What is Islam?
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O you who have believed
fear Allah as He should be feared
and DO NOT die
except as Muslims
And hold firmly
to the rope of Allah
all together
and DO NOT become divided <- unity
(3102-103)And let there be from you
a nation
inviting to good <- justly balanced; cf. Allah say "good", then "right" or "wrong"
enjoining what is right <- just
and forbidding what is wrong <- unjust
and those will be the successful
And do not be like the ones
who became divided
and differed
after the clear proofs had come to them <- religion (3030-32); cf. (367-68)
And those will have a great punishment
(3104-105) -
Description of a Muslim in the Qur'an, and most are related to human beings or humanism.
Then will We treat the Muslims
like the criminals? <- on the issue of crime and evil etc.
(6835)And among us are Muslims
and among us are the unjust <- on the issue of justice
And whoever has become Muslim
those have sought out
the right course <- on the issue of right path
(7214)And who is better in speech <- on the issue of communication
than one who invites to Allah <- refer here
and does righteousness and says <- on the issue of righteousness
"Indeed, I am of the Muslims"
(4133)And I have been commanded
to be the first of the Muslims" <- on the issue of submission
Say, "Indeed I fear
if I should disobey my Lord <- on the issue of obedience
the punishment of a tremendous Day"
(3912-13)Indeed, the Muslim men and Muslim women
the believing men and believing women <- on the issue of belief
the obedient men and obedient women <- on the issue of obedience
the truthful men and truthful women <- on the issue of truthful
the patient men and patient women <- on the issue of patience
the humble men and humble women <- on the issue of being humble
the charitable men and charitable women <- on the issue of charitable
the fasting men and fasting women <- on the issue of fasting (vs. nafs)
the men who guard their private parts and the women who do so <- on the issue of nafs
and the men who remember Allah often and the women who do so <- on the issue of dzikr etc.
for them Allah has prepared forgiveness and a great reward <- on the issue of repentance
(3335)And do not argue with the People of the Scripture <- on the issue stand up for what is just
except in a way that is best <- on the issue of justly balanced
except for those who commit injustice among them, and say <- on the issue of justice
"We believe in that which has been revealed to us
and revealed to you
And our God and your God is one <- on the issue of unity
and we are Muslims to Him" <- on the issue of submission
(2946)And Moses said
"O my people, if you have believed in Allah
then rely upon Him <- on the issue of reliance to Allah
if you should be Muslims"
(1084)My Lord, You have given me of sovereignty
and taught me of the interpretation of dreams
Creator of the heavens and earth
You are my protector in this world and in the Hereafter
Cause me to die a Muslim
and join me with the righteous" <- on the issue of righteousness
(12101)And you do not resent us
except because we believed
in the signs of our Lord when they came to us
Our Lord, pour upon us patience <- on the issue of patience
and let us die as Muslims"
(7126)Nor could he order you
to take the angels
and prophets
as lords <- on the issue of idol etc.
Would he order you to disbelief
after you had been Muslims? <- on the issue of belief
(380)Say, "We have believed in Allah
and in what was revealed to us <- on the issue of deen/way of life
and what was revealed to Abraham
Ishmael
Isaac
Jacob
and the Descendants
and in what was given to Moses
and Jesus
and to the prophets from their Lord
We make no distinction between any of them <- on the issue of no religion and unity
and we are Muslims to Him"
(384)And We have enjoined upon man<- on the issue of respect our parents
to his parents
good treatment
His mother carried him with hardship
and gave birth to him with hardship
and his gestation
and weaning is thirty months
until
when he reaches maturity
and reaches forty years, he says
"My Lord, enable me to be grateful for Your favor
which You have bestowed upon me
and upon my parents
and to work righteousness <- on the issue of righteousness
of which You will approve
and make righteous for me my offspring <- on the issue of family
Indeed, I have repented to You
and indeed, I am of the Muslims"
(4615)And the Day when We will resurrect <- on the issue of unity
among every nation
a witness over them from themselves <- on the issue of other belief
And We will bring you
as a witness over your nation <- on the issue of our belief
And We have sent down to you the Book
as clarification for all things <- on the issue of clarification
and as guidance
and mercy
and good tidings
for the Muslims
(1689)And We took the Children of Israel across the sea
and Pharaoh and his soldiers pursued them
in tyranny and enmity until <- on the issue of tyranny and enmity
when drowning overtook him, he said
"I believe that there is no deity
except that in whom the Children of Israel believe <- He didn't say Allah, but declare as a Muslim?
and I am of the Muslims" <- Pharaoh said, "I do not show you except what I see
(1090) and I do not guide you except to the way of right conduct." (4029)
(on the issue of right conduct - Whether Pharoah claiming himself as God?)
Close friends, that Day, will be enemies to each other
except for the righteous <- on the issue of unity and righteousness"O My servants, no fear will there be concerning you this Day
nor will you grieve
who believed in Our verses and were Muslims <- on the issue of belief
(4367-69)And you cannot guide the blind away from their error
You will only make hear
those who believe in Our verses <- on the issue of belief
so they are Muslims
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This begs the question What is islam.. o
And no - it is not a RELIGION. All religions are MAN MADE.
It's an judgement, attitude, which after some time become a character.
The logic is very simple
Given
- God will always make His will a reality.
Thus
- Everything that happened is in accordance to His will
The question will be
- What's your say about anything that you're experiencing?
You can "Peacefully Accept" or "Un-Peacefully deny / reject"..
Denial is actually quite 'futile', given the fact above..
The Thread Starter got it right by mentioning the "Devil" / "Iblees" in the story of Adam.
His attitude shows "Denial"... which is actually quite useless / futile..
As thus he's not a muslim..Let's take a simple example..
The organization that you're working in, decided to promote your colleague to become your new boss. You feel (as everybody else) that you're the one who should earn the promotion and become 'the boss', because you feel that you're better than him.
So herewith your option
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You can reject him as the new boss, which is quite futile, since it's not you who own the place, and you shall experience negative emotion of resentment and anger.. and in turn might entice your wish for 'revenge'..
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You can gladly accept him as the new boss, which shall save you from the suffering of all negative emotion..
And of course the organization will not accept any other attitude from his worker except to follow and accept the decision. (385)
Salam / Peace
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This begs the question What is islam..
And no - it is not a RELIGION. All religions are MAN MADE.
Peace
Peace All,
If you all are referring to a language other than english, Islam may mean many things,
but in English, Islam refers to a religionENGLISH
Religion of Christianity
Religion of Judism
Religion of Hinduism
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noun- a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.
- a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects the Christian religion; the Buddhist religion.
- the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices a world council of religions.
- the life or state of a monk, nun, etc. to enter religion.
- the practice of religious beliefs; ritual observance of faith.
God bless
peace
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an Arabic Qur'an
without any deviance
that they might become righteous
(392However, in the light of the above meanings, it should be clear that this is not only incorrect, but distorts and negates the very meaning of din. Islam is not a religion (madhab), and it has never been described as one in the Quran. .... <a href="http//www.tolueislam.org/Parwez/ICR/ICR.htm">Islam A Challenge to Religion</a>
Deen is for Muslims and Madhab for all others (1096).
peace peace
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Peace Muslims,
I gave the english definition not an esoteric, mystical, obtuse definition.
As far as 109/6 is concerned, it is not directed at other believers but non-believers
Sahih International For you is your religion, and for me is my religion."
Pickthall Unto you your religion, and unto me my religion.
Yusuf Ali To you be your Way, and to me mine.
Shakir You shall have your religion and I shall have my religion.
Muhammad Sarwar You follow your religion and I follow mine.
Mohsin Khan "To you be your religion, and to me my religion (Islamic Monotheism)."
Arberry To you your religion, and to me my religion!'
And please, no links, videos, etc., speak for yourself
God bless
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Peace Muslims,
I gave the english definition not an esoteric, mystical, obtuse definition.
As far as 109/6 is concerned, it is not directed at other believers but non-believers
Sahih International For you is your religion, and for me is my religion."
Pickthall Unto you your religion, and unto me my religion.
Yusuf Ali To you be your Way, and to me mine.
Shakir You shall have your religion and I shall have my religion.
Muhammad Sarwar You follow your religion and I follow mine.
Mohsin Khan "To you be your religion, and to me my religion (Islamic Monotheism)."
Arberry To you your religion, and to me my religion!'
And please, no links, videos, etc., speak for yourself
God bless
Salam hawk99,
What is your conclusion?
The English translation represents the true meaning of the Qur'an?
And what is the definition of "Believer" and "Non Believer" in the Qur'an?
And he possessed much wealth
so he said to his companion, while he disputed with him
I have greater wealth than you, and am mightier in followers <- Shirk? This is what most people
https//www.google.com/help/hc/images/sites_icon_arrow_up_small.gif would say. Greater wealth,
And he entered his garden https//www.google.com/help/hc/images/sites_icon_arrow_up_small.gif knowledge, skills, family etc.
while he was unjust to himself, He said <- On the issue of justly balanced within ourselves.
I do not think that this will ever perish <- This is also what most people would say.
And I do not think the hour will come i.e. not come within the next few hours, days, years etc.
and even if I am returned to my Lord <- Same, and most people believe they will be in Paradise.
I will most certainly find a returning place better than this Proof that he believe in Allah and the
Hour will come, but not in his lifetime.
His companion said to him while disputing with himDo you disbelieve in Him <- Shirk?
Who created you from dust
then from a small seed
then He made you a perfect man?But as for me
He, Allah, is my Lord
and I do not associate anyone with my Lord <- Who is "anyone" in this story context? Self?Please also compare your opinion with the Qur'an.
You say...
If you all are referring to a language other than english, Islam may mean many things,
Arabic is a "language other than English".
Therefore and according to you, "Islam may mean many things" in Arabic language.
Now, what does the Qur'an say?
an Arabic Qur'an
without any deviance
that they might become righteous
(392It is inconsistent with the Qur'an.
Further and since I cannot find the word "Madhab" anywhere in the Qur'an, we might also consider that maybe Allah never spoke or place any significance about religion in the Qur'an. The Qur'an talks about way of life, ie. division or human unity, justly balanced or unjust.
God bless.
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an Arabic Qur'an
without any deviance
that they might become righteous
(3928)It's actually safe here to translate "arabic" into "perfect" which is but a meaning for the word. This also fits perfectly with the statement that follows (ie "perfect without any deviance."
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Salam jhonsonmustafa,
Okay.
I already asked you this question.
What about 22?
What's it got to do with Allah prohibit us to follow what is justly balanced to humanity?
Religion of Islam vs. Deen of Islam
Please look at the actual content..
The real issue is whether it is justly balanced to humanity?
and this is the Deen of Islam.
Do not generalize (fallacy of generalization) and view the matter on a sectarian's perspective.. Quranism, Sunni, Shia, Hadither, Wahhabbism, Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism, Hinduism etc. This is religious perspective, a religion.
It doesn't matter if you label yourself as Quranism or Qur'an Alone or whatever it is.
It is still a sectarian, a religion.
It is not the Deen of Islam.
Peace brother.
Peace Brother,
PLease Read 1788
Say "If the mankind and the jinns were together to produce the like of this Quran, they could not produce the like thereof, even if they helped one another."
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Peace Brother,
PLease Read 1788
Say "If the mankind and the jinns were together to produce the like of this Quran, they could not produce the like thereof, even if they helped one another."
Salam jhonsonmustafa,
So what?
What's it got to do with justly balanced?
Do you understand what is the issue?
Peace brother.
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Peace Muslims,
What English word would you replace the word "religion" with according to your understanding?
God bless
Salam hawk99,
Is this your argument? )
- "Madhab" is religion.
- "Deen" is not "Madhab".
- Therefore, Deen is religion (Madhab) in English.
Why? You are going to blame the Qur'an because you cannot find the accurate translation for the word "Deen" in English?
Further, I answer all your questions when you asked me. However, when I ask question relating to your conclusion, you ignored, and instead of supporting your conclusion with an ayat, you ask me with a new set of question. Now please answer my question and stick to the issue (refer here).
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Why are you saying the English translation of "deen" as "religion" represents its true meaning in the Qur'an?
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What is the definition of "Believer" and "Non Believer" in the Qur'an?
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What is the ayaat to support your conclusion that the meaning of (Deen of) Islam is deviated in Arabic; ie. It is deviated and Islam should mean religion in Arabic.
Peace brother.
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Peace Muslims,
I am only asking one question.
What English word would you replace the word "religion" with according to your understanding?
God bless
Salam hawk99
You still don't get it?
Who cares what it means in English.
Allah never asked me to believe in the translation.
There is only one Qur'an, and it is in Arabic. It is not in English.
If you cannot find the accurate translation for the word "deen", then refer to its true meaning in Arabic. Why you want to distort and replace it with meaning not associated with the word "deen"? (root for deen dayn = debt)
And please give reasons for your conclusion (refer here).
Peace brother.
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Peace Brother Muslims,
The Quran was ofcourse descended in Arabic (native)language on our prophet/messenger Mohammad. Please note that according to Ayats
4458 - We have thus made it easy in your language, perhaps they may take heed.
144 - And We have not sent any messenger except in the language of his people, so he may clarify for them. But God misguides whom He wills, and He guides whom He wills. And He is the Noble, the Wise
16103 - And We are aware that they say "A human being is teaching him." The tongue of the one they refer to is foreign, while this is a clear Arabic tongue.
Suppose if Prophet Mohammad was born in France, then the Quran would have descened in French (native language of Prophet Mohammad to warn people going astray or to assure heaven for people who do good deeds).
Language is not important. But the MESSAGE is.
Sabina
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Language is not important. But the MESSAGE is.
Salam Sabina,
I agree but the issue to my discussion with hawk99 are as follows
You say...
If you all are referring to a language other than english, Islam may mean many things
Arabic is a "language other than English".
Therefore and according to you, "Islam may mean many things" in Arabic language.
Now, what does the Qur'an say?
an Arabic Qur'an
without any deviance
that they might become righteous
(3928)It is inconsistent with the Qur'an.
Therefore, the issue is whether the word (deen of) Islam is deviated in Arabic?
(and the english translation is not deviated? ie. deen of Islam is religion of Islam)Do you understand what is the issue to our discussion?
Peace.
Main issue..
Whether Allah accepts "Religion of Islam" or "Deen of Islam"?
And whoever seeks a "dnan" (ا other than Islam
it will NEVER be accepted of him
and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers
(<a href="http//corpus.quran.com/wordbyword.jsp?chapter=3&verse=85">385</a>This begs the question What is islam..
And no - it is not a RELIGION. All religions are MAN MADE.
Peace
Salam hawk99,
Is this your argument? )
- "Madhab" is religion.
- "Deen" is not "Madhab".
- Therefore, Deen is religion (Madhab) in English.
Why?
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Peace Muslims,
I am only asking one question.
What English word would you replace the word "religion" with according to your understanding?
If you do not have an answer why not just say so? Millions read the Quran translated in
various languages, so your point is nil. Until you can come up with a better translation
than the word "religion" it will stand. No offense intended.109/6 I am not calling anyone kafir, but just an example of translations.
Sahih International For you is your religion, and for me is my religion."
Pickthall Unto you your religion, and unto me my religion.
Yusuf Ali To you be your Way, and to me mine.
Shakir You shall have your religion and I shall have my religion.
Muhammad Sarwar You follow your religion and I follow mine.
Mohsin Khan "To you be your religion, and to me my religion (Islamic Monotheism)."
Arberry To you your religion, and to me my religion!'
God bless
peace
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Peace Muslims,
I am only asking one question.
What English word would you replace the word "religion" with according to your understanding?
If you do not have an answer why not just say so? Millions read the Quran translated in
various languages, so your point is nil. Until you can come up with a better translation
than the word "religion" it will stand. No offense intended.109/6 I am not calling anyone kafir, but just an example of translations.
Sahih International For you is your religion, and for me is my religion."
Pickthall Unto you your religion, and unto me my religion.
Yusuf Ali To you be your Way, and to me mine.
Shakir You shall have your religion and I shall have my religion.
Muhammad Sarwar You follow your religion and I follow mine.
Mohsin Khan "To you be your religion, and to me my religion (Islamic Monotheism)."
Arberry To you your religion, and to me my religion!'
God bless
peace
Salam hawk99,
How many times I have to answer you?
Who cares what it means in English.
Allah never asked me to believe in the translation.
There is only one Qur'an, and it is in Arabic. It is not in English.
In other words, your conclusion is irrelevant to the Deen of Islam. It is not Islam, and no real Muslim should be bothered to answer what is the true meaning of the Qur'an in the English language.
Therefore, If you wish to believe the English Qur'an, no one is stopping you. One thing for sure, Allah only accepts Deen of Islam, and not Religion (Madhab) of Islam (385).
And please give reasons for your conclusion (refer here).
Peace brother.