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    jhonsonmustafa
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    peace brother,

    may Allah shower us His blessings.

    peace

    We do accept your comment. May Allah shower us His Blessing.

    Quote from DrGm on Yesterday at 123206 AM
    he last day.

    But I am looking for an answer for which I asked for Reoply # 104
    You Wrote
    <<<<<......>>>>>

    • Mohammed is a messenger and the seal of the prophets. moreover i do not believe, Adam.. Nuh.. Aad.. Ibrahim..Musa..Isa..Mohammed.. have any direct blood line, they are examples in the path of peace for humankind. every believer in the path of peace are the descendants of prophets, messengers, noblemen, witnesses, righteous, martyrs.. Allah is all knowing

    <<<....>>>>>

    Could you please explain further "moreover i do not believe, Adam.. Nuh.. Aad.. Ibrahim..Musa..Isa..Mohammed.. have any direct blood line, they are examples in the path of peace for humankind"...

    In fact those Prophets have lived and shown the Right Path right ?. Regarding blood line its agreed. There are some sects claims that their fore ...fore fathers..fore fathers belongs to prophet hood etc. That forms a kind of Hadith which you and I discard straightaway.

    I kindly asking whats your stand on "moreover i do not believe.. Adam....."

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      drfazl
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      Salaamun alayka,

      Yes.
      Allah does NOT have a khalifa. Do you actually understand what you were saying or not?
      No, you or my or anyone's saying will not effect by no means His Majesty.
      Do you have an ayaat from the Quran to support your claim?
      Did I say He needs it for Himself?

      Yes I deny.
      Can you please give me an ayaat from The Quran where it is stated that Allah created it for man. As far as I know Allah created everything on earth for us ( thus not the earth itself and not the heavens) and made everything for us available what is on earth and in the heavens.
      btw. don't forget that there are besides man also other creatures who are residing this earth.

      And can you give me an ayaat from The Quran where it is stated that they should obey and work by man's command. As far as I know they obey and work ONLY by Allah's command.

      I do not understand what you are trying to say. Do you mean if I not ponder on them then the punishment of fire is my reward?
      For me the saying "Allah has HIS khalifa on earth" is equal to the saying "Allah has a walad", subhanaHu.

      salaam,
      Bender

      The Heavens and the Earth shall obey Adam

      Salam

      Yes.
      Allah does NOT have a khalifa. Do you actually understand what you were saying or not?

      He it is Who created for you all that is in the earth, and He directed Himself to the heaven, so He made them complete seven heavens, and He knows all things. And when your Lord said to the angels, I am going to place in the earth a khalif, who shall know the earth and heavens as taught by Allah.

      Please note the bold parts above and write your ante to it. And to your next doubt if I actually understand what I am saying, read below

      And He taught adam all the names in the heavens and the earth. Then presented them to the angels - which knowledge they never possessed.

      And when Allah said to the angels Make obeisance to adam; they did obeisance.

      The angels shall obey adam's command by Allah's leave even as the most powerful eight of them carry the entire domain of Allah's heavens and earth, the arsh. Allah created the domain of the earth and the heavens for adam and not for Himself, for He is needless of what we need or any of His own created things.

      First we complete our understanding on this one, that the heavens and the earth shall obey adam, the possessor of its knowledge by the leave of Allah before going to your next part of the post.

      No, you or my or anyone's saying will not effect by no means His Majesty.
      Do you have an ayaat from the Quran to support your claim?
      Did I say He needs it for Himself?

      Yes I deny.
      Can you please give me an ayaat from The Quran where it is stated that Allah created it for man. As far as I know Allah created everything on earth for us ( thus not the earth itself and not the heavens) and made everything for us available what is on earth and in the heavens.
      btw. don't forget that there are besides man also other creatures who are residing this earth.

      And can you give me an ayaat from The Quran where it is stated that they should obey and work by man's command. As far as I know they obey and work ONLY by Allah's command.

      I do not understand what you are trying to say. Do you mean if I not ponder on them then the punishment of fire is my reward?
      For me the saying "Allah has HIS khalifa on earth" is equal to the saying "Allah has a walad", subhanaHu.

      salaam,
      Bender

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        muslims
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        And when your Lord
        took from the children of Adam
        from their loins
        their descendants
        and made them testify of themselves
        , "Am I not your Lord?"
        They said, "Yes, we have testified."

        • lest you should say on the day of Resurrection
          "Indeed, we were of this unaware"
          (<a href="http//quran.com/7/172">7172</a&gt

        http//s24.postimg.org/jjnw1ifet/khalifa.png

        Sunnatullah
        Obedience (Allah)
        Unity (Adam)
        <a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335476#msg335476">(4210-16)</a>

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          diamantinehoneybunch
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          Salaam,

          These are -_-

          http//static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2012/9/14/1347647952612/Demonstrations-spread-to--007.jpg

          http//shariafreeusa.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/NetherlandsSharia.jpg

          http//theycallmejane.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/cat-looks-shocked.jpg?w=300&h=210
          SERIOUSLY WHAT THE...............................?


          http//www.onislam.net/english/oimedia/onislamen/images/mainimages/Terminological%20Chaos%20-%20Islamism%20political%20islam.jpg


          http//www.bbc.co.uk/bitesize/ks3/history/images/245_bitesize_ks3_history_medievalislam_infographic_516.png


          http//pbr280.photobucket.com/albums/kk178/grantland/i-dont-want-to-live-on-this-planet-anymore-11372-400x250.jpg?t=1336408115

          We shouldn't just sit and be idle. We must arise.


          Regards,
          Yuliana

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            muslims
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            Salam,

            We should start from the Qur'an (fire)...

            and then move to the Air element, communication (of Deen etc.), humanism, and benefiting humanity..

            God commands

            justice
            CREATING BALANCE
            in the society

            benefiting
            humanity

            kindness
            to His creation

            and giving
            to relatives

            (1690)

            Explosion (Fire) creates "Air"..
            "Air" will bring coolness (to humanity) and create "Water" (liquid, like, making their heart soft)...
            "Water" will blend with dusts (good and bad) and everything (unity, good and bad under one roof)..
            and create "Earth/Soil" (ground, security, strength)....
            This will create planet Earth (the foundation for building a house - Deen of Islam) ..
            balance and justice in the society (voice).

            Ignominy shall be their portion
            wheresoever they are found

            save (where they grasp)

            a rope from Allah <-- prostrate to Allah
            and
            a rope from men <-- prostrate to Adam

            (3112)

            Peace.

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              Novice
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              Salam hawk99,

              Then I hope to hear your comment on this

              And DO NOT eat of that on which Allah's name has not been mentioned
              and that is most surely a transgression
              and most surely the Shaitans suggest to their friends that they should contend with you
              and if you obey them, you (Muhammad) shall most surely be polytheists. (6121)

              For a simple reason of eating of that on which Allah's name has not been mentioned
              Even the Prophet would become associator, ie. not a Muslim
              Despite the syahadah, salat, fasting, zakat and sadaqah, hajj, jihad etc.......
              Prophet Muhammad will not be a Muslim if disobey the "DO NOT" prohibition (breach of contract).

              Now the question....

              1. Can we claim more privilege than the Prophet?

              2. Can you prove that we are allowed to ignore the "DO NOT" prohibition
                and still entitle to call ourselves a Muslim?

              Peace.

              Salam Muslims
              Sorry for interference but the last part of 6121

              is referring to you (plural) "innaKUM" and not to you (Muhammad)

              Peace

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                muslims
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                Salam Muslims
                Sorry for interference but the last part of 6121

                is referring to you (plural) "innaKUM" and not to you (Muhammad)

                Peace

                Salam,

                Sorry, I may have overlooked the issue.

                So does the "innaKUM" includes "Muhammad"?

                Peace brother.

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                  muslims
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                  What does it take to move Islam from "Religion" to "Deen"?

                  Less concern on what is right or wrong

                  but more concern on unity and benefiting humanity

                  just and balance

                  Compare it with <a href="http//wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Staff_and_contractors">Wikimedia</a>... how they changed the world.

                  Video Inside Wikimedia
                  http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9-CovbP-7U

                  http//3.bp.blogspot.com/-imNucNmOIUo/UYBIaJ-8neI/AAAAAAAAA8I/skQ_-1L2Uu8/s1600/baitulmal-wikimedia-2-740054.jpg

                  The only difference is that everyone must be "Khalifa"...

                  Understanding of "<a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335472#msg335472">Solat</a>", anything is possible with the help of Allah.

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                    jhonsonmustafa
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                    What does it take to move Islam from "Religion" to "Deen"?

                    Less concern on what is right or wrong

                    but more concern on unity and benefiting humanity

                    just and balance

                    Compare it with <a href="http//wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Staff_and_contractors">Wikimedia</a>... how they changed the world.

                    Video Inside Wikimedia
                    http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9-CovbP-7U

                    http//3.bp.blogspot.com/-imNucNmOIUo/UYBIaJ-8neI/AAAAAAAAA8I/skQ_-1L2Uu8/s1600/baitulmal-wikimedia-2-740054.jpg

                    The only difference is that everyone must be "Khalifa"...

                    Understanding of "<a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335472#msg335472">Solat</a>", anything is possible with the help of Allah.

                    Dear Brother,

                    This is not to hurt you and please check with others too.
                    Where as Quran Says "Quran is the most easiest one to understand" where as your postings shifting off from Quran.

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                      muslims
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                      Dear Brother,

                      This is not to hurt you and please check with others too.
                      Where as Quran Says "Quran is the most easiest one to understand" where as your postings shifting off from Quran.

                      Salam jhonsonmustafa,

                      Where did I shift from the Qur'an?

                      Please provide proof.

                      Peace brother.

                      <a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335571#msg335571">What is right and wrong in a religion, sect or group of peoples?</a>

                      <a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335750#msg335750">Allah gave unconditional freedom for us to focus on "Unity"
                      and less concern on what is right or wrong in other religions etc.</a>

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                        hawk99
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                        Peace muslims,

                        Quran = fire please provide ayat/ayats

                        Enough with the pictures already! brickwall

                        God bless

                        peace

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                          muslims
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                          Peace muslims,

                          Quran = fire please provide ayat/ayats

                          Enough with the pictures already! brickwall

                          God bless

                          peace

                          Salam hawk99,

                          That is a "philosophical" statement, and for easy understanding of our true mission in life.

                          You can refer to my previous post where I repeatedly say it is a philosophical statement.

                          Accordingly, you can reject the statement and it does not represent the truth.

                          It is my philosophy, my analogy and rational thoughts, not yours.

                          Some may agree, some may reject, and there is no obligation to accept it as the truth.

                          Peace brother.

                          Now, just a philosophical statement...

                          as to the meaning of solat

                          <a href="http//www.thefreedictionary.com/philosophy">phi?los?o?phy (f-ls-f)</a>
                          n. pl. phi?los?o?phies

                          1. Love and pursuit of wisdom by intellectual means and moral self-discipline.
                          2. Investigation of the nature, causes, or principles of reality, knowledge, or values,
                            based on logical reasoning rather than empirical methods.
                          3. A system of thought based on or involving such inquiry the philosophy of Hume.
                          4. The critical analysis of fundamental assumptions or beliefs.
                          5. The disciplines presented in university curriculums of science and the liberal arts,
                            except medicine, law, and theology.
                          6. The discipline comprising logic, ethics, aesthetics, metaphysics, and epistemology.
                          7. A set of ideas or beliefs relating to a particular field or activity; an underlying theory
                            an original philosophy of advertising.
                          8. A system of values by which one lives has an unusual philosophy of life.

                          Free-Minds Introduction

                          This website has been created for all people who have a desire to allow God into their lives and follow His path alone...

                          This website invites all people of various beliefs (Sunni, Shia, Christian, Jewish, Buddhist, Hindu, Bahai, Agnostic, Humanist, and even Atheists) to come and examine for themselves the system of Submission/Islam which is based on God Alone.

                          Many of you may outwardly be content with your current faith or that which you inherited from your parents and community...but to some out there, there will always be a tugging at the back of their mind that 'there is something more', and that 'some things don't always make sense'...

                          If you are one of those people, then open your eyes, put on your thinking cap, and welcome to an open examination of the system of Submission/Islam which very few know about...

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                            hawk99
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                            Peace muslims,

                            Thank you for your response, however, I personally prefer God's word over man's.
                            God's word is true, whereas man's word can be taken with a grain of salt.

                            God bless

                            peace

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                              muslims
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                              Peace muslims,

                              Thank you for your response, however, I personally prefer God's word over man's.
                              God's word is true, whereas man's word can be taken with a grain of salt.

                              God bless

                              peace

                              Salam hawk99,

                              Very much respected, however, I personally prefer God's word and rational thoughts over dogma (<a href="http//quran.com/8/22">822</a&gt. There's so much more than the Qur'an (<a href="http//quran.com/24/35">2435</a> an introductory Book, Guidance or Manual.

                              God bless. pr

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                                Salam hawk99,

                                Very much respected, however, I personally prefer God's word and rational thoughts over dogma (<a href="http//quran.com/8/22">822</a&gt.

                                God bless. pr

                                Agreed

                                Be careful, rational thought can be dependent on the speaker/audience. To some Adolph
                                Hitler was rational! Whereas the word of God brings one to the ultimate goal.

                                God bless

                                peace

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                                  muslims
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                                  #145

                                  Agreed

                                  Be careful, rational thought can be dependent on the speaker/audience. To some Adolph
                                  Hitler was rational! Whereas the word of God brings one to the ultimate goal.

                                  God bless

                                  peace

                                  Salam hawk99,

                                  What happen to your belief that Allah will guide us?

                                  By the way, Adolph Hitler was not rational in a way suggested by the Qur'an.

                                  God bless.

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                                    hawk99
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                                    Peace muslims,

                                    Allah will surely guide the believers, for we hear and obey, but one must be careful
                                    because shaytayn also speaks.

                                    Adolph Hitler was far from rational, but many thought he was rational.

                                    If you ask them, "Who created the heavens and the earth?" they will say,
                                    "GOD." Say, "Why then do you set up idols beside GOD? If GOD willed any adversity
                                    for me, can they relieve such an adversity? And if He willed a blessing for me, can they
                                    prevent such a blessing?" Say, "GOD is sufficient for me." In Him the trusters shall trust.

                                    Quran = fire = not from God, then from who?

                                    God bless

                                    peace

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                                      Man_of_Faith
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                                      Salaam,

                                      We cannot ignore the fact that the age of the scripture has made it difficult to interpret properly. Bias, natural and deliberate changes of word meaning and all sorts of things affect the interpretation.

                                      It was already proven with 434 for example.

                                      God bless you

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                                        muslims
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                                        Peace muslims,

                                        Allah will surely guide the believers, for we hear and obey, but one must be careful
                                        because shaytayn also speaks.

                                        Adolph Hitler was far from rational, but many thought he was rational.

                                        If you ask them, "Who created the heavens and the earth?" they will say,
                                        "GOD." Say, "Why then do you set up idols beside GOD? If GOD willed any adversity
                                        for me, can they relieve such an adversity? And if He willed a blessing for me, can they
                                        prevent such a blessing?" Say, "GOD is sufficient for me." In Him the trusters shall trust.

                                        Quran = fire = not from God, then from who?

                                        God bless

                                        peace

                                        Salam hawk99,

                                        It is better to fully understand an argument before making an opposition.

                                        Secondly ... why "be careful"?

                                        Indeed, there is for him (Shaytan)
                                        no authority
                                        over those
                                        who have believed
                                        and rely upon their Lord
                                        (<a href="http//quran.com/16/99">1699</a&gt

                                        Thirdly, what is "rational" according to the Qur'an?

                                        For example, (<a href="http//quran.com/2/18">218</a&gt .. what does it mean to be deaf, dumb and blind?

                                        What does Allah refer to?

                                        God bless.

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                                          muslims
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                                          There's so much more than the Qur'an (<a href="http//quran.com/24/35">2435</a> an introductory Book, Guidance or Manual.

                                          Sunnatullah
                                          Just and Balance

                                          He created
                                          the heavens
                                          and earth
                                          in truth

                                          High is He above
                                          what they associate with Him

                                          He created man
                                          from a sperm-drop
                                          then at once
                                          he is a clear adversary

                                          And the grazing livestock
                                          He has created for you
                                          in them is warmth
                                          and benefits
                                          and from them you eat

                                          And for you in them
                                          is beauty
                                          when you bring them in
                                          and when you send them out

                                          And they carry your loads
                                          to a land
                                          you could not have reached
                                          except with difficulty to yourselves

                                          Indeed, your Lord is Kind and Merciful

                                          And
                                          the horses
                                          mules
                                          and donkeys
                                          for you to ride
                                          and adornment

                                          And He creates
                                          that which you do not know

                                          And upon Allah is the direction of the (right) way
                                          and among
                                          the various paths
                                          are those deviating

                                          And if He willed
                                          He could have guided you all <-- Guided to what? Qur'an or the sign in the Sunnatullah?

                                          It is He
                                          who sends down
                                          rain from the sky
                                          from it is drink
                                          and from it is foliage
                                          in which you pasture

                                          He causes to grow for you
                                          thereby the crops
                                          olives
                                          palm trees
                                          grapevines
                                          and from all the fruits

                                          Indeed in that
                                          is a sign
                                          for a people
                                          who give thought

                                          And He has subjected for you
                                          the night
                                          and day
                                          and the sun
                                          and moon
                                          and the stars
                                          are subjected
                                          by His command

                                          Indeed in that
                                          are signs
                                          for a people
                                          who reason

                                          And whatever
                                          He multiplied for you
                                          on the earth
                                          of varying colors

                                          Indeed in that
                                          is a sign
                                          for a people
                                          who remember

                                          And it is He
                                          who subjected the sea for you
                                          to eat from it
                                          tender meat
                                          and to extract from it ornaments
                                          which you wear

                                          And you see the ships
                                          plowing through it
                                          and that you may seek
                                          of His bounty
                                          and perhaps
                                          you will be grateful

                                          And He has cast into the earth
                                          firmly set mountains
                                          lest it shift with you
                                          and rivers
                                          and roads
                                          that you may be guided

                                          And landmarks
                                          And by the stars
                                          they are guided

                                          Then is He who creates like one who does not create?

                                          So will you not be reminded?

                                          <a href="http//quran.com/16/3-17">(163-17)</a>

                                          Indeed
                                          the worst of living creatures
                                          in the sight of Allah
                                          are the deaf
                                          and dumb
                                          who do not use reason
                                          (<a href="http//quran.com/8/22">822</a&gt

                                          The example of those
                                          who were entrusted with the Torah
                                          and then did not take it on
                                          is like that
                                          of a donkey
                                          who carries volumes
                                          Wretched is the example of the people
                                          who deny
                                          the signs of Allah
                                          And Allah does not guide
                                          the wrongdoing people
                                          (<a href="http//quran.com/62/5">625</a&gt

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