Allah is God ?

muslims

God is God, not in a category of other gods than God.

Salam,

I say "other religions are also claiming the capital "G" is referring to their "God"".

You say "God is God, not in a category of other gods than God."

Therefore "God (category/concept) is not equivalents to "God" (name of Allah in English,
as per your argument)

Therefore "God (category/concept) is not "Allah" (name of Allah in the Qur'an)"

Therefore "Allah" is not equivalent to God (category/concept)

Argument Therefore, Allah is . . . ?
(a) God (equivalent category/concept); or
(b) not God (equivalent category/concept) (refer here)

Is this right as per your argument?

God bless you.

diamantinehoneybunch

Are you saying that Allah, the Arabic word is the only valid name for Him?

So what about Lord? There are many lords in the world.

muslims

Are you saying that Allah, the Arabic word is the only valid name for Him?

So what about Lord? There are many lords in the world.

Salam,

I'm talking about the "concept of God" (category) understand by all human beings, regardless of religions, not about names of Allah.

Peace

muslims

But I recommend you read this sites http//simple.wiktionary.org/wiki/god
http//simple.wiktionary.org/wiki/God

http//s24.postimg.org/ugrbsrvol/god.jpg?w=300

Salam

Can you explain the above link relating to "God"?

(red arrow below)

It says -> "An artist's idea of the God in Christianity, Judaism and Islam."

Why it is made equivalent to "Allah" when the word "God" is a proper noun for "God" to other religions?

For example

http//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3d/St.Charles%27s_Church%2C_Austria%2C_Vienna-_Gold_piece_high_above_the_altar_symbolizing_Yahweh.jpg/175px-St.Charles%27s_Church%2C_Austria%2C_Vienna-_Gold_piece_high_above_the_altar_symbolizing_Yahweh.jpg
Hebrew Tetragrammaton YHWH - Of the names of God in the Old Testament and is referring to the so-called Tetragrammaton.

"The word is used as a name for the God of Israel nearly seven thousand times in the Hebrew Bible. Theologians call it the tetragrammaton."; continue ... The Translation of the Tetragrammaton

http//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5a/Tetragrammaton-Trinity-diagram-12thC.jpg/200px-Tetragrammaton-Trinity-diagram-12thC.jpg
Petrus Alfonsi's early 12th-century Tetragrammaton-Trinity diagram, rendering the name as "JEVE"

http//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6c/Tetragrammaton_at_5th_Chapel_of_the_Palace_of_Versailles_France.jpg/175px-Tetragrammaton_at_5th_Chapel_of_the_Palace_of_Versailles_France.jpg
Tetragrammaton at the 5th Chapel of the Palace of Versailles, France. This example has the vowel points of "Elohim".

http//digitalambler.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/tableofpractice_tetragrammaton.jpg?w=250

http//www.nachtkabarett.com/ihvh/img/ihvh.jpg

Peace

muslims

Can the following verse

Indeed, those who have said "Our Lord is Allah"
(4613)

be translated as follows?

Indeed, those who have said "Our Lord is God"
(4613)

or

Indeed, those who have said "Our God is God"
(4613)

muslims

God is One. Other gods are imaginary. There is no category of gods.

Salam

Your argument is denying other faith and their God(s). You are claiming absolute truth and denies all references to "God" in other religions. Therefore, it is not really an argument, but an opinion. It is a dogma and an assertion which cannot be tested as true or false; ie. an assumption.

Below is the pattern of your "opinion"

(1) I define God is Allah.
(2) No, seriously, other references is not God! <- Absolute denial of their reference to God(s)
(3) Therefore, God is Allah.

Similarly ...

(1) God exists.
(2) Therefore, God exists!

(1) I define God is Allah.
(2) Therefore, God is Allah! <- Because I say so!!!

(1) Even if other religions made reference to God, it would be better if people believed God is Allah.
(2) Therefore, God is Allah.

(2) Even an idiot can see that God is Allah.
(3) Therefore, God is Allah.

Is this faith? Nope, it is an assumption; They follow not except assumption, and indeed, assumption avails not against the truth at all (532(27.

Peace.

Man_of_Faith

Salaam,

I have made my elaboration through grammar why God is equal to Allah and there is nothing more to be added. You are just accusing me of dogma and returning with your statements that I already counteracted upon. So I have said what was needed. You can study my posts and rethink upon what I said.

God bless you

diamantinehoneybunch

Are you saying that Allah, the Arabic word is the only valid name for Him?

So what about Lord? There are many lords in the world.

Salam,

I'm talking about the "concept of God" (category) understand by all human beings, regardless of religions, not about names of Allah.

Peace

The reason why I made that post is because you say that Allah is not God because there are many G/gods.

So what about Lord? Rabb is translated to Lord. However there are many lords in the world. Lord of the Rings etc.

muslims

Salam,

I'm talking about the "concept of God" (category) understand by all human beings, regardless of religions, not about names of Allah.

Peace

The reason why I made that post is because you say that Allah is not God because there are many G/gods.

So what about Lord? Rabb is translated to Lord. However there are many lords in the world. Lord of the Rings etc.

Salam,

I have answered your question.

Which part you did not understand?

Salaam muslims. What about ? Rabb is always translated into Lord (with capital L). Does that mean it is also wrong? Are you saying that Allah, the Arabic word is the only His true name? What about YHVH, Eloah etc?

Sura 112 The "definition provision for Allah" in the Qur'an

There is also no harm to call Allah as God/god since it is also referred in the Qur'an. These are not the issue.

Salaam diamantinehoneybunch,

I'm referring to a "definition or interpretation provision/sura". It is a sura or provision that defines words in the Qur'an. Similarly, we have a "The Interpretation Act 1978 (UK)", "The Interpretation Act 1987 (NSW)", or an interpretation provision in every statutory acts; "In this Act the following words and expressions are used in the following senses, unless a contrary intention appears from the context"; Section 2 in every statutory legislation, or an interpretation clause in every Contracts.

Therefore, Allah can use any names or identifiers; whether it is Rabb, Ar-Rahman, Ar-Raheem, God, god, YHVH, Eloah etc, but all these names are subject to the interpretation provision in the Qur'an; ie. Sura al-Ikhlas, a sura that define the actual meaning of Allah.

Why would Allah use similar concepts? Maybe because human beings only understand the concept of "gods" for creations. However, this is not definite and human will understand the actual concept of Allah after becoming a Believer. The understanding of Allah is a "life process" but not the end descriptions or meanings of Allah. It is not something that can be taken for granted or achieve through academical process, but a privilege, and dependent on the level of our faith.

Peace

muslims

Salaam,

I have made my elaboration through grammar why God is equal to Allah and there is nothing more to be added. You are just accusing me of dogma and returning with your statements that I already counteracted upon. So I have said what was needed. You can study my posts and rethink upon what I said.

God bless you

Salaam,

You can read post #1, where I have structured my logical argument and stated clearly the issue in this thread. What is the issue?

Is it about grammar, languages and spellings? or

It is related to "(equivalent concept of) gods worshiped by human beings?"

Logical Argument

Premise 1 There are many (equivalent concept of) gods worshiped by human beings.
Premise 2 Sura 112 said Allah is One and not equivalent to god(s).

You can refer to Wakas's post if you cannot identify the issue and the structure of logical arguments. It is very useful.

The key is to follow a robust/verifiable methodology, and in my view, why not let Quran tell you how to do that? My view here
http//www.quran434.com/study-method.html

However and since you are claiming absolute truth (refer here) and denies all references to "God" in other religions, it is then a dogma, an assumption. An assertion which cannot be tested as true or false; ie. "God is Allah because I/We says so.".

(1) I define God is Allah.
(2) Therefore, God is Allah! <- Because I say so!!!

God bless you

diamantinehoneybunch

Yeah, all Muslims from Finland, Ukraine, Russia, Australia, Sweden, Belgium, Luxembourg, Monaco, North Pole and other countries througout the world must say Allah because 'God' in their languages are not Allah.
yeah
Makes perfect sense!

muslims

Yeah, all Muslims from Finland, Ukraine, Russia, Australia, Sweden, Belgium, Luxembourg, Monaco, North Pole and other countries througout the world must say Allah because 'God' in their languages are not Allah.
yeah
Makes perfect sense!

Salam

Which part you did not understand?

There is also no harm to call Allah as God/god since it is also referred in the Qur'an. These are not the issue.

Peace.

Man_of_Faith

Salaam,

There is no dogma since I am not trying to force anyone into accepting it is truth. I was saying that I made a clear elaboration through grammar and it was a logical argument too since I went through the grammar several times to clarify my point. So do not come here and say I have no basis or methodology as I was structure by structure going through why the word God is equal to the usage of Allah. Grammar use does explain why it would be God instead of Allah if the book was written in English by God Himself.

I refuted your claim, but you still come with empty arguments that circumvent my point. And also blamed me for not discussing the topic of this thread.

God bless you

muslims

Salaam,

There is no dogma since I am not trying to force anyone into accepting it is truth. I was saying that I made a clear elaboration through grammar and it was a logical argument too since I went through the grammar several times to clarify my point. So do not come here and say I have no basis or methodology as I was structure by structure going through why the word God is equal to the usage of Allah. Grammar use does explain why it would be God instead of Allah if the book was written in English by God Himself.

I refuted your claim, but you still come with empty arguments that circumvent my point. And also blamed me for not discussing the topic of this thread.

God bless you

Salaam,

Read carefully and understand the issue of this thread before presenting an argument, and a dogma is not about forcing others, it is about supporting your belief with valid logical reasoning. Further, there is a difference between "Allah is God" and "God is Allah", and you are not saying "Allah is God", but in actuality, you are saying "God is Allah" because you denies all references to "God" in other religions. You are claiming absolute truth for the usage of the English word "God" (refer here). Therefore your argument also means that God comes first and bigger concept than Allah. The "G".

God bless you

Mazhar

Is it true that Allah is God ?

Facts

La Illah Ila Allah
There is no god but Allah

Sura 112 The "definition provision for Allah" in the Qur'an

Say, "He is Allah, One
Allah, the Eternal Refuge
He neither begets nor is born
Nor is there to Him any equivalent"
(112)

Logical Argument

Premise 1 There are many (equivalent concept of) gods worshiped by human beings.
Premise 2 Sura 112 said Allah is One and not equivalent to god(s).

Argument Therefore, Allah is . . . ?
(a) God; or
(b) not God

The predicate of "La" is elided. Determine/estimate what could be the elided predicate; the meanings and perception of the sentence will become explicitly evident matching ground realities.

English word God noun
supreme being the being believed in monotheistic religions such as Judaism, Islam, and Christianity to be the all-powerful all-knowing creator of the universe, worshiped as the only god

interjection
expression of strong feeling used to express or emphasize feelings such as anger, helplessness, and frustration (sometimes considered offensive)

The being has a name.That is the reason people assign hypothetical names for their various presumptive gods.

Man_of_Faith

Salaam,

No I said that God, the name, is equal to Allah. Where you get a bigger concept from is a mystery to me.

God bless you

unknownuser

Peace muslim

Now I understand the way you create this thread.You didn't talk about grammar, but you differ Allah's Islam from another gods/God especially Christian and Judaism's Allah.
And you reference based on laa ila ha ilallah.

Yes I agree with you.Months ago I watch an Islam-Christian debate video on youtube

http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=YoJ_7yWLF6U (because you understand Indonesian I provide this to you)

The topic in that video is "Samakah Tuhan Islam dan Kristen"
On that video Rev. Gershom Ben Morshe (former muslim) give some simple explanation about that (minute 02554-039-36)

Peace

muslims

Peace muslim

Now I understand the way you create this thread.You didn't talk about grammar, but you differ Allah's Islam from another gods/God especially Christian and Judaism's Allah.
And you reference based on laa ila ha ilallah.

Yes I agree with you.Months ago I watch an Islam-Christian debate video on youtube

http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=YoJ_7yWLF6U (because you understand Indonesian I provide this to you)

The topic in that video is "Samakah Tuhan Islam dan Kristen"
On that video Rev. Gershom Ben Morshe (former muslim) give some simple explanation about that (minute 02554-039-36)

Peace

Salam

It is true. This thread is not about grammar, languages and spellings, but the issue is related to the "equivalent concept of gods worshipped by human beings." Sura 112 said Allah is One and not equivalent to God(s). Further, the highest form of God is "Self". The "Self" is giving birth and establishing hundreds and thousands of religions. It is the main God for all God(s).

The Qur'anic standard for the attainment of righteousness
(how to defeat and be free from the God within ourselves)
http//static1.cargurus.com/gfx/cargurus/inventorylistings/circle_arrow_up_green_small.gif
Level of shirk and understanding of the Qur'an
http//static1.cargurus.com/gfx/cargurus/inventorylistings/circle_arrow_up_green_small.gif
Allah has not made for a man two hearts in his interior.
(334)
http//static1.cargurus.com/gfx/cargurus/inventorylistings/circle_arrow_up_green_small.gif
La Illah Ila Allah
There is no God but Allah
http//api.ning.com/files/uGCxg7sZSOsBbNwvSUN0m6uFBP5OUvR7e-3lYPcnfzzdki1NKdfBKiMBEzKhhqFLbCaNgzbOCTwHTwBFp0cz3nyqUP-l7F1/arrowDownSmall.png
Definition of God
http//api.ning.com/files/uGCxg7sZSOsBbNwvSUN0m6uFBP5OUvR7e-3lYPcnfzzdki1NKdfBKiMBEzKhhqFLbCaNgzbOCTwHTwBFp0cz3nyqUP-l7F1/arrowDownSmall.png
Our own desire is in the category of God
http//api.ning.com/files/uGCxg7sZSOsBbNwvSUN0m6uFBP5OUvR7e-3lYPcnfzzdki1NKdfBKiMBEzKhhqFLbCaNgzbOCTwHTwBFp0cz3nyqUP-l7F1/arrowDownSmall.png
Have you seen the one who takes as his God his own desire?
(2543)
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Have you seen he who has taken as his God his desire
(4523)
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Proof from the Qur'an?

Peace

muslims

The being has a name.That is the reason people assign hypothetical names for their various presumptive gods.

Salam

Therefore, it is a concept or an idea that can be made "equivalent" to another "being". Sura 112 said Allah is One and not equivalent to another "being".

Peace.

muslims

Deaf, dumb and blind - so they will not return (21

http//s21.postimg.org/glw5wxgwn/god.png

Nor is there to Him any equivalent" <- absolute denial, exclusion principle
(112)

Rather, they have denied that which they encompass not in knowledge <- ie. made equivalent
and whose interpretation has not yet come to them
(1039)

No change should there be in the creation of Allah
That is the correct deen
but most of the people do not know
(3030)

The Qur'an is not about Allah, but it is about His creations.

Allah is God ?

Premise 1 There are many (equivalent concept of) gods worshiped by human beings. Premise 2 Sura 112 said Allah is One and not equivalent to god(s).

Premise 1 There are many (equivalent concept of) gods worshiped by human beings.
Premise 2 Sura 112 said Allah is One and not equivalent to god(s).