What is Islam?

Jafar

This begs the question What is islam.. o

And no - it is not a RELIGION. All religions are MAN MADE.

It's an judgement, attitude, which after some time become a character.

The logic is very simple

Given

God will always make His will a reality.

Thus

Everything that happened is in accordance to His will

The question will be

What's your say about anything that you're experiencing?

You can "Peacefully Accept" or "Un-Peacefully deny / reject"..

Denial is actually quite 'futile', given the fact above..

The Thread Starter got it right by mentioning the "Devil" / "Iblees" in the story of Adam.

His attitude shows "Denial"... which is actually quite useless / futile..
As thus he's not a muslim..

Let's take a simple example..

The organization that you're working in, decided to promote your colleague to become your new boss. You feel (as everybody else) that you're the one who should earn the promotion and become 'the boss', because you feel that you're better than him.

So herewith your option

You can reject him as the new boss, which is quite futile, since it's not you who own the place, and you shall experience negative emotion of resentment and anger.. and in turn might entice your wish for 'revenge'..
You can gladly accept him as the new boss, which shall save you from the suffering of all negative emotion..

And of course the organization will not accept any other attitude from his worker except to follow and accept the decision. (385)

Salam / Peace

hawk99

This begs the question What is islam..

And no - it is not a RELIGION. All religions are MAN MADE.

Peace

Peace All,

If you all are referring to a language other than english, Islam may mean many things,
but in English, Islam refers to a religion

ENGLISH

Religion of Christianity

Religion of Judism

Religion of Hinduism

re?li?gion/rldn/ Show Spelled Show IPA
noun

a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.
a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects the Christian religion; the Buddhist religion.
the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices a world council of religions.
the life or state of a monk, nun, etc. to enter religion.
the practice of religious beliefs; ritual observance of faith.

God bless

peace

muslims

an Arabic Qur'an
without any deviance
that they might become righteous
(392

However, in the light of the above meanings, it should be clear that this is not only incorrect, but distorts and negates the very meaning of din. Islam is not a religion (madhab), and it has never been described as one in the Quran. .... <a href="http//www.tolueislam.org/Parwez/ICR/ICR.htm">Islam A Challenge to Religion</a>

Deen is for Muslims and Madhab for all others (1096).

peace peace

hawk99

Peace Muslims,

I gave the english definition not an esoteric, mystical, obtuse definition.

As far as 109/6 is concerned, it is not directed at other believers but non-believers

Sahih International For you is your religion, and for me is my religion."

Pickthall Unto you your religion, and unto me my religion.

Yusuf Ali To you be your Way, and to me mine.

Shakir You shall have your religion and I shall have my religion.

Muhammad Sarwar You follow your religion and I follow mine.

Mohsin Khan "To you be your religion, and to me my religion (Islamic Monotheism)."

Arberry To you your religion, and to me my religion!'

And please, no links, videos, etc., speak for yourself

God bless

muslims

Peace Muslims,

I gave the english definition not an esoteric, mystical, obtuse definition.

As far as 109/6 is concerned, it is not directed at other believers but non-believers

Sahih International For you is your religion, and for me is my religion."

Pickthall Unto you your religion, and unto me my religion.

Yusuf Ali To you be your Way, and to me mine.

Shakir You shall have your religion and I shall have my religion.

Muhammad Sarwar You follow your religion and I follow mine.

Mohsin Khan "To you be your religion, and to me my religion (Islamic Monotheism)."

Arberry To you your religion, and to me my religion!'

And please, no links, videos, etc., speak for yourself

God bless

Salam hawk99,

What is your conclusion?

The English translation represents the true meaning of the Qur'an?

And what is the definition of "Believer" and "Non Believer" in the Qur'an?

And he possessed much wealth

so he said to his companion, while he disputed with him

I have greater wealth than you, and am mightier in followers <- Shirk? This is what most people
https//www.google.com/help/hc/images/sites_icon_arrow_up_small.gif would say. Greater wealth,
And he entered his garden https//www.google.com/help/hc/images/sites_icon_arrow_up_small.gif knowledge, skills, family etc.
while he was unjust to himself, He said <- On the issue of justly balanced within ourselves.
I do not think that this will ever perish <- This is also what most people would say.
And I do not think the hour will come i.e. not come within the next few hours, days, years etc.
and even if I am returned to my Lord <- Same, and most people believe they will be in Paradise.
I will most certainly find a returning place better than this Proof that he believe in Allah and the
Hour will come, but not in his lifetime.
His companion said to him while disputing with him

Do you disbelieve in Him <- Shirk?
Who created you from dust
then from a small seed
then He made you a perfect man?

But as for me
He, Allah, is my Lord
and I do not associate anyone with my Lord <- Who is "anyone" in this story context? Self?

Please also compare your opinion with the Qur'an.

You say...

If you all are referring to a language other than english, Islam may mean many things,

Arabic is a "language other than English".

Therefore and according to you, "Islam may mean many things" in Arabic language.

Now, what does the Qur'an say?

an Arabic Qur'an
without any deviance
that they might become righteous
(392

It is inconsistent with the Qur'an.

Further and since I cannot find the word "Madhab" anywhere in the Qur'an, we might also consider that maybe Allah never spoke or place any significance about religion in the Qur'an. The Qur'an talks about way of life, ie. division or human unity, justly balanced or unjust.

God bless.

nonplus

an Arabic Qur'an
without any deviance
that they might become righteous
(3928)

It's actually safe here to translate "arabic" into "perfect" which is but a meaning for the word. This also fits perfectly with the statement that follows (ie "perfect without any deviance.&quot

muslims

It's actually safe here to translate "arabic" into "perfect" which is but a meaning for the word. This also fits perfectly with the statement that follows (ie "perfect without any deviance.&quot

Thank you for making it clearer.

hawk99

Peace Muslims,

What English word would you replace the word "religion" with according to your understanding?

God bless

jhonsonmustafa

Salam jhonsonmustafa,

Okay.

I already asked you this question.

What about 22?

What's it got to do with Allah prohibit us to follow what is justly balanced to humanity?

Religion of Islam vs. Deen of Islam

Please look at the actual content..

The real issue is whether it is justly balanced to humanity?

and this is the Deen of Islam.

Do not generalize (fallacy of generalization) and view the matter on a sectarian's perspective.. Quranism, Sunni, Shia, Hadither, Wahhabbism, Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism, Hinduism etc. This is religious perspective, a religion.

It doesn't matter if you label yourself as Quranism or Qur'an Alone or whatever it is.

It is still a sectarian, a religion.

It is not the Deen of Islam.

Peace brother.

Peace Brother,

PLease Read 1788

Say "If the mankind and the jinns were together to produce the like of this Quran, they could not produce the like thereof, even if they helped one another."

muslims

Peace Brother,

PLease Read 1788

Say "If the mankind and the jinns were together to produce the like of this Quran, they could not produce the like thereof, even if they helped one another."

Salam jhonsonmustafa,

So what?

What's it got to do with justly balanced?

Do you understand what is the issue?

Peace brother.

muslims

Peace Muslims,

What English word would you replace the word "religion" with according to your understanding?

God bless

Salam hawk99,

Is this your argument? )

"Madhab" is religion.
"Deen" is not "Madhab".
Therefore, Deen is religion (Madhab) in English.

Why? You are going to blame the Qur'an because you cannot find the accurate translation for the word "Deen" in English?

Further, I answer all your questions when you asked me. However, when I ask question relating to your conclusion, you ignored, and instead of supporting your conclusion with an ayat, you ask me with a new set of question. Now please answer my question and stick to the issue (refer here).

Why are you saying the English translation of "deen" as "religion" represents its true meaning in the Qur'an?
What is the definition of "Believer" and "Non Believer" in the Qur'an?
What is the ayaat to support your conclusion that the meaning of (Deen of) Islam is deviated in Arabic; ie. It is deviated and Islam should mean religion in Arabic.

Peace brother.

hawk99

Peace Muslims,

I am only asking one question.

What English word would you replace the word "religion" with according to your understanding?

God bless

muslims

Peace Muslims,

I am only asking one question.

What English word would you replace the word "religion" with according to your understanding?

God bless

Salam hawk99

You still don't get it?

Who cares what it means in English.

Allah never asked me to believe in the translation.

There is only one Qur'an, and it is in Arabic. It is not in English.

If you cannot find the accurate translation for the word "deen", then refer to its true meaning in Arabic. Why you want to distort and replace it with meaning not associated with the word "deen"? (root for deen dayn = debt)

And please give reasons for your conclusion (refer here).

Peace brother.

Sabina

Peace Brother Muslims,

The Quran was ofcourse descended in Arabic (native)language on our prophet/messenger Mohammad. Please note that according to Ayats

4458 - We have thus made it easy in your language, perhaps they may take heed.

144 - And We have not sent any messenger except in the language of his people, so he may clarify for them. But God misguides whom He wills, and He guides whom He wills. And He is the Noble, the Wise

16103 - And We are aware that they say "A human being is teaching him." The tongue of the one they refer to is foreign, while this is a clear Arabic tongue.

Suppose if Prophet Mohammad was born in France, then the Quran would have descened in French (native language of Prophet Mohammad to warn people going astray or to assure heaven for people who do good deeds).

Language is not important. But the MESSAGE is.

Sabina

muslims

Language is not important. But the MESSAGE is.

Salam Sabina,

I agree but the issue to my discussion with hawk99 are as follows

You say...

If you all are referring to a language other than english, Islam may mean many things

Arabic is a "language other than English".

Therefore and according to you, "Islam may mean many things" in Arabic language.

Now, what does the Qur'an say?

an Arabic Qur'an
without any deviance
that they might become righteous
(3928)

It is inconsistent with the Qur'an.

Therefore, the issue is whether the word (deen of) Islam is deviated in Arabic?
(and the english translation is not deviated? ie. deen of Islam is religion of Islam)

Do you understand what is the issue to our discussion?

Peace.

Main issue..

Whether Allah accepts "Religion of Islam" or "Deen of Islam"?

And whoever seeks a "dnan" (&#1575 other than Islam
it will NEVER be accepted of him
and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers
(<a href="http//corpus.quran.com/wordbyword.jsp?chapter=3&verse=85">385</a&gt

This begs the question What is islam..

And no - it is not a RELIGION. All religions are MAN MADE.

Peace

Salam hawk99,

Is this your argument? )

"Madhab" is religion.
"Deen" is not "Madhab".
Therefore, Deen is religion (Madhab) in English.

Why?

hawk99

Peace Muslims,

I am only asking one question.

What English word would you replace the word "religion" with according to your understanding?

If you do not have an answer why not just say so? Millions read the Quran translated in
various languages, so your point is nil. Until you can come up with a better translation
than the word "religion" it will stand. No offense intended.

109/6 I am not calling anyone kafir, but just an example of translations.

Sahih International For you is your religion, and for me is my religion."

Pickthall Unto you your religion, and unto me my religion.

Yusuf Ali To you be your Way, and to me mine.

Shakir You shall have your religion and I shall have my religion.

Muhammad Sarwar You follow your religion and I follow mine.

Mohsin Khan "To you be your religion, and to me my religion (Islamic Monotheism)."

Arberry To you your religion, and to me my religion!'

God bless

peace

muslims

Peace Muslims,

I am only asking one question.

What English word would you replace the word "religion" with according to your understanding?

If you do not have an answer why not just say so? Millions read the Quran translated in
various languages, so your point is nil. Until you can come up with a better translation
than the word "religion" it will stand. No offense intended.

109/6 I am not calling anyone kafir, but just an example of translations.

Sahih International For you is your religion, and for me is my religion."

Pickthall Unto you your religion, and unto me my religion.

Yusuf Ali To you be your Way, and to me mine.

Shakir You shall have your religion and I shall have my religion.

Muhammad Sarwar You follow your religion and I follow mine.

Mohsin Khan "To you be your religion, and to me my religion (Islamic Monotheism)."

Arberry To you your religion, and to me my religion!'

God bless

peace

Salam hawk99,

How many times I have to answer you?

Who cares what it means in English.

Allah never asked me to believe in the translation.

There is only one Qur'an, and it is in Arabic. It is not in English.

In other words, your conclusion is irrelevant to the Deen of Islam. It is not Islam, and no real Muslim should be bothered to answer what is the true meaning of the Qur'an in the English language.

Therefore, If you wish to believe the English Qur'an, no one is stopping you. One thing for sure, Allah only accepts Deen of Islam, and not Religion (Madhab) of Islam (385).

And please give reasons for your conclusion (refer here).

Peace brother.

hawk99

Peace Muslims,

I understand, no offense intended handshake

God bless

muslims

Peace Muslims,

I understand, no offense intended handshake

God bless

Peace hawk99

God bless handshake

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