What is Islam?

[jhonsonmustafa]

And whoever seeks a "dnan" (&#1575 other than Islam
it will NEVER be accepted of him
and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers
(385)

Peace Brother.

See views will be different and my view is follows as. Since we are talking about Islam we have to be up most careful about
discussion and debate beautifully and peacefully. And there is no force in Islam.Force is against Islam.

The Blessed prophet Sulaimon did not uses force in spite of having Army of Men, Jins, Birds and Malaiks from Gins and men, and Biggest Army ever did not use FORCE. He is the best example of ISLAM run government.

Prophet Yousuf ran the Government in distribution of food in the best way.

But Islam is highest individual level of attainment recognized by Almighty (212
but not a collective one.

Islam can not be achieved by collective by means of Movement, Organization, Aids, you tube. Islam is one to one between the
individual and Almighty. The like mindedness thus forms the Group and will be united wherever they are. This is the command of GOD he will unite the Followers of Prophet Ibrahim where ever they are.

Thus Islam is dignified group of people united together. They will not make any movements rather they act individually with satisfaction of GOD.

[DrGm]

Peace Brother.

See views will be different and my view is follows as. Since we are talking about Islam we have to be up most careful about
discussion and debate beautifully and peacefully. And there is no force in Islam.Force is against Islam.

The Blessed prophet Sulaimon did not uses force in spite of having Army of Men, Jins, Birds and Malaiks from Gins and men, and Biggest Army ever did not use FORCE. He is the best example of ISLAM run government.

Prophet Yousuf ran the Government in distribution of food in the best way.

But Islam is highest individual level of attainment recognized by Almighty (212
but not a collective one.

Islam can not be achieved by collective by means of Movement, Organization, Aids, you tube. Islam is one to one between the
individual and Almighty. The like mindedness thus forms the Group and will be united wherever they are. This is the command of GOD he will unite the Followers of Prophet Ibrahim where ever they are.

Thus Islam is dignified group of people united together. They will not make any movements rather they act individually with satisfaction of GOD.

peace brother,

may Allah shower us His blessings.

peace

[muslims]

Peace Brother.

See views will be different and my view is follows as. Since we are talking about Islam we have to be up most careful about
discussion and debate beautifully and peacefully. And there is no force in Islam.Force is against Islam.

The Blessed prophet Sulaimon did not uses force in spite of having Army of Men, Jins, Birds and Malaiks from Gins and men, and Biggest Army ever did not use FORCE. He is the best example of ISLAM run government.

Prophet Yousuf ran the Government in distribution of food in the best way.

But Islam is highest individual level of attainment recognized by Almighty (212
but not a collective one.

Islam can not be achieved by collective by means of Movement, Organization, Aids, you tube. Islam is one to one between the
individual and Almighty. The like mindedness thus forms the Group and will be united wherever they are. This is the command of GOD he will unite the Followers of Prophet Ibrahim where ever they are.

Thus Islam is dignified group of people united together. They will not make any movements rather they act individually with satisfaction of GOD.

Salam jhonsonmustafa,

Sorry if you feel threatened by my comment. It is not my intention and there's no one forcing you to accept these ideas. Please don't take any of the above as personal attack, and neither did I personally refer my comment to you as an individual. I'm presenting facts from the Qur'an for open discussion, for logical reasoning, supported by evidence and valid reasons, and not resting our faith on dogma or invalid reasons/assumptions.

Secondly, you are right. There is no element of compulsion in Islam and I would love to hear any comment on the following conclusion.

Please correct me if I'm wrong.

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Objective

In case following the Sunnatullah is the right way
please show in logical ways from the Quran

1. How to follow the Sunnatullah without disobeying other terms in the Quran
2. How to extract and apply the "system" of Sunnnatullah ("just and balance&quot in "ourselves"

Suggestion

I believe the Islamic Law are subjected to one main principle; ie. "No Compulsion". This is the Primary Rule, and all other rules are subordinate or subsidiary to this Primary Rule (Constitution). All rules must not be inconsistent with the Primary Rule, or it will be inapplicable to the extent of any inconsistency.

Therefore, the Believers will submit themselves "voluntarily" when they have committed any crimes. If they refused, then no one can force them to submit to the Islamic Law. It is so since Islam is only a "way of life", and there is no compulsion on how they want to lead their life. It also that there is no real need for Islamic Government or Political Party. Islam doesn't need a government, political party, or law enforcement agencies. There is only Allah's Sovereignty and Allah will punish the wrongdoer accordingly, as He wishes. Muslim need only to have faith in Allah, and do as what have been commanded in the Qur'an, according to its priority, right people, right place, and right time.

When people are ready to accept the Deen of Islam, they will then voluntarily form a government and Consultation Center to ask anything about Islam. "Consultation", or more closely like "Alternative Dispute Resolution" or "Arbitration", and not the form of government we know today. Therefore this entity can exist in any country as NGO etc and without any needs for any political participation.

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Rule No. 1 No Compulsion
(Voluntariness)

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There shall be no compulsion
in "l-dni"
The right course
has become clear
from the wrong
So whoever disbelieves in Taghut and believes in Allah
has grasped the most trustworthy handhold with no break in it
And Allah is Hearing and Knowing
(<a href="http//quran.com/2/256">2256</a&gt

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So remind,
you are only a reminder
You are not over them a controller.
However, he who turns away and disbelieves
Then Allah will punish him
with the greatest punishment
Indeed, to Us is their return
Then indeed
upon Us is their account
(<a href="http//quran.com/88/21-26">8821-26</a&gt

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And had your Lord willed
those on earth would have believed
all of them entirely
Then,
would you compel the people in order that they become believers?
And it is not for a soul to believe
except by permission of Allah
and He will place defilement
upon those who will not use reason
(<a href="http//quran.com/10/99-100">1099-100</a&gt

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Indeed, We sent down to you the Book for the people in truth
So whoever is guided
it is for his soul
and whoever goes astray
only goes astray to its detriment
And you are not a manager over them
(<a href="http//quran.com/39/41">3941</a&gt

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And say
"The truth is from your Lord
so whoever wills
let him believe
and whoever wills
let him disbelieve
Indeed, We have prepared for the wrongdoers a fire
whose walls will surround them
And if they call for relief
they will be relieved with water like murky oil
which scalds faces
Wretched is the drink
and evil is the resting place
(<a href="http//quran.com/18/29">1829</a&gt

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Subsidiary Rule 1, 2, 3, ....
(Sharia Law)

Peace brother.

[jhonsonmustafa]

peace brother,

may Allah shower us His blessings.

peace

We do accept your comment. May Allah shower us His Blessing.

Quote from DrGm on Yesterday at 123206 AM
he last day.

But I am looking for an answer for which I asked for Reoply # 104
You Wrote
<<<<<......>>>>>

• Mohammed is a messenger and the seal of the prophets. moreover i do not believe, Adam.. Nuh.. Aad.. Ibrahim..Musa..Isa..Mohammed.. have any direct blood line, they are examples in the path of peace for humankind. every believer in the path of peace are the descendants of prophets, messengers, noblemen, witnesses, righteous, martyrs.. Allah is all knowing

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Could you please explain further "moreover i do not believe, Adam.. Nuh.. Aad.. Ibrahim..Musa..Isa..Mohammed.. have any direct blood line, they are examples in the path of peace for humankind"...

In fact those Prophets have lived and shown the Right Path right ?. Regarding blood line its agreed. There are some sects claims that their fore ...fore fathers..fore fathers belongs to prophet hood etc. That forms a kind of Hadith which you and I discard straightaway.

I kindly asking whats your stand on "moreover i do not believe.. Adam....."

[drfazl]

Salaamun alayka,

Yes.
Allah does NOT have a khalifa. Do you actually understand what you were saying or not?
No, you or my or anyone's saying will not effect by no means His Majesty.
Do you have an ayaat from the Quran to support your claim?
Did I say He needs it for Himself?

Yes I deny.
Can you please give me an ayaat from The Quran where it is stated that Allah created it for man. As far as I know Allah created everything on earth for us ( thus not the earth itself and not the heavens) and made everything for us available what is on earth and in the heavens.
btw. don't forget that there are besides man also other creatures who are residing this earth.

And can you give me an ayaat from The Quran where it is stated that they should obey and work by man's command. As far as I know they obey and work ONLY by Allah's command.

I do not understand what you are trying to say. Do you mean if I not ponder on them then the punishment of fire is my reward?
For me the saying "Allah has HIS khalifa on earth" is equal to the saying "Allah has a walad", subhanaHu.

salaam,
Bender

The Heavens and the Earth shall obey Adam

Salam

Yes.
Allah does NOT have a khalifa. Do you actually understand what you were saying or not?

He it is Who created for you all that is in the earth, and He directed Himself to the heaven, so He made them complete seven heavens, and He knows all things. And when your Lord said to the angels, I am going to place in the earth a khalif, who shall know the earth and heavens as taught by Allah.

Please note the bold parts above and write your ante to it. And to your next doubt if I actually understand what I am saying, read below

And He taught adam all the names in the heavens and the earth. Then presented them to the angels - which knowledge they never possessed.

And when Allah said to the angels Make obeisance to adam; they did obeisance.

The angels shall obey adam's command by Allah's leave even as the most powerful eight of them carry the entire domain of Allah's heavens and earth, the arsh. Allah created the domain of the earth and the heavens for adam and not for Himself, for He is needless of what we need or any of His own created things.

First we complete our understanding on this one, that the heavens and the earth shall obey adam, the possessor of its knowledge by the leave of Allah before going to your next part of the post.

No, you or my or anyone's saying will not effect by no means His Majesty.
Do you have an ayaat from the Quran to support your claim?
Did I say He needs it for Himself?

Yes I deny.
Can you please give me an ayaat from The Quran where it is stated that Allah created it for man. As far as I know Allah created everything on earth for us ( thus not the earth itself and not the heavens) and made everything for us available what is on earth and in the heavens.
btw. don't forget that there are besides man also other creatures who are residing this earth.

And can you give me an ayaat from The Quran where it is stated that they should obey and work by man's command. As far as I know they obey and work ONLY by Allah's command.

I do not understand what you are trying to say. Do you mean if I not ponder on them then the punishment of fire is my reward?
For me the saying "Allah has HIS khalifa on earth" is equal to the saying "Allah has a walad", subhanaHu.

salaam,
Bender

[muslims]

And when your Lord
took from the children of Adam
from their loins
their descendants
and made them testify of themselves
, "Am I not your Lord?"
They said, "Yes, we have testified."

• lest you should say on the day of Resurrection
  "Indeed, we were of this unaware"
  (<a href="http//quran.com/7/172">7172</a&gt

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Sunnatullah
Obedience (Allah)
Unity (Adam)
<a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335476#msg335476">(4210-16)</a>

[diamantinehoneybunch]

Salaam,

These are -_-

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SERIOUSLY WHAT THE...............................?

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We shouldn't just sit and be idle. We must arise.

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Regards,
Yuliana

[muslims]

Salam,

We should start from the Qur'an (fire)...

and then move to the Air element, communication (of Deen etc.), humanism, and benefiting humanity..

God commands

justice
CREATING BALANCE
in the society

benefiting
humanity

kindness
to His creation

and giving
to relatives

(1690)

Explosion (Fire) creates "Air"..
"Air" will bring coolness (to humanity) and create "Water" (liquid, like, making their heart soft)...
"Water" will blend with dusts (good and bad) and everything (unity, good and bad under one roof)..
and create "Earth/Soil" (ground, security, strength)....
This will create planet Earth (the foundation for building a house - Deen of Islam) ..
balance and justice in the society (voice).

Ignominy shall be their portion
wheresoever they are found

save (where they grasp)

a rope from Allah <-- prostrate to Allah
and
a rope from men <-- prostrate to Adam

(3112)

Peace.

[Novice]

Salam hawk99,

Then I hope to hear your comment on this

And DO NOT eat of that on which Allah's name has not been mentioned
and that is most surely a transgression
and most surely the Shaitans suggest to their friends that they should contend with you
and if you obey them, you (Muhammad) shall most surely be polytheists. (6121)

For a simple reason of eating of that on which Allah's name has not been mentioned
Even the Prophet would become associator, ie. not a Muslim
Despite the syahadah, salat, fasting, zakat and sadaqah, hajj, jihad etc.......
Prophet Muhammad will not be a Muslim if disobey the "DO NOT" prohibition (breach of contract).

Now the question....

1. Can we claim more privilege than the Prophet?

2. Can you prove that we are allowed to ignore the "DO NOT" prohibition
   and still entitle to call ourselves a Muslim?

Peace.

Salam Muslims
Sorry for interference but the last part of 6121

is referring to you (plural) "innaKUM" and not to you (Muhammad)

Peace

[muslims]

Salam Muslims
Sorry for interference but the last part of 6121

is referring to you (plural) "innaKUM" and not to you (Muhammad)

Peace

Salam,

Sorry, I may have overlooked the issue.

So does the "innaKUM" includes "Muhammad"?

Peace brother.

[muslims]

What does it take to move Islam from "Religion" to "Deen"?

Less concern on what is right or wrong

but more concern on unity and benefiting humanity

just and balance

Compare it with <a href="http//wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Staff_and_contractors">Wikimedia</a>... how they changed the world.

Video Inside Wikimedia
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9-CovbP-7U

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The only difference is that everyone must be "Khalifa"...

Understanding of "<a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335472#msg335472">Solat</a>", anything is possible with the help of Allah.

[jhonsonmustafa]

What does it take to move Islam from "Religion" to "Deen"?

Less concern on what is right or wrong

but more concern on unity and benefiting humanity

just and balance

Compare it with <a href="http//wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Staff_and_contractors">Wikimedia</a>... how they changed the world.

Video Inside Wikimedia
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9-CovbP-7U

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The only difference is that everyone must be "Khalifa"...

Understanding of "<a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335472#msg335472">Solat</a>", anything is possible with the help of Allah.

Dear Brother,

This is not to hurt you and please check with others too.
Where as Quran Says "Quran is the most easiest one to understand" where as your postings shifting off from Quran.

[muslims]

Dear Brother,

This is not to hurt you and please check with others too.
Where as Quran Says "Quran is the most easiest one to understand" where as your postings shifting off from Quran.

Salam jhonsonmustafa,

Where did I shift from the Qur'an?

Please provide proof.

Peace brother.

<a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335571#msg335571">What is right and wrong in a religion, sect or group of peoples?</a>

<a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335750#msg335750">Allah gave unconditional freedom for us to focus on "Unity"
and less concern on what is right or wrong in other religions etc.</a>

[hawk99]

Peace muslims,

Quran = fire please provide ayat/ayats

Enough with the pictures already! brickwall

God bless

peace

[muslims]

Peace muslims,

Quran = fire please provide ayat/ayats

Enough with the pictures already! brickwall

God bless

peace

Salam hawk99,

That is a "philosophical" statement, and for easy understanding of our true mission in life.

You can refer to my previous post where I repeatedly say it is a philosophical statement.

Accordingly, you can reject the statement and it does not represent the truth.

It is my philosophy, my analogy and rational thoughts, not yours.

Some may agree, some may reject, and there is no obligation to accept it as the truth.

Peace brother.

Now, just a philosophical statement...

as to the meaning of solat

<a href="http//www.thefreedictionary.com/philosophy">phi?los?o?phy (f-ls-f)</a>
n. pl. phi?los?o?phies

1. Love and pursuit of wisdom by intellectual means and moral self-discipline.
2. Investigation of the nature, causes, or principles of reality, knowledge, or values,
   based on logical reasoning rather than empirical methods.
3. A system of thought based on or involving such inquiry the philosophy of Hume.
4. The critical analysis of fundamental assumptions or beliefs.
5. The disciplines presented in university curriculums of science and the liberal arts,
   except medicine, law, and theology.
6. The discipline comprising logic, ethics, aesthetics, metaphysics, and epistemology.
7. A set of ideas or beliefs relating to a particular field or activity; an underlying theory
   an original philosophy of advertising.
8. A system of values by which one lives has an unusual philosophy of life.

Free-Minds Introduction

This website has been created for all people who have a desire to allow God into their lives and follow His path alone...

This website invites all people of various beliefs (Sunni, Shia, Christian, Jewish, Buddhist, Hindu, Bahai, Agnostic, Humanist, and even Atheists) to come and examine for themselves the system of Submission/Islam which is based on God Alone.

Many of you may outwardly be content with your current faith or that which you inherited from your parents and community...but to some out there, there will always be a tugging at the back of their mind that 'there is something more', and that 'some things don't always make sense'...

If you are one of those people, then open your eyes, put on your thinking cap, and welcome to an open examination of the system of Submission/Islam which very few know about...

[hawk99]

Peace muslims,

Thank you for your response, however, I personally prefer God's word over man's.
God's word is true, whereas man's word can be taken with a grain of salt.

God bless

peace

[muslims]

Peace muslims,

Thank you for your response, however, I personally prefer God's word over man's.
God's word is true, whereas man's word can be taken with a grain of salt.

God bless

peace

Salam hawk99,

Very much respected, however, I personally prefer God's word and rational thoughts over dogma (<a href="http//quran.com/8/22">822</a&gt. There's so much more than the Qur'an (<a href="http//quran.com/24/35">2435</a> an introductory Book, Guidance or Manual.

God bless. pr

[hawk99]

Salam hawk99,

Very much respected, however, I personally prefer God's word and rational thoughts over dogma (<a href="http//quran.com/8/22">822</a&gt.

God bless. pr

Agreed

Be careful, rational thought can be dependent on the speaker/audience. To some Adolph
Hitler was rational! Whereas the word of God brings one to the ultimate goal.

God bless

peace

[muslims]

Agreed

Be careful, rational thought can be dependent on the speaker/audience. To some Adolph
Hitler was rational! Whereas the word of God brings one to the ultimate goal.

God bless

peace

Salam hawk99,

What happen to your belief that Allah will guide us?

By the way, Adolph Hitler was not rational in a way suggested by the Qur'an.

God bless.

[hawk99]

Peace muslims,

Allah will surely guide the believers, for we hear and obey, but one must be careful
because shaytayn also speaks.

Adolph Hitler was far from rational, but many thought he was rational.

If you ask them, "Who created the heavens and the earth?" they will say,
"GOD." Say, "Why then do you set up idols beside GOD? If GOD willed any adversity
for me, can they relieve such an adversity? And if He willed a blessing for me, can they
prevent such a blessing?" Say, "GOD is sufficient for me." In Him the trusters shall trust.

Quran = fire = not from God, then from who?

God bless

peace