran Says "Quran is the most easiest one to understand" where as your postings shifting off from Quran.

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                  Dear Brother,

                  This is not to hurt you and please check with others too.
                  Where as Quran Says "Quran is the most easiest one to understand" where as your postings shifting off from Quran.

                  Salam jhonsonmustafa,

                  Where did I shift from the Qur'an?

                  Please provide proof.

                  Peace brother.

                  <a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335571#msg335571">What is right and wrong in a religion, sect or group of peoples?</a>

                  <a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335750#msg335750">Allah gave unconditional freedom for us to focus on "Unity"
                  and less concern on what is right or wrong in other religions etc.</a>

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                    hawk99
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                    Peace muslims,

                    Quran = fire please provide ayat/ayats

                    Enough with the pictures already! brickwall

                    God bless

                    peace

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                      muslims
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                      Peace muslims,

                      Quran = fire please provide ayat/ayats

                      Enough with the pictures already! brickwall

                      God bless

                      peace

                      Salam hawk99,

                      That is a "philosophical" statement, and for easy understanding of our true mission in life.

                      You can refer to my previous post where I repeatedly say it is a philosophical statement.

                      Accordingly, you can reject the statement and it does not represent the truth.

                      It is my philosophy, my analogy and rational thoughts, not yours.

                      Some may agree, some may reject, and there is no obligation to accept it as the truth.

                      Peace brother.

                      Now, just a philosophical statement...

                      as to the meaning of solat

                      <a href="http//www.thefreedictionary.com/philosophy">phi?los?o?phy (f-ls-f)</a>
                      n. pl. phi?los?o?phies

                      1. Love and pursuit of wisdom by intellectual means and moral self-discipline.
                      2. Investigation of the nature, causes, or principles of reality, knowledge, or values,
                        based on logical reasoning rather than empirical methods.
                      3. A system of thought based on or involving such inquiry the philosophy of Hume.
                      4. The critical analysis of fundamental assumptions or beliefs.
                      5. The disciplines presented in university curriculums of science and the liberal arts,
                        except medicine, law, and theology.
                      6. The discipline comprising logic, ethics, aesthetics, metaphysics, and epistemology.
                      7. A set of ideas or beliefs relating to a particular field or activity; an underlying theory
                        an original philosophy of advertising.
                      8. A system of values by which one lives has an unusual philosophy of life.

                      Free-Minds Introduction

                      This website has been created for all people who have a desire to allow God into their lives and follow His path alone...

                      This website invites all people of various beliefs (Sunni, Shia, Christian, Jewish, Buddhist, Hindu, Bahai, Agnostic, Humanist, and even Atheists) to come and examine for themselves the system of Submission/Islam which is based on God Alone.

                      Many of you may outwardly be content with your current faith or that which you inherited from your parents and community...but to some out there, there will always be a tugging at the back of their mind that 'there is something more', and that 'some things don't always make sense'...

                      If you are one of those people, then open your eyes, put on your thinking cap, and welcome to an open examination of the system of Submission/Islam which very few know about...

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                        hawk99
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                        Peace muslims,

                        Thank you for your response, however, I personally prefer God's word over man's.
                        God's word is true, whereas man's word can be taken with a grain of salt.

                        God bless

                        peace

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                          muslims
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                          Peace muslims,

                          Thank you for your response, however, I personally prefer God's word over man's.
                          God's word is true, whereas man's word can be taken with a grain of salt.

                          God bless

                          peace

                          Salam hawk99,

                          Very much respected, however, I personally prefer God's word and rational thoughts over dogma (<a href="http//quran.com/8/22">822</a&gt. There's so much more than the Qur'an (<a href="http//quran.com/24/35">2435</a> an introductory Book, Guidance or Manual.

                          God bless. pr

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                            hawk99
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                            Salam hawk99,

                            Very much respected, however, I personally prefer God's word and rational thoughts over dogma (<a href="http//quran.com/8/22">822</a&gt.

                            God bless. pr

                            Agreed

                            Be careful, rational thought can be dependent on the speaker/audience. To some Adolph
                            Hitler was rational! Whereas the word of God brings one to the ultimate goal.

                            God bless

                            peace

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                              muslims
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                              #145

                              Agreed

                              Be careful, rational thought can be dependent on the speaker/audience. To some Adolph
                              Hitler was rational! Whereas the word of God brings one to the ultimate goal.

                              God bless

                              peace

                              Salam hawk99,

                              What happen to your belief that Allah will guide us?

                              By the way, Adolph Hitler was not rational in a way suggested by the Qur'an.

                              God bless.

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                                hawk99
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                                Peace muslims,

                                Allah will surely guide the believers, for we hear and obey, but one must be careful
                                because shaytayn also speaks.

                                Adolph Hitler was far from rational, but many thought he was rational.

                                If you ask them, "Who created the heavens and the earth?" they will say,
                                "GOD." Say, "Why then do you set up idols beside GOD? If GOD willed any adversity
                                for me, can they relieve such an adversity? And if He willed a blessing for me, can they
                                prevent such a blessing?" Say, "GOD is sufficient for me." In Him the trusters shall trust.

                                Quran = fire = not from God, then from who?

                                God bless

                                peace

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                                  Man_of_Faith
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                                  Salaam,

                                  We cannot ignore the fact that the age of the scripture has made it difficult to interpret properly. Bias, natural and deliberate changes of word meaning and all sorts of things affect the interpretation.

                                  It was already proven with 434 for example.

                                  God bless you

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                                    Peace muslims,

                                    Allah will surely guide the believers, for we hear and obey, but one must be careful
                                    because shaytayn also speaks.

                                    Adolph Hitler was far from rational, but many thought he was rational.

                                    If you ask them, "Who created the heavens and the earth?" they will say,
                                    "GOD." Say, "Why then do you set up idols beside GOD? If GOD willed any adversity
                                    for me, can they relieve such an adversity? And if He willed a blessing for me, can they
                                    prevent such a blessing?" Say, "GOD is sufficient for me." In Him the trusters shall trust.

                                    Quran = fire = not from God, then from who?

                                    God bless

                                    peace

                                    Salam hawk99,

                                    It is better to fully understand an argument before making an opposition.

                                    Secondly ... why "be careful"?

                                    Indeed, there is for him (Shaytan)
                                    no authority
                                    over those
                                    who have believed
                                    and rely upon their Lord
                                    (<a href="http//quran.com/16/99">1699</a&gt

                                    Thirdly, what is "rational" according to the Qur'an?

                                    For example, (<a href="http//quran.com/2/18">218</a&gt .. what does it mean to be deaf, dumb and blind?

                                    What does Allah refer to?

                                    God bless.

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                                      muslims
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                                      There's so much more than the Qur'an (<a href="http//quran.com/24/35">2435</a> an introductory Book, Guidance or Manual.

                                      Sunnatullah
                                      Just and Balance

                                      He created
                                      the heavens
                                      and earth
                                      in truth

                                      High is He above
                                      what they associate with Him

                                      He created man
                                      from a sperm-drop
                                      then at once
                                      he is a clear adversary

                                      And the grazing livestock
                                      He has created for you
                                      in them is warmth
                                      and benefits
                                      and from them you eat

                                      And for you in them
                                      is beauty
                                      when you bring them in
                                      and when you send them out

                                      And they carry your loads
                                      to a land
                                      you could not have reached
                                      except with difficulty to yourselves

                                      Indeed, your Lord is Kind and Merciful

                                      And
                                      the horses
                                      mules
                                      and donkeys
                                      for you to ride
                                      and adornment

                                      And He creates
                                      that which you do not know

                                      And upon Allah is the direction of the (right) way
                                      and among
                                      the various paths
                                      are those deviating

                                      And if He willed
                                      He could have guided you all <-- Guided to what? Qur'an or the sign in the Sunnatullah?

                                      It is He
                                      who sends down
                                      rain from the sky
                                      from it is drink
                                      and from it is foliage
                                      in which you pasture

                                      He causes to grow for you
                                      thereby the crops
                                      olives
                                      palm trees
                                      grapevines
                                      and from all the fruits

                                      Indeed in that
                                      is a sign
                                      for a people
                                      who give thought

                                      And He has subjected for you
                                      the night
                                      and day
                                      and the sun
                                      and moon
                                      and the stars
                                      are subjected
                                      by His command

                                      Indeed in that
                                      are signs
                                      for a people
                                      who reason

                                      And whatever
                                      He multiplied for you
                                      on the earth
                                      of varying colors

                                      Indeed in that
                                      is a sign
                                      for a people
                                      who remember

                                      And it is He
                                      who subjected the sea for you
                                      to eat from it
                                      tender meat
                                      and to extract from it ornaments
                                      which you wear

                                      And you see the ships
                                      plowing through it
                                      and that you may seek
                                      of His bounty
                                      and perhaps
                                      you will be grateful

                                      And He has cast into the earth
                                      firmly set mountains
                                      lest it shift with you
                                      and rivers
                                      and roads
                                      that you may be guided

                                      And landmarks
                                      And by the stars
                                      they are guided

                                      Then is He who creates like one who does not create?

                                      So will you not be reminded?

                                      <a href="http//quran.com/16/3-17">(163-17)</a>

                                      Indeed
                                      the worst of living creatures
                                      in the sight of Allah
                                      are the deaf
                                      and dumb
                                      who do not use reason
                                      (<a href="http//quran.com/8/22">822</a&gt

                                      The example of those
                                      who were entrusted with the Torah
                                      and then did not take it on
                                      is like that
                                      of a donkey
                                      who carries volumes
                                      Wretched is the example of the people
                                      who deny
                                      the signs of Allah
                                      And Allah does not guide
                                      the wrongdoing people
                                      (<a href="http//quran.com/62/5">625</a&gt

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                                        hawk99
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                                        Peace Man of Faith,

                                        The interpretation of scripture is not difficult at all. The main points of salvation are there in
                                        Quran to insure that the adherent will have a safe journey to the ultimate goal.

                                        Since I am not one to beat my wife, that portion of the ayat is of no need to me.

                                        Peace muslims

                                        Salam hawk99,

                                        It is better to fully understand an argument before making an opposition.

                                        Secondly ... why "be careful"?

                                        Indeed, there is for him (Shaytan)
                                        no authority
                                        over those
                                        who have believed
                                        and rely upon their Lord
                                        (<a href="http//quran.com/16/99">1699</a&gt

                                        Thirdly, what is "rational" according to the Qur'an?

                                        For example, (<a href="http//quran.com/2/18">218</a&gt .. what does it mean to be deaf, dumb and blind?

                                        What does Allah refer to?

                                        God bless.

                                        2/18 is an allegorical directed at the hypocrites 2/8-19.

                                        If you say Quran = fire you are not relying on your lord but something other than your lord.
                                        Be careful of the "other" than your lord.

                                        He sent down to you this scripture, containing straightforward verses?which
                                        constitute the essence of the scripture?as well as multiple-meaning or allegorical verses.
                                        Those who harbor doubts in their hearts will pursue the multiple-meaning verses to
                                        create confusion, and to extricate a certain meaning. None knows the true meaning
                                        thereof except GOD and those well founded in knowledge. They say, "We believe in
                                        this?all of it comes from our Lord." Only those who possess intelligence will take heed.

                                        I expect you to say "that does not apply to me".

                                        God bless

                                        peace

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                                          Peace muslims

                                          2/18 is an allegorical directed at the hypocrites 2/8-19.

                                          If you say Quran = fire you are not relying on your lord but something other than your lord.
                                          Be careful of the "other" than your lord.

                                          He sent down to you this scripture, containing straightforward verses?which
                                          constitute the essence of the scripture?as well as multiple-meaning or allegorical verses.
                                          Those who harbor doubts in their hearts will pursue the multiple-meaning verses to
                                          create confusion, and to extricate a certain meaning. None knows the true meaning
                                          thereof except GOD and those well founded in knowledge. They say, "We believe in
                                          this?all of it comes from our Lord." Only those who possess intelligence will take heed.

                                          I expect you to say "that does not apply to me".

                                          God bless

                                          peace

                                          Salam hawk99,

                                          By the way, Adolph Hitler was not rational in a way suggested by the Qur'an.

                                          Adolph Hitler was far from rational, but many thought he was rational.

                                          Since you are saying 218 is allegorical ...

                                          Then why you are inconsistently suggesting "rational thought according to the Qur'an" is equal to "rational thought of Adolf Hitler", and even far advance than the "rational thought according to the Qur'an"?

                                          What is "rational thought according to the Qur'an"?

                                          and

                                          What is "rational thought of Adolf Hitler"?

                                          Secondly, "Qur'an (fire)" does not equal to "Qur'an = fire"

                                          It is also allegorical to assume "Qur'an (fire)" is "Qur'an = fire" since I'm a born Muslim, living in a Muslim's country, and understand the Qur'an is not Fire. Further, the composition and the context of "Qur'an (fire)" is not equal to "Qur'an = fire". What does in brackets mean?

                                          Round brackets (also called parentheses) are mainly used to separate off information that isn?t essential to the meaning of the rest of the sentence. <a href="http//oxforddictionaries.com/words/brackets">Reference</a>

                                          That's why it is better for you to fully understand an argument, its conclusion, premises and assumptions before making an opposition. This is critical thinking.

                                          God bless. pr

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