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    drfazl
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    Salam..

    Read again, it says "pattern of arguments"..

    Peace peace

    With Quran there can never be argument if you fear Allah; and you began arguing from the word go. Instead just say your view without contradicting others' views; let as many as 8 million views pour in. You must have the criterion and patience to choose the best of them all. Such are the people who are men of understanding; and Allah conducts in righteousness only such of these people.

    Peace

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      Salam

      Read again, slowly... you are spamming this thread with irrelevant questions and ignoring our real issues. pr

      Peace.

      Do you know the meaning of spam? How come you consider yourself as single, one man largest recipient group in this thread? I have bundles of issues with every posting of yours but I never contested any of them. I have posted just one post a weak ago and you said
      You can enlighten us with your understanding or perspectives.

      I have not made an argument here; but if it is thrust on me, I have no way except to try to make clear my view point from every angle possible. I have not passed a single comment on you, unlike you. Say your view against my view, without challenges and comments. This is the main principle to have in mind when it comes to Quran. Subdue, submit and surrender to Allah while writing your perspectives on an ayat for Allah knows best. Wait eagerly for any better input. If you find unworthy posts, all we have to do is just ignore and seek forgiveness for him and for yourself, for we have become judgemental already.

      Peace and I stop here with you
      May Allah Guide Us All

      Salam
      fazlur rahman

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        muslims
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        With Quran there can never be argument if you fear Allah; and you began arguing from the word go. Instead just say your view without contradicting others' views; let as many as 8 million views pour in. You must have the criterion and patience to choose the best of them all. Such are the people who are men of understanding; and Allah conducts in righteousness only such of these people.

        Peace

        Salam

        Where does it mention that it is an argument against Allah or the Qur'an? (REFER HERE)

        AND as I said, read again.. slowly...

        Peace

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          muslims
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          Do you know the meaning of spam? How come you consider yourself as single, one man largest recipient group in this thread?

          Salam

          Okay.. I think you are panicking and unable to use your rational minds (refer here and here). Let me know when you are able to relax and discuss logically on the issue.

          Peace. yes

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            I have not made an argument here; but if it is thrust on me, I have no way except to try to make clear my view point from every angle possible.

            Salam

            No offense, but the above statement is implying an argument from your part. I am not referring to the argument of an ordinary man or what we ordinarily called as "quarreling" (which is not an argument), but from the point of Critical Thinking and Logical Analysis. A method to determine whether a conclusion is sound or unsound, a method to determine the validity of conclusions and separating the poor reasoning and fallacious arguments.

            In logic and philosophy, an argument is an attempt to persuade someone of something, by giving reasons for accepting a particular conclusion as evident. The general structure of an argument in a natural language is that of premises (typically in the form of propositions, statements or sentences) in support of a claim the conclusion; Definition of an argument

            A fallacy is an argument that uses poor reasoning; Fallacy

            (example of poor reasoning, refer here, here and here)

            The following is an ayat showing a Muslim must use reasoning and not relying on dogma or fallacious conclusions.

            Indeed, the worst of living creatures
            in the sight of Allah
            are the deaf
            and dumb
            who do not use reason
            (Al-Anfal22)

            And among them are unlettered ones
            who do not know the Scripture
            except in wishful thinking
            but they are only assuming
            (278)

            And if you obey most of those upon the earth
            they will mislead you
            from the way of Allah
            They follow not
            except assumption
            and they are not
            but falsifying
            (6116)

            And they have thereof no knowledge
            They follow not
            except assumption
            and indeed
            assumption avails not against the truth at all <- assumptions is not "Faith"
            (5328)

            "Condition" to be regarded as those who believe the Qur'an

            So is one who upon a clear evidence from his Lord?
            And a witness from Him follows it
            and before it was the Scripture of Moses to lead and as mercy
            Those believe in the Qur'an <- only these peoples believe the Qur'an
            (1117)

            Peace. peace

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              Peace brothers/sisters

              1276
              ... We exalt whomever we choose to higher ranks. Above every knowledgeable one, there is one who is even more knowledgeable.
              ....

              Discuss, respect and keep learning.

              May the Lord grant us more knowledge and wisdom.

              Peace to all.

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                http//s16.postimg.org/cyvakuyx1/deen.png

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                <a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335261#msg335261">Allah will never accept Religion of Islam</a>

                Examle of Deen <a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg336008#msg336008">1</a>, <a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335737#msg335737">2</a>, <a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335738#msg335738">3</a>, <a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335739#msg335739">4</a>, <a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335740#msg335740">5</a>, <a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335741#msg335741">6</a>, <a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335742#msg335742">7</a>.

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                <a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605770.msg336452#msg336452">Hadith & Sects.</a> <a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605770.msg336423#msg336423">Sura</a> + <a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605770.msg336428#msg336428">Prohibition</a>

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                Why Prophet Ibrahim and Muhammad was not a Jew or Christian?

                DO NOT die except as Muslims

                Description of a Muslim in the Qur'an

                A Muslim or a Bigot?

                Can a sectarian (a bigot) be a judge to other/all human beings?

                Borderline between a Muslim and a Bigot

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                <a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335891#msg335891">Alhamdu</a>

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                <a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg338517#msg338517">The process of returning to Allah</a>

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                How to unlock the understanding of the Qur'an

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                <a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335265#msg335265">Understanding The Quran</a>

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                Level of understanding the Qur'an

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                <a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335810#msg335810">Signs</a>

                <a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335950#msg335950">Pleasure</a>

                <a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg336130#msg336130">Dictionary of the Qur'an</a>

                Other forms of Shirk

                Shirk & the God and Ulema within ourselves

                Shirk in the form of a very fine

                The key to understand justly balanced

                The Qur'anic standard for the attainment of righteousness

                Some example on better way to give everything in the path of Allah

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                <a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335659#msg335659">Formula for Success</a>

                <a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335483#msg335483">First Step - Fire</a>

                Purpose of Ibada

                <a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335476#msg335476">Formula for Unity - Negotiator, Mediator and Conciliator</a>

                <a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335880#msg335880">Towards Human Unity</a>

                <a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335750#msg335750">Unconditional Freedom</a>

                <a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg336189#msg336189">The Flow of Ideas</a>

                <a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg336234#msg336234">Example of Quranic Ideas</a>

                <a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg336219#msg336219">Ideas of Just and Balance</a>

                <a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg336265#msg336265">When Being Wrong Is Right</a>

                The Matrix of Justly Balanced For Our Salvation

                Why the matrix?

                Qur'an as the Confirming Book

                Look for similarities to unite the society

                Words (label) to be removed from the mind of any Muslim

                How to incorporate the Qur'an into any countries or laws?

                Islamic Constitution

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                  ansmeh1998
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                  Dear brother Muslims Salaam!

                  The job done by you in this thread clearly suggests that you are very thoughtful. Your work tells its own tale about your penchant of making a great deal of mull in the skull before breaking the lull. Usually, it is seen that at such level people get inflicted with arrogance. But I have every hope that your good self will not allow this menace to even touch you from outside. May Allah bless you with more precision of mind to maintain your best of standards and bring forth even better and better.

                  Salaam!
                  Mehjabeen

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                    Salam

                    Thank you and human beings have several souls existed like layers of an onion, and each stage has its challenges and diseases, which all human beings have to confront during their spiritual journey; internally, as well as externally, and something which is inescapable to all human beings, and which have to be purified by consistent action of fasting, dzikir, meditation, sadaqah, good deeds and remembrance of Allah etc. However, it is not thinking but absorbing, sorry. Thinking alone will normally make us farther away from the right path since our minds are in the same group or is influenced by our lust or low desires. It is our duty to separate our minds from the low desires, so that we are able to project the right magnetic/electrical signals to our heart; ie. the door to our souls, who have witnessed and communicated with Allah (7172), existed in ourselves as "memory". The conclusion, it's a very tough job for becoming a real human beings, and may Allah bless all of us with better understanding and help us in the performance of our duty. pr

                    And the soul and Him Who made it perfect
                    Then He inspired it
                    to understand
                    what is right
                    and wrong for it
                    He will indeed be successful who purifies it
                    And he will indeed fail who corrupts it
                    (917-10)

                    Peace peace

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                      Salaam dear brother Muslims,

                      Without any doubt you have deep study of Al-Kitaab and you are equipped with profound knowledge by the Grace of Allah. I find you the right person who can deal with certain mind boggling queries appropriately confronting me for long arising out of various sources (not essential to spell out). Will you kindly permit me to ask the following questions?

                      (i) Do you find resemblance of Allah's System of Governance within the Human Being? If yes, how?

                      (ii) Do you find Prophets/Messengers and their tales mentioned in Quran within the Human Being? If yes, kindly explain.

                      (iii) Do you find the Country named India resembles the Grand Quran? If at all yes, kindly throw light.

                      (iv) Do you find the system of governance adopted by India (of course on paper) resembles Allah's System of Governance? True or False?

                      (v) Do you find the Book of Allah confirms Sanskrit Scriptures considered Holy by the Hindus? True or False?

                      (vi) Do you find Abraham = Brahma, Ismael = Mahesh, Ishaaq = Vishnu, Yaqub = Ganesha, Krishna = Moses, Ram = Mohammad etc.

                      (vii) Do you find eating flesh of animals that survive on the Earth is unhealthy and not prescribed? True or False?

                      I have put forth above questions just out of quest but do not expect to reject them in a haste. If at all you do not like them, kindly choose to ignore.

                      Salaam!

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                        muslims
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                        Salam

                        Interesting, Abraham, Brahma, iBrahim, Sarah, Saraswati, Black Stone, Shiva Lingam, Trishula, Mizab, Baqarah, cow, companions.... There is no need to discuss issues not related to the Qur'an and we just leave it to Allah for inspiring "the understanding of right and wrong" (917-10); since He is Al-Mu'min, The Inspirer of Faith, He is Al-Hadi, The One whom with His Guidance His believers were guided, and with His Guidance the living beings have been guided to what is beneficial for them and protected from what is harmful to them, we are not. We are servants and can only discuss from what is precise from the Qur'an.

                        And when Abraham said
                        "My Lord, show me how You give life to the dead."
                        said, "Have you not believed?"
                        He said, "Yes, but (I ask) only that my heart may be satisfied."
                        said, "Take four birds and commit them to yourself.
                        Then (after slaughtering them) put on each hill a portion of them
                        then call them - they will come (flying) to you in haste
                        And know that Allah is Exalted in Might and Wise."
                        (2260)

                        And you become three kinds

                        Then the companions of the right
                        what are the companions of the right?

                        And the companions of the left
                        what are the companions of the left?

                        And the forerunners, the forerunners
                        Those are the ones brought near
                        A company of the former peoples
                        And a few of the later peoples

                        (567-14)

                        certain mind boggling queries appropriately confronting me for long arising out of various sources (not essential to spell out)

                        For the sake of testing ourselves and to realize the gods and ulamas inside ourselves, try to stop eating, drinking and sleeping for 3 straight days (72 hours). Are we able to achieve this target or we are still hypocrites? This is not suggested by the Qur'an, and only a simple self-test to prove the existence of gods and ulamas inside ourselves. A simple test to realize the flow of ideas within ourselves and how far we are able to control these ideas.

                        Do the people think
                        that they will be left to say,
                        "We believe"
                        and they will not be tried?

                        But We have certainly tried those before them
                        and Allah will surely make evident
                        those who are truthful
                        and He will surely make evident
                        the liars

                        Or do those who do evil deeds think they can outrun Us?
                        Evil is what they judge
                        (<a href="http//quran.com/29/2-4">292-4</a&gt

                        Peace

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                          ansmeh1998
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                          Dear brother Muslims Salaam!

                          (i) How do you know what the Quran is?
                          (ii) How do you know Quran teaches what?
                          (iii) How can you say Quran explains only this and not that?

                          You have chosen to reject the quest in a haste probably in arrogance of having deep study or having much knowledge or for the reasons best known to you. No wonder! This is what most of the humans are. No more deliberations then, May Allah bless.

                          Salaam!

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                            Salam

                            (i) How do you know what the Quran is?

                            Indeed, IT IS A NOBLE QURAN
                            In a protected Book
                            None can grasp it
                            except those purified (from shirk)
                            (5677-79)

                            (ii) How do you know Quran teaches what?

                            It is He who has sent down to you, the Book
                            in it are verses precise
                            they are the foundation of the Book

                            and others unspecific
                            As for those in whose hearts is deviation
                            they will follow that of it which is unspecific
                            seeking discord and seeking an interpretation
                            And no one knows its interpretation except Allah

                            But those firm in knowledge say
                            "We believe in it. All is from our Lord."
                            And no one will be reminded except those of understanding
                            (37)

                            (iii) How can you say Quran explains only this and not that?

                            O you who have believed
                            DO NOT ask about things which
                            if they are shown to you
                            will distress you
                            But if you ask about them while the Qur'an is being revealed
                            they will be shown to you
                            Allah has pardoned that which is past
                            and Allah is Forgiving and Forbearing
                            (5101)

                            Rather, they have denied that
                            which they encompass not in knowledge
                            and whose interpretation
                            has not yet come to them

                            Thus did those before them deny
                            Then observe how was the end of the wrongdoers
                            (1039)

                            Allah is the light of the heavens and the earth
                            a likeness of His light is as a niche in which is a lamp
                            the lamp is in a glass
                            (and) the glass is as it were a brightly shining star
                            lit from a blessed olive-tree
                            neither eastern nor western
                            the oil whereof almost gives light though fire touch it not
                            light upon light
                            Allah guides to His light whom He pleases
                            and Allah sets forth parables for men
                            and Allah is Cognizant of all things
                            (2435)

                            He grants wisdom to whom He pleases
                            and whoever is granted wisdom
                            he indeed is given a great good
                            and none but men of understanding mind
                            (2269)

                            Peace peace

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                              And when Abraham said
                              "My Lord, show me how You give life to the dead."

                              I wonder why Abraham asked how Allah give life "TO THE DEAD" (l-mawt&#257 ?

                              How many peoples had Abraham witnessed rising from the dead? hmm

                              Can Prophets rise from the dead or they are absolutely prohibited?

                              (men with nine lives and nine tombstones (2), and during 1300++ (refer here), not sure whether it is true or forged, "Earthdom" might know the full story since it is in Surabaya, Indonesia)

                              Or as the one who passed by a township
                              which had fallen into ruin
                              He said, "How will Allah bring this to life after its death?"
                              So Allah caused him to die for a hundred years
                              then He revived him
                              He said, "How long have you remained?"
                              The man said, "I have remained a day or part of a day."
                              He said, "Rather, you have remained one hundred years
                              Look at your food and your drink
                              it has not changed with time
                              And look at your donkey
                              and We will make you a sign for the people
                              And look at the bones
                              how We raise them and then We cover them with flesh"
                              And when it became clear to him, he said
                              "I know that Allah is over all things competent."
                              (2259)
                              refer to (349) (272-73) (3050)

                              The issue is there any other ayats in the Qur'an can further elaborate this precise situations?

                              Is this still happening, or it will never happen after the Qur'an has been completed?

                              Peace peace

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                                Salaam dear brother Muslims,

                                Without any doubt you have deep study of Al-Kitaab and you are equipped with profound knowledge by the Grace of Allah. I find you the right person who can deal with certain mind boggling queries appropriately confronting me for long arising out of various sources (not essential to spell out). Will you kindly permit me to ask the following questions?

                                (i) Do you find resemblance of Allah's System of Governance within the Human Being? If yes, how?

                                Yes. The entire universe is praising Allah's Glory and waiting for His Command to discharge its duties to man in his favour or against. 5331 And to Allah belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is in the earth - that He may recompense those who do evil with the penalty of what they have done and recompense those who do good with the best reward -

                                When we wish for the favours from the heaven upon us in prayers, Allah commands the heavens thus upon whom He pleases and thus our wish and Allah's system of governance obeys us.

                                (ii) Do you find Prophets/Messengers and their tales mentioned in Quran within the Human Being? If yes, kindly explain.

                                Their tales involve the people and communities they lived with We have the characters in us that which is narrated as the caharacters of the community of Lut; and the evil character of Firaun we can find in most US presidents in particular and in every leader of any country in general. And then the characters of prophets we have in us too as mercy, forgiving, tolerance and so on in various degrees; of course, they are the qualities of Allah which we possess in various proportions.

                                (iii) Do you find the Country named India resembles the Grand Quran? If at all yes, kindly throw light. (iv) Do you find the system of governance adopted by India (of course on paper) resembles Allah's System of Governance? True or False?

                                I do not understand as to what you mean.

                                (v) Do you find the Book of Allah confirms Sanskrit Scriptures considered Holy by the Hindus? True or False?

                                True and false. Scripture of what language is not important; but those scriptures do have the Truths to a minimal extent as is in Quran.

                                (vi) Do you find Abraham = Brahma, Ismael = Mahesh, Ishaaq = Vishnu, Yaqub = Ganesha, Krishna = Moses, Ram = Mohammad etc.

                                Abraham, Ismail, Ishaq, Yacub, Musa, Muhammad are real people chosen by Allah as messengers and prophets.
                                Brahma, Mahesh, Vishnu, Ganesha, Krishna are imaginary people characterised heroes by the human story tellers.

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                                vii) Do you find eating flesh of animals that survive on the Earth is unhealthy and not prescribed? True or False?

                                Eating flesh of non-vegetarian animals and birds with its blood totally drained is healthy and prescribed.

                                Salaam!

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                                  muslims
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                                  (i) Do you find resemblance of Allah's System of Governance within the Human Being? If yes, how?

                                  Yes. The entire universe is praising Allah's Glory and waiting for His Command to discharge its duties to man in his favour or against. 5331 And to Allah belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is in the earth - that He may recompense those who do evil with the penalty of what they have done and recompense those who do good with the best reward -

                                  When we wish for the favours from the heaven upon us in prayers, Allah commands the heavens thus upon whom He pleases and thus our wish and Allah's system of governance obeys us.

                                  Salam

                                  You have misunderstood many of his questions. For example, he is asking about the similarity of our bodies and brain cells with the universe, and whether it is the door to our "memory" or knowledge (Knowledge of the Unseen).

                                  And He taught Adam <- Who is Adam?
                                  the names
                                  all of them
                                  (231)

                                  He said, "Did I not tell you
                                  that I know the unseen
                                  of the heavens and the earth?
                                  (233)

                                  http//7uncle.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/braincell-universe.jpg

                                  and his presumptions might not fully accurate, or may also departed from the true course. The mind is not the answer, so as our body and India or Lord Shiva, and in fact the galaxy (have limits and boundaryies, actually quite small). It is only the tools and mechanisms, ie. the signs. There are things that are much larger than minds and India, unimaginable and which totally dependant on each keys.

                                  Thinking alone will normally make us farther away from the right path

                                  so that we are able to project the right magnetic/electrical signals to our heart

                                  ie. the ability to control waves and signals, is only the beginning... Kun Faya Kun, and which this thread is all about, Justly Balanced and Unity! The Highway!

                                  He will indeed be successful who purifies it <- from Shirk
                                  And he will indeed fail who corrupts it
                                  (917-10)

                                  Peace.

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                                    muslims
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                                    Human beings = Nafs + Mind + Heart + Soul

                                    First group Nafs (Kapten) + Mind (Follower)
                                    |
                                    +
                                    +----Link-----
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                                    Second group Heart (Kapten) + Soul (Follower)

                                    Allah
                                    http//static1.cargurus.com/gfx/cargurus/inventorylistings/circle_arrow_up_green_small.gif
                                    Reality
                                    (Khalif)
                                    (Witnessing and understanding 99 attributes of Allah in the Universe)
                                    (Only then we will understand what is "Alhamdu lillahi rabbi alAAalameen&quot
                                    ( &#1605
                                    http//static1.cargurus.com/gfx/cargurus/inventorylistings/circle_arrow_up_green_small.gif
                                    Soul
                                    http//static1.cargurus.com/gfx/cargurus/inventorylistings/circle_arrow_up_green_small.gif
                                    Heart
                                    (Language of the Heart)
                                    (Understanding of the Qur'an)
                                    (requirement = 100% obedience)
                                    http//static1.cargurus.com/gfx/cargurus/inventorylistings/circle_arrow_up_green_small.gif
                                    Mind
                                    http//static1.cargurus.com/gfx/cargurus/inventorylistings/circle_arrow_up_green_small.gif
                                    In between
                                    (Top Buddhist Monk +/- ??)
                                    http//static1.cargurus.com/gfx/cargurus/inventorylistings/circle_arrow_up_green_small.gif
                                    Nafs
                                    (We are here - nafs-i-ammara, or see below)
                                    Scientist and Philosopher?
                                    http//api.ning.com/files/uGCxg7sZSOsBbNwvSUN0m6uFBP5OUvR7e-3lYPcnfzzdki1NKdfBKi*MBEzKhhqFLbCaNgzbOCTwHTwBFp0cz3nyqUP-l7F1/arrowDownSmall.png
                                    Animal
                                    (requirement = 0% obedience)
                                    (<a href="http//quran.com/7/176">7176</a&gt

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                                      good_logic
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                                      Peace all.

                                      This reminds me of...

                                      He says " Black", I say"wrong, it is shaded!"
                                      He says White",I say "Wrong, it is pure white".....etc...

                                      Muslims, you have your unique understanding..Dr Fazl, you have your unique understanding... each one of us has heir unique understanding...etc...

                                      The oneness of God unites the individual peaceful submitters.
                                      Islam is peace with the creator, peace with all God s creation and peace with yourself...

                                      Peace to you all

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                                        muslims
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                                        Muslims, you have your unique understanding..Dr Fazl, you have your unique understanding... each one of us has heir unique understanding...etc...

                                        Salam

                                        Sorry, I'm not talking about our "unique" understanding..

                                        I'm talking about what is the question.

                                        The question is....

                                        (i) Do you find resemblance of Allah's System of Governance within the Human Being? If yes, how?

                                        His answer...

                                        Yes. The entire universe is praising Allah's Glory and waiting for His Command to discharge its duties to man in his favour or against. 5331 And to Allah belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is in the earth - that He may recompense those who do evil with the penalty of what they have done and recompense those who do good with the best reward.

                                        What is the relation between the issue of "resemblance of System of Governance", the issue of "WITHIN" "human beings", and the issue of "Allah's system", with the answer"The entire universe is praising Allah's Glory and waiting for His Command"? hmm

                                        Please take not the words "System of Governance" (govern!), "within" human beings, and "resemblance"

                                        Allah's System of Governance
                                        Within human being's System of Governance <- what is human beings system of governance?

                                        I believe this is not about our unique understanding, but about the ability to understand the questions or issues. There is nothing "unique" for making a conclusion without understanding the question. This is equally supports by the Qur'an.

                                        ?Stupidity is the same as evil if you judge by the results.? (refer to al-Anfal22)

                                        I can be wrong, as always, please explains. handshake

                                        Peace to you all peace

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                                          Israfeel
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                                          Islam is the Sunnah, and the Sunnah is Islam - Imam al Barbaharee (may Allah be pleased with him)

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