Allah is God ?
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God is One. Other gods are imaginary. There is no category of gods.
Salam
Your argument is denying other faith and their God(s). You are claiming absolute truth and denies all references to "God" in other religions. Therefore, it is not really an argument, but an opinion. It is a dogma and an assertion which cannot be tested as true or false; ie. an assumption.
Below is the pattern of your "opinion"
(1) I define God is Allah.
(2) No, seriously, other references is not God! <- Absolute denial of their reference to God(s)
(3) Therefore, God is Allah.Similarly ...
(1) God exists.
(2) Therefore, God exists!(1) I define God is Allah.
(2) Therefore, God is Allah! <- Because I say so!!!(1) Even if other religions made reference to God, it would be better if people believed God is Allah.
(2) Therefore, God is Allah.(2) Even an idiot can see that God is Allah.
(3) Therefore, God is Allah.Is this faith? Nope, it is an assumption; They follow not except assumption, and indeed, assumption avails not against the truth at all (532(27.
Peace.
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Salaam,
I have made my elaboration through grammar why God is equal to Allah and there is nothing more to be added. You are just accusing me of dogma and returning with your statements that I already counteracted upon. So I have said what was needed. You can study my posts and rethink upon what I said.
God bless you
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Are you saying that Allah, the Arabic word is the only valid name for Him?
So what about Lord? There are many lords in the world.
Salam,
I'm talking about the "concept of God" (category) understand by all human beings, regardless of religions, not about names of Allah.
Peace
The reason why I made that post is because you say that Allah is not God because there are many G/gods.
So what about Lord? Rabb is translated to Lord. However there are many lords in the world. Lord of the Rings etc.
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Salam,
I'm talking about the "concept of God" (category) understand by all human beings, regardless of religions, not about names of Allah.
Peace
The reason why I made that post is because you say that Allah is not God because there are many G/gods.
So what about Lord? Rabb is translated to Lord. However there are many lords in the world. Lord of the Rings etc.
Salam,
I have answered your question.
Which part you did not understand?
Salaam muslims. What about ? Rabb is always translated into Lord (with capital L). Does that mean it is also wrong? Are you saying that Allah, the Arabic word is the only His true name? What about YHVH, Eloah etc?
Sura 112 The "definition provision for Allah" in the Qur'an
There is also no harm to call Allah as God/god since it is also referred in the Qur'an. These are not the issue.
Salaam diamantinehoneybunch,
I'm referring to a "definition or interpretation provision/sura". It is a sura or provision that defines words in the Qur'an. Similarly, we have a "The Interpretation Act 1978 (UK)", "The Interpretation Act 1987 (NSW)", or an interpretation provision in every statutory acts; "In this Act the following words and expressions are used in the following senses, unless a contrary intention appears from the context"; Section 2 in every statutory legislation, or an interpretation clause in every Contracts.
Therefore, Allah can use any names or identifiers; whether it is Rabb, Ar-Rahman, Ar-Raheem, God, god, YHVH, Eloah etc, but all these names are subject to the interpretation provision in the Qur'an; ie. Sura al-Ikhlas, a sura that define the actual meaning of Allah.
Why would Allah use similar concepts? Maybe because human beings only understand the concept of "gods" for creations. However, this is not definite and human will understand the actual concept of Allah after becoming a Believer. The understanding of Allah is a "life process" but not the end descriptions or meanings of Allah. It is not something that can be taken for granted or achieve through academical process, but a privilege, and dependent on the level of our faith.
Peace
Peace
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Salaam,
I have made my elaboration through grammar why God is equal to Allah and there is nothing more to be added. You are just accusing me of dogma and returning with your statements that I already counteracted upon. So I have said what was needed. You can study my posts and rethink upon what I said.
God bless you
Salaam,
You can read post #1, where I have structured my logical argument and stated clearly the issue in this thread. What is the issue?
Is it about grammar, languages and spellings? or
It is related to "(equivalent concept of) gods worshiped by human beings?"
Logical Argument
Premise 1 There are many (equivalent concept of) gods worshiped by human beings.
Premise 2 Sura 112 said Allah is One and not equivalent to god(s).You can refer to Wakas's post if you cannot identify the issue and the structure of logical arguments. It is very useful.
The key is to follow a robust/verifiable methodology, and in my view, why not let Quran tell you how to do that? My view here
http//www.quran434.com/study-method.htmlHowever and since you are claiming absolute truth (refer here) and denies all references to "God" in other religions, it is then a dogma, an assumption. An assertion which cannot be tested as true or false; ie. "God is Allah because I/We says so.".
(1) I define God is Allah.
(2) Therefore, God is Allah! <- Because I say so!!!God bless you
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Yeah, all Muslims from Finland, Ukraine, Russia, Australia, Sweden, Belgium, Luxembourg, Monaco, North Pole and other countries througout the world must say Allah because 'God' in their languages are not Allah.
yeah
Makes perfect sense! -
Yeah, all Muslims from Finland, Ukraine, Russia, Australia, Sweden, Belgium, Luxembourg, Monaco, North Pole and other countries througout the world must say Allah because 'God' in their languages are not Allah.
yeah
Makes perfect sense!Salam
Which part you did not understand?
There is also no harm to call Allah as God/god since it is also referred in the Qur'an. These are not the issue.
Peace.
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Salaam,
There is no dogma since I am not trying to force anyone into accepting it is truth. I was saying that I made a clear elaboration through grammar and it was a logical argument too since I went through the grammar several times to clarify my point. So do not come here and say I have no basis or methodology as I was structure by structure going through why the word God is equal to the usage of Allah. Grammar use does explain why it would be God instead of Allah if the book was written in English by God Himself.
I refuted your claim, but you still come with empty arguments that circumvent my point. And also blamed me for not discussing the topic of this thread.
God bless you
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Salaam,
There is no dogma since I am not trying to force anyone into accepting it is truth. I was saying that I made a clear elaboration through grammar and it was a logical argument too since I went through the grammar several times to clarify my point. So do not come here and say I have no basis or methodology as I was structure by structure going through why the word God is equal to the usage of Allah. Grammar use does explain why it would be God instead of Allah if the book was written in English by God Himself.
I refuted your claim, but you still come with empty arguments that circumvent my point. And also blamed me for not discussing the topic of this thread.
God bless you
Salaam,
Read carefully and understand the issue of this thread before presenting an argument, and a dogma is not about forcing others, it is about supporting your belief with valid logical reasoning. Further, there is a difference between "Allah is God" and "God is Allah", and you are not saying "Allah is God", but in actuality, you are saying "God is Allah" because you denies all references to "God" in other religions. You are claiming absolute truth for the usage of the English word "God" (refer here). Therefore your argument also means that God comes first and bigger concept than Allah. The "G".
God bless you
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Is it true that Allah is God ?
Facts
La Illah Ila Allah
There is no god but AllahSura 112 The "definition provision for Allah" in the Qur'an
Say, "He is Allah, One
Allah, the Eternal Refuge
He neither begets nor is born
Nor is there to Him any equivalent"
(112)Logical Argument
Premise 1 There are many (equivalent concept of) gods worshiped by human beings.
Premise 2 Sura 112 said Allah is One and not equivalent to god(s).Argument Therefore, Allah is . . . ?
(a) God; or
(b) not GodThe predicate of "La" is elided. Determine/estimate what could be the elided predicate; the meanings and perception of the sentence will become explicitly evident matching ground realities.
English word God noun
supreme being the being believed in monotheistic religions such as Judaism, Islam, and Christianity to be the all-powerful all-knowing creator of the universe, worshiped as the only godinterjection
expression of strong feeling used to express or emphasize feelings such as anger, helplessness, and frustration (sometimes considered offensive)Microsoft? Encarta? 2006. ? 1993-2005 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.
The being has a name.That is the reason people assign hypothetical names for their various presumptive gods.
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Salaam,
No I said that God, the name, is equal to Allah. Where you get a bigger concept from is a mystery to me.
God bless you
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Peace muslim
Now I understand the way you create this thread.You didn't talk about grammar, but you differ Allah's Islam from another gods/God especially Christian and Judaism's Allah.
And you reference based on laa ila ha ilallah.Yes I agree with you.Months ago I watch an Islam-Christian debate video on youtube
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=YoJ_7yWLF6U (because you understand Indonesian I provide this to you)
The topic in that video is "Samakah Tuhan Islam dan Kristen"
On that video Rev. Gershom Ben Morshe (former muslim) give some simple explanation about that (minute 02554-039-36)Peace
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Peace muslim
Now I understand the way you create this thread.You didn't talk about grammar, but you differ Allah's Islam from another gods/God especially Christian and Judaism's Allah.
And you reference based on laa ila ha ilallah.Yes I agree with you.Months ago I watch an Islam-Christian debate video on youtube
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=YoJ_7yWLF6U (because you understand Indonesian I provide this to you)
The topic in that video is "Samakah Tuhan Islam dan Kristen"
On that video Rev. Gershom Ben Morshe (former muslim) give some simple explanation about that (minute 02554-039-36)Peace
Salam
It is true. This thread is not about grammar, languages and spellings, but the issue is related to the "equivalent concept of gods worshipped by human beings." Sura 112 said Allah is One and not equivalent to God(s). Further, the highest form of God is "Self". The "Self" is giving birth and establishing hundreds and thousands of religions. It is the main God for all God(s).
The Qur'anic standard for the attainment of righteousness
(how to defeat and be free from the God within ourselves)
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Level of shirk and understanding of the Qur'an
http//static1.cargurus.com/gfx/cargurus/inventorylistings/circle_arrow_up_green_small.gif
Allah has not made for a man two hearts in his interior.
(334)
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La Illah Ila Allah
There is no God but Allah
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Definition of God
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Our own desire is in the category of God
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Have you seen the one who takes as his God his own desire?
(2543)
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Have you seen he who has taken as his God his desire
(4523)
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Proof from the Qur'an?Peace
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The being has a name.That is the reason people assign hypothetical names for their various presumptive gods.
Salam
Therefore, it is a concept or an idea that can be made "equivalent" to another "being". Sura 112 said Allah is One and not equivalent to another "being".
Peace.
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Deaf, dumb and blind - so they will not return (21
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Nor is there to Him any equivalent" <- absolute denial, exclusion principle
(112)Rather, they have denied that which they encompass not in knowledge <- ie. made equivalent
and whose interpretation has not yet come to them
(1039)No change should there be in the creation of Allah
That is the correct deen
but most of the people do not know
(3030)The Qur'an is not about Allah, but it is about His creations.
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Salam
Therefore, it is a concept or an idea that can be made "equivalent" to another "being". Sura 112 said Allah is One and not equivalent to another "being".
Peace.
Polytheists do not equate Allah the Exalted with other gods. Their ultimate argument for justifying thier gods is this
"We do not worship them except for the purpose that they might cause us to be nearer in access to Allah the Exalted".
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Polytheists do not equate Allah the Exalted with other gods. Their ultimate argument for justifying thier gods is this
"We do not worship them except for the purpose that they might cause us to be nearer in access to Allah the Exalted".
Salam
Religious people (the polytheists, sectarianism, bigot) equate and compare one god to the other and chose their one true God among other God(s). They equate the concept Godhood; and this leads to duality. Sura 112 declares Allah is One (that cannot be broken down into parts or fragments, non-centricity and no boundary, there is nothing in existence other than Him and nothing is within the micro or macro realms of existence) and "Nor is there to Him any equivalent". Sura 112 declares Allah is not equivalent to God. This primary message negated and nullified the concept of Godhood altogether; There is no God but Allah ... ?There is no God, there is only Allah" and there is a System (Deen) present within life, by which those who fail to comply, are led to suffer the consequences of their own actions.
?Nothing in existence within the micro or the macro planes is equivalent to HU!? (4211)
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Peace.
p/s A Muslim do not "worship" Allah, but they "serve" to Allah. Worshipping God is for religious people and sectarianism.
You alone we do serve
and to You alone we beseech for help
(14)I have created the jinn and men only so that they may serve Me
(5156)Say, "Indeed
my prayer
my rites of sacrifice
my living
and my dying
are for Allah
Lord of the worlds
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From a God who thinks like a man
(God is Allah)
to a man who thinks like Allah!http//tozzwoods.com/yahoo_site_admin/assets/images/Elephant_puzzle.336220550_std.jpg
A puzzle which is not meant to be solved.
(Nor is there to Him any equivalent)http//www.supercoloring.com/wp-content/uploads/main/2013_01/elephant-is-playing-with-a-ball-dot-to-dot.jpg
The seven heavens and the earth and all that is therein, glorify Him
and there is not a thing but glorifies His Praise
But you understand not their glorification
Truly, He is Ever Forbearing, Oft-Forgiving
(1744)Is it then other than Allah's "dni" (ِ that they seek
and to Him submits (Islam - َ
whoever is in the heavens and the earth
willingly or unwillingly
and to Him shall they be returned
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This primary message negated and nullified the concept of Godhood altogether; There is no God but Allah ... ?There is no God, there is only Allah" and there is a System (Deen) present within life, by which those who fail to comply, are led to suffer the consequences of their own actions.
Exception "Illa" relates back to Ielah. Allah the Exalted has not negated the relaity of He being the Ielah-the God in English-the Supernatural-Non-Matter Personality. All other ielah-gods are but matter or from matter or abstract thought.