Allah is God ?
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Salam,
I'm talking about the "concept of God" (category) understand by all human beings, regardless of religions, not about names of Allah.
Peace
The reason why I made that post is because you say that Allah is not God because there are many G/gods.
So what about Lord? Rabb is translated to Lord. However there are many lords in the world. Lord of the Rings etc.
Salam,
I have answered your question.
Which part you did not understand?
Salaam muslims. What about ? Rabb is always translated into Lord (with capital L). Does that mean it is also wrong? Are you saying that Allah, the Arabic word is the only His true name? What about YHVH, Eloah etc?
Sura 112 The "definition provision for Allah" in the Qur'an
There is also no harm to call Allah as God/god since it is also referred in the Qur'an. These are not the issue.
Salaam diamantinehoneybunch,
I'm referring to a "definition or interpretation provision/sura". It is a sura or provision that defines words in the Qur'an. Similarly, we have a "The Interpretation Act 1978 (UK)", "The Interpretation Act 1987 (NSW)", or an interpretation provision in every statutory acts; "In this Act the following words and expressions are used in the following senses, unless a contrary intention appears from the context"; Section 2 in every statutory legislation, or an interpretation clause in every Contracts.
Therefore, Allah can use any names or identifiers; whether it is Rabb, Ar-Rahman, Ar-Raheem, God, god, YHVH, Eloah etc, but all these names are subject to the interpretation provision in the Qur'an; ie. Sura al-Ikhlas, a sura that define the actual meaning of Allah.
Why would Allah use similar concepts? Maybe because human beings only understand the concept of "gods" for creations. However, this is not definite and human will understand the actual concept of Allah after becoming a Believer. The understanding of Allah is a "life process" but not the end descriptions or meanings of Allah. It is not something that can be taken for granted or achieve through academical process, but a privilege, and dependent on the level of our faith.
Peace
Peace
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Salaam,
I have made my elaboration through grammar why God is equal to Allah and there is nothing more to be added. You are just accusing me of dogma and returning with your statements that I already counteracted upon. So I have said what was needed. You can study my posts and rethink upon what I said.
God bless you
Salaam,
You can read post #1, where I have structured my logical argument and stated clearly the issue in this thread. What is the issue?
Is it about grammar, languages and spellings? or
It is related to "(equivalent concept of) gods worshiped by human beings?"
Logical Argument
Premise 1 There are many (equivalent concept of) gods worshiped by human beings.
Premise 2 Sura 112 said Allah is One and not equivalent to god(s).You can refer to Wakas's post if you cannot identify the issue and the structure of logical arguments. It is very useful.
The key is to follow a robust/verifiable methodology, and in my view, why not let Quran tell you how to do that? My view here
http//www.quran434.com/study-method.htmlHowever and since you are claiming absolute truth (refer here) and denies all references to "God" in other religions, it is then a dogma, an assumption. An assertion which cannot be tested as true or false; ie. "God is Allah because I/We says so.".
(1) I define God is Allah.
(2) Therefore, God is Allah! <- Because I say so!!!God bless you
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Yeah, all Muslims from Finland, Ukraine, Russia, Australia, Sweden, Belgium, Luxembourg, Monaco, North Pole and other countries througout the world must say Allah because 'God' in their languages are not Allah.
yeah
Makes perfect sense! -
Yeah, all Muslims from Finland, Ukraine, Russia, Australia, Sweden, Belgium, Luxembourg, Monaco, North Pole and other countries througout the world must say Allah because 'God' in their languages are not Allah.
yeah
Makes perfect sense!Salam
Which part you did not understand?
There is also no harm to call Allah as God/god since it is also referred in the Qur'an. These are not the issue.
Peace.
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Salaam,
There is no dogma since I am not trying to force anyone into accepting it is truth. I was saying that I made a clear elaboration through grammar and it was a logical argument too since I went through the grammar several times to clarify my point. So do not come here and say I have no basis or methodology as I was structure by structure going through why the word God is equal to the usage of Allah. Grammar use does explain why it would be God instead of Allah if the book was written in English by God Himself.
I refuted your claim, but you still come with empty arguments that circumvent my point. And also blamed me for not discussing the topic of this thread.
God bless you
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Salaam,
There is no dogma since I am not trying to force anyone into accepting it is truth. I was saying that I made a clear elaboration through grammar and it was a logical argument too since I went through the grammar several times to clarify my point. So do not come here and say I have no basis or methodology as I was structure by structure going through why the word God is equal to the usage of Allah. Grammar use does explain why it would be God instead of Allah if the book was written in English by God Himself.
I refuted your claim, but you still come with empty arguments that circumvent my point. And also blamed me for not discussing the topic of this thread.
God bless you
Salaam,
Read carefully and understand the issue of this thread before presenting an argument, and a dogma is not about forcing others, it is about supporting your belief with valid logical reasoning. Further, there is a difference between "Allah is God" and "God is Allah", and you are not saying "Allah is God", but in actuality, you are saying "God is Allah" because you denies all references to "God" in other religions. You are claiming absolute truth for the usage of the English word "God" (refer here). Therefore your argument also means that God comes first and bigger concept than Allah. The "G".
God bless you
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Is it true that Allah is God ?
Facts
La Illah Ila Allah
There is no god but AllahSura 112 The "definition provision for Allah" in the Qur'an
Say, "He is Allah, One
Allah, the Eternal Refuge
He neither begets nor is born
Nor is there to Him any equivalent"
(112)Logical Argument
Premise 1 There are many (equivalent concept of) gods worshiped by human beings.
Premise 2 Sura 112 said Allah is One and not equivalent to god(s).Argument Therefore, Allah is . . . ?
(a) God; or
(b) not GodThe predicate of "La" is elided. Determine/estimate what could be the elided predicate; the meanings and perception of the sentence will become explicitly evident matching ground realities.
English word God noun
supreme being the being believed in monotheistic religions such as Judaism, Islam, and Christianity to be the all-powerful all-knowing creator of the universe, worshiped as the only godinterjection
expression of strong feeling used to express or emphasize feelings such as anger, helplessness, and frustration (sometimes considered offensive)Microsoft? Encarta? 2006. ? 1993-2005 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.
The being has a name.That is the reason people assign hypothetical names for their various presumptive gods.
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Salaam,
No I said that God, the name, is equal to Allah. Where you get a bigger concept from is a mystery to me.
God bless you
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Peace muslim
Now I understand the way you create this thread.You didn't talk about grammar, but you differ Allah's Islam from another gods/God especially Christian and Judaism's Allah.
And you reference based on laa ila ha ilallah.Yes I agree with you.Months ago I watch an Islam-Christian debate video on youtube
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=YoJ_7yWLF6U (because you understand Indonesian I provide this to you)
The topic in that video is "Samakah Tuhan Islam dan Kristen"
On that video Rev. Gershom Ben Morshe (former muslim) give some simple explanation about that (minute 02554-039-36)Peace
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Peace muslim
Now I understand the way you create this thread.You didn't talk about grammar, but you differ Allah's Islam from another gods/God especially Christian and Judaism's Allah.
And you reference based on laa ila ha ilallah.Yes I agree with you.Months ago I watch an Islam-Christian debate video on youtube
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=YoJ_7yWLF6U (because you understand Indonesian I provide this to you)
The topic in that video is "Samakah Tuhan Islam dan Kristen"
On that video Rev. Gershom Ben Morshe (former muslim) give some simple explanation about that (minute 02554-039-36)Peace
Salam
It is true. This thread is not about grammar, languages and spellings, but the issue is related to the "equivalent concept of gods worshipped by human beings." Sura 112 said Allah is One and not equivalent to God(s). Further, the highest form of God is "Self". The "Self" is giving birth and establishing hundreds and thousands of religions. It is the main God for all God(s).
The Qur'anic standard for the attainment of righteousness
(how to defeat and be free from the God within ourselves)
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Level of shirk and understanding of the Qur'an
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Allah has not made for a man two hearts in his interior.
(334)
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La Illah Ila Allah
There is no God but Allah
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Definition of God
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Our own desire is in the category of God
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Have you seen the one who takes as his God his own desire?
(2543)
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Have you seen he who has taken as his God his desire
(4523)
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Proof from the Qur'an?Peace
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The being has a name.That is the reason people assign hypothetical names for their various presumptive gods.
Salam
Therefore, it is a concept or an idea that can be made "equivalent" to another "being". Sura 112 said Allah is One and not equivalent to another "being".
Peace.
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Deaf, dumb and blind - so they will not return (21
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Nor is there to Him any equivalent" <- absolute denial, exclusion principle
(112)Rather, they have denied that which they encompass not in knowledge <- ie. made equivalent
and whose interpretation has not yet come to them
(1039)No change should there be in the creation of Allah
That is the correct deen
but most of the people do not know
(3030)The Qur'an is not about Allah, but it is about His creations.
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Salam
Therefore, it is a concept or an idea that can be made "equivalent" to another "being". Sura 112 said Allah is One and not equivalent to another "being".
Peace.
Polytheists do not equate Allah the Exalted with other gods. Their ultimate argument for justifying thier gods is this
"We do not worship them except for the purpose that they might cause us to be nearer in access to Allah the Exalted".
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Polytheists do not equate Allah the Exalted with other gods. Their ultimate argument for justifying thier gods is this
"We do not worship them except for the purpose that they might cause us to be nearer in access to Allah the Exalted".
Salam
Religious people (the polytheists, sectarianism, bigot) equate and compare one god to the other and chose their one true God among other God(s). They equate the concept Godhood; and this leads to duality. Sura 112 declares Allah is One (that cannot be broken down into parts or fragments, non-centricity and no boundary, there is nothing in existence other than Him and nothing is within the micro or macro realms of existence) and "Nor is there to Him any equivalent". Sura 112 declares Allah is not equivalent to God. This primary message negated and nullified the concept of Godhood altogether; There is no God but Allah ... ?There is no God, there is only Allah" and there is a System (Deen) present within life, by which those who fail to comply, are led to suffer the consequences of their own actions.
?Nothing in existence within the micro or the macro planes is equivalent to HU!? (4211)
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Peace.
p/s A Muslim do not "worship" Allah, but they "serve" to Allah. Worshipping God is for religious people and sectarianism.
You alone we do serve
and to You alone we beseech for help
(14)I have created the jinn and men only so that they may serve Me
(5156)Say, "Indeed
my prayer
my rites of sacrifice
my living
and my dying
are for Allah
Lord of the worlds
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From a God who thinks like a man
(God is Allah)
to a man who thinks like Allah!http//tozzwoods.com/yahoo_site_admin/assets/images/Elephant_puzzle.336220550_std.jpg
A puzzle which is not meant to be solved.
(Nor is there to Him any equivalent)http//www.supercoloring.com/wp-content/uploads/main/2013_01/elephant-is-playing-with-a-ball-dot-to-dot.jpg
The seven heavens and the earth and all that is therein, glorify Him
and there is not a thing but glorifies His Praise
But you understand not their glorification
Truly, He is Ever Forbearing, Oft-Forgiving
(1744)Is it then other than Allah's "dni" (ِ that they seek
and to Him submits (Islam - َ
whoever is in the heavens and the earth
willingly or unwillingly
and to Him shall they be returned
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This primary message negated and nullified the concept of Godhood altogether; There is no God but Allah ... ?There is no God, there is only Allah" and there is a System (Deen) present within life, by which those who fail to comply, are led to suffer the consequences of their own actions.
Exception "Illa" relates back to Ielah. Allah the Exalted has not negated the relaity of He being the Ielah-the God in English-the Supernatural-Non-Matter Personality. All other ielah-gods are but matter or from matter or abstract thought.
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Exception "Illa" relates back to Ielah. Allah the Exalted has not negated the relaity of He being the Ielah-the God in English-the Supernatural-Non-Matter Personality. All other ielah-gods are but matter or from matter or abstract thought.
Salam
I'm referring to some comments on the "La" and "illa".
First
Btw the word Allah and l-ilah is still different words, because merging Al and ilah into "Allah" has no rule in Arabic.
Second
The Arabic statement
La rajulun illa Ali can be translated literally as
?There is no real man except/but Ali?
or ?There is no man like Ali?
or ?Among the men none are Ali?s alike?- note that all of these statements denote there are in fact other men (duality, Ali and other men), but they are not like Ali (who is also a man and can be compared or made equivalent to other men).
However, when the word illa is used in conjunction with the word ALLAH
it does not mean ?a god like Allah?
that is, it should not be understood as
?there other gods, but none are like Allah? (duality, Allah and other God(s))
as the very meaning denoted by the word ALLAH
invalidates this supposition from the onsetJust as the auxiliary verb was (khaane)
when used in conjunction with Allah
loses its general meaning and is taken as the present simple tense
when the word except (illa) appears next to the word Allah
it also loses its general connotation and is taken to mean only.Here is an example
KhaanALLAhu gafurur rahiyma
cannot be translated as ?Allah was Ghafur and Rahim?
as the qualities denoted by the Names of Allah cannot be subject to time
they are ever present and ever effectiveSimilarly, illa Allah cannot mean except (duality) Allah
which denotes the existence of others (duality)
but must be understood as only Allah!
The qualities of the One to which the word Allah refers
does not accept the existence of another
especially that beside itselfHence, khaane, illa and all other expressions that denote time and (other) existence
must be construed appropriate to the meaning of Allah
when used in conjunction with it
Otherwise, it will inevitably result in the conception of a god beyond!Now examining the Word of Unity
There is no God, there is only Allah in light of this consideration
the first message that we are given is There is no god
Only after this definite denunciation we are told ILLA ALLAHAs explained above
because the word illa is used besides the word Allah
(usage of "La" and usage of "illa" is not on men or objects)
the only correct construal of this statement can be ONLY ALLAH
as opposed to
except Allah
or
but Allah
for there is no other being in existence
to which Allah can be compared to
or excluded from!Therefore, the correct translation is
?There is no God, there is only Allah"
or
?There is no God, only Allah" (One! that cannot be broken down into parts or fragments)
Peace
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Exception "Illa" relates back to Ielah. Allah the Exalted has not negated the relaity of He being the Ielah-the God in English-the Supernatural-Non-Matter Personality. All other ielah-gods are but matter or from matter or abstract thought.
Peace Mazhar
What is that red term??I ever study english in my school time years ago, but it's the first time I heard about it.
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La rajulun illa Ali
This sentence has no relevance to the sentence La Illah Ila Allah
Rajulun is the subject of the nominal sentence and being indefinite in nominative case and absolute state its specification is necessary and needs to be estimated as elision. He and Ali both remain as Man and negation for that indefinite man is in relation to some attribute of Ali.
In the sentence La Illah Ila Allah; La is not simple negation but negation of genus since the subject noun is in accusative. Here Illah denotes a group-a family of deities who are treated as gods.
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http//www.haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/2.255PQL.gifRealize it Allah the Exalted is all alone the living Iela'aha Sovereign Sustainer Lord; He Who is uncritically admired and adorned. None else of the hypothetical set iela'aha gods-deities were and are a living entity.
Allah the Exalted alone is the ever Living; the Absolute; never ever to die, and the Sustainer; the Organizer of all that exists; the Sovereign Administrator. .
Allah the Exalted confirms that people have adopted miscellaneous gods. So they are a ground reality. The Predicate of La is elided. And that Predicate can be estimated any fact about Allah the Exalted which is not the trait of all others whom people call or consider as miscellaneous iela'aha. The foremost trait of Allah is "the Living". All others whom people call god including Easa alahissalam are non-living; the dead and matter.
"None is living who are considered as iela'aha gods except Allah the Exalted".Translation after grammatical parsing 2255
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This sentence has no relevance to the sentence La Illah Ila Allah
Rajulun is the subject of the nominal sentence and being indefinite in nominative case and absolute state its specification is necessary and needs to be estimated as elision. He and Ali both remain as Man and negation for that indefinite man is in relation to some attribute of Ali.
In the sentence La Illah Ila Allah; La is not simple negation but negation of genus since the subject noun is in accusative. Here Illah denotes a group-a family of deities who are treated as gods.
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http//www.haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/2.255PQL.gifRealize it Allah the Exalted is all alone the living Iela'aha Sovereign Sustainer Lord; He Who is uncritically admired and adorned. None else of the hypothetical set iela'aha gods-deities were and are a living entity.
Allah the Exalted alone is the ever Living; the Absolute; never ever to die, and the Sustainer; the Organizer of all that exists; the Sovereign Administrator. .
Allah the Exalted confirms that people have adopted miscellaneous gods. So they are a ground reality. The Predicate of La is elided. And that Predicate can be estimated any fact about Allah the Exalted which is not the trait of all others whom people call or consider as miscellaneous iela'aha. The foremost trait of Allah is "the Living". All others whom people call god including Easa alahissalam are non-living; the dead and matter.
"None is living who are considered as iela'aha gods except Allah the Exalted".Translation after grammatical parsing 2255
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Salam,
Your interpretation "excluding" Allah from other gods and for that reason, there is a "Concept of Godhood and Duality" in your belief system, whereas ....
all of these statements denote there are in fact other men (duality, Ali and other men), but they are not like Ali (who is also a man and can be compared or made equivalent to other men).
Do you acknowledge there are in fact other God(s) that can be compared or made equivalent to Allah? (Godhood)
that is, it should not be understood as
?there other gods, but none are like Allah? (duality, Allah and other God(s))
as the very meaning denoted by the word ALLAH
invalidates this supposition from the onsetSura 112 declares Allah is One and not equivalent to God, and the usage of "God" is subjected to the interpretation provision in the Qur'an; ie. Sura 112 (REFER HERE).
for there is no other being in existence
to which Allah can be compared to
or excluded from!Peace.