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    With Quran there can never be argument if you fear Allah; and you began arguing from the word go. Instead just say your view without contradicting others' views; let as many as 8 million views pour in. You must have the criterion and patience to choose the best of them all. Such are the people who are men of understanding; and Allah conducts in righteousness only such of these people.

    Peace

    Salam

    Where does it mention that it is an argument against Allah or the Qur'an? (REFER HERE)

    AND as I said, read again.. slowly...

    Peace

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      Do you know the meaning of spam? How come you consider yourself as single, one man largest recipient group in this thread?

      Salam

      Okay.. I think you are panicking and unable to use your rational minds (refer here and here). Let me know when you are able to relax and discuss logically on the issue.

      Peace. yes

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        I have not made an argument here; but if it is thrust on me, I have no way except to try to make clear my view point from every angle possible.

        Salam

        No offense, but the above statement is implying an argument from your part. I am not referring to the argument of an ordinary man or what we ordinarily called as "quarreling" (which is not an argument), but from the point of Critical Thinking and Logical Analysis. A method to determine whether a conclusion is sound or unsound, a method to determine the validity of conclusions and separating the poor reasoning and fallacious arguments.

        In logic and philosophy, an argument is an attempt to persuade someone of something, by giving reasons for accepting a particular conclusion as evident. The general structure of an argument in a natural language is that of premises (typically in the form of propositions, statements or sentences) in support of a claim the conclusion; Definition of an argument

        A fallacy is an argument that uses poor reasoning; Fallacy

        (example of poor reasoning, refer here, here and here)

        The following is an ayat showing a Muslim must use reasoning and not relying on dogma or fallacious conclusions.

        Indeed, the worst of living creatures
        in the sight of Allah
        are the deaf
        and dumb
        who do not use reason
        (Al-Anfal22)

        And among them are unlettered ones
        who do not know the Scripture
        except in wishful thinking
        but they are only assuming
        (278)

        And if you obey most of those upon the earth
        they will mislead you
        from the way of Allah
        They follow not
        except assumption
        and they are not
        but falsifying
        (6116)

        And they have thereof no knowledge
        They follow not
        except assumption
        and indeed
        assumption avails not against the truth at all <- assumptions is not "Faith"
        (5328)

        "Condition" to be regarded as those who believe the Qur'an

        So is one who upon a clear evidence from his Lord?
        And a witness from Him follows it
        and before it was the Scripture of Moses to lead and as mercy
        Those believe in the Qur'an <- only these peoples believe the Qur'an
        (1117)

        Peace. peace

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          Peace brothers/sisters

          1276
          ... We exalt whomever we choose to higher ranks. Above every knowledgeable one, there is one who is even more knowledgeable.
          ....

          Discuss, respect and keep learning.

          May the Lord grant us more knowledge and wisdom.

          Peace to all.

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            http//s16.postimg.org/cyvakuyx1/deen.png

            Towards Human Unity

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            Borderline between a Muslim and a Bigot

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            Look for similarities to unite the society

            Words (label) to be removed from the mind of any Muslim

            How to incorporate the Qur'an into any countries or laws?

            Islamic Constitution

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              Dear brother Muslims Salaam!

              The job done by you in this thread clearly suggests that you are very thoughtful. Your work tells its own tale about your penchant of making a great deal of mull in the skull before breaking the lull. Usually, it is seen that at such level people get inflicted with arrogance. But I have every hope that your good self will not allow this menace to even touch you from outside. May Allah bless you with more precision of mind to maintain your best of standards and bring forth even better and better.

              Salaam!
              Mehjabeen

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                Salam

                Thank you and human beings have several souls existed like layers of an onion, and each stage has its challenges and diseases, which all human beings have to confront during their spiritual journey; internally, as well as externally, and something which is inescapable to all human beings, and which have to be purified by consistent action of fasting, dzikir, meditation, sadaqah, good deeds and remembrance of Allah etc. However, it is not thinking but absorbing, sorry. Thinking alone will normally make us farther away from the right path since our minds are in the same group or is influenced by our lust or low desires. It is our duty to separate our minds from the low desires, so that we are able to project the right magnetic/electrical signals to our heart; ie. the door to our souls, who have witnessed and communicated with Allah (7172), existed in ourselves as "memory". The conclusion, it's a very tough job for becoming a real human beings, and may Allah bless all of us with better understanding and help us in the performance of our duty. pr

                And the soul and Him Who made it perfect
                Then He inspired it
                to understand
                what is right
                and wrong for it
                He will indeed be successful who purifies it
                And he will indeed fail who corrupts it
                (917-10)

                Peace peace

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                  Salaam dear brother Muslims,

                  Without any doubt you have deep study of Al-Kitaab and you are equipped with profound knowledge by the Grace of Allah. I find you the right person who can deal with certain mind boggling queries appropriately confronting me for long arising out of various sources (not essential to spell out). Will you kindly permit me to ask the following questions?

                  (i) Do you find resemblance of Allah's System of Governance within the Human Being? If yes, how?

                  (ii) Do you find Prophets/Messengers and their tales mentioned in Quran within the Human Being? If yes, kindly explain.

                  (iii) Do you find the Country named India resembles the Grand Quran? If at all yes, kindly throw light.

                  (iv) Do you find the system of governance adopted by India (of course on paper) resembles Allah's System of Governance? True or False?

                  (v) Do you find the Book of Allah confirms Sanskrit Scriptures considered Holy by the Hindus? True or False?

                  (vi) Do you find Abraham = Brahma, Ismael = Mahesh, Ishaaq = Vishnu, Yaqub = Ganesha, Krishna = Moses, Ram = Mohammad etc.

                  (vii) Do you find eating flesh of animals that survive on the Earth is unhealthy and not prescribed? True or False?

                  I have put forth above questions just out of quest but do not expect to reject them in a haste. If at all you do not like them, kindly choose to ignore.

                  Salaam!

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                    muslims
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                    Salam

                    Interesting, Abraham, Brahma, iBrahim, Sarah, Saraswati, Black Stone, Shiva Lingam, Trishula, Mizab, Baqarah, cow, companions.... There is no need to discuss issues not related to the Qur'an and we just leave it to Allah for inspiring "the understanding of right and wrong" (917-10); since He is Al-Mu'min, The Inspirer of Faith, He is Al-Hadi, The One whom with His Guidance His believers were guided, and with His Guidance the living beings have been guided to what is beneficial for them and protected from what is harmful to them, we are not. We are servants and can only discuss from what is precise from the Qur'an.

                    And when Abraham said
                    "My Lord, show me how You give life to the dead."
                    said, "Have you not believed?"
                    He said, "Yes, but (I ask) only that my heart may be satisfied."
                    said, "Take four birds and commit them to yourself.
                    Then (after slaughtering them) put on each hill a portion of them
                    then call them - they will come (flying) to you in haste
                    And know that Allah is Exalted in Might and Wise."
                    (2260)

                    And you become three kinds

                    Then the companions of the right
                    what are the companions of the right?

                    And the companions of the left
                    what are the companions of the left?

                    And the forerunners, the forerunners
                    Those are the ones brought near
                    A company of the former peoples
                    And a few of the later peoples

                    (567-14)

                    certain mind boggling queries appropriately confronting me for long arising out of various sources (not essential to spell out)

                    For the sake of testing ourselves and to realize the gods and ulamas inside ourselves, try to stop eating, drinking and sleeping for 3 straight days (72 hours). Are we able to achieve this target or we are still hypocrites? This is not suggested by the Qur'an, and only a simple self-test to prove the existence of gods and ulamas inside ourselves. A simple test to realize the flow of ideas within ourselves and how far we are able to control these ideas.

                    Do the people think
                    that they will be left to say,
                    "We believe"
                    and they will not be tried?

                    But We have certainly tried those before them
                    and Allah will surely make evident
                    those who are truthful
                    and He will surely make evident
                    the liars

                    Or do those who do evil deeds think they can outrun Us?
                    Evil is what they judge
                    (<a href="http//quran.com/29/2-4">292-4</a&gt

                    Peace

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                      Dear brother Muslims Salaam!

                      (i) How do you know what the Quran is?
                      (ii) How do you know Quran teaches what?
                      (iii) How can you say Quran explains only this and not that?

                      You have chosen to reject the quest in a haste probably in arrogance of having deep study or having much knowledge or for the reasons best known to you. No wonder! This is what most of the humans are. No more deliberations then, May Allah bless.

                      Salaam!

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                        Salam

                        (i) How do you know what the Quran is?

                        Indeed, IT IS A NOBLE QURAN
                        In a protected Book
                        None can grasp it
                        except those purified (from shirk)
                        (5677-79)

                        (ii) How do you know Quran teaches what?

                        It is He who has sent down to you, the Book
                        in it are verses precise
                        they are the foundation of the Book

                        and others unspecific
                        As for those in whose hearts is deviation
                        they will follow that of it which is unspecific
                        seeking discord and seeking an interpretation
                        And no one knows its interpretation except Allah

                        But those firm in knowledge say
                        "We believe in it. All is from our Lord."
                        And no one will be reminded except those of understanding
                        (37)

                        (iii) How can you say Quran explains only this and not that?

                        O you who have believed
                        DO NOT ask about things which
                        if they are shown to you
                        will distress you
                        But if you ask about them while the Qur'an is being revealed
                        they will be shown to you
                        Allah has pardoned that which is past
                        and Allah is Forgiving and Forbearing
                        (5101)

                        Rather, they have denied that
                        which they encompass not in knowledge
                        and whose interpretation
                        has not yet come to them

                        Thus did those before them deny
                        Then observe how was the end of the wrongdoers
                        (1039)

                        Allah is the light of the heavens and the earth
                        a likeness of His light is as a niche in which is a lamp
                        the lamp is in a glass
                        (and) the glass is as it were a brightly shining star
                        lit from a blessed olive-tree
                        neither eastern nor western
                        the oil whereof almost gives light though fire touch it not
                        light upon light
                        Allah guides to His light whom He pleases
                        and Allah sets forth parables for men
                        and Allah is Cognizant of all things
                        (2435)

                        He grants wisdom to whom He pleases
                        and whoever is granted wisdom
                        he indeed is given a great good
                        and none but men of understanding mind
                        (2269)

                        Peace peace

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                          And when Abraham said
                          "My Lord, show me how You give life to the dead."

                          I wonder why Abraham asked how Allah give life "TO THE DEAD" (l-mawt&#257 ?

                          How many peoples had Abraham witnessed rising from the dead? hmm

                          Can Prophets rise from the dead or they are absolutely prohibited?

                          (men with nine lives and nine tombstones (2), and during 1300++ (refer here), not sure whether it is true or forged, "Earthdom" might know the full story since it is in Surabaya, Indonesia)

                          Or as the one who passed by a township
                          which had fallen into ruin
                          He said, "How will Allah bring this to life after its death?"
                          So Allah caused him to die for a hundred years
                          then He revived him
                          He said, "How long have you remained?"
                          The man said, "I have remained a day or part of a day."
                          He said, "Rather, you have remained one hundred years
                          Look at your food and your drink
                          it has not changed with time
                          And look at your donkey
                          and We will make you a sign for the people
                          And look at the bones
                          how We raise them and then We cover them with flesh"
                          And when it became clear to him, he said
                          "I know that Allah is over all things competent."
                          (2259)
                          refer to (349) (272-73) (3050)

                          The issue is there any other ayats in the Qur'an can further elaborate this precise situations?

                          Is this still happening, or it will never happen after the Qur'an has been completed?

                          Peace peace

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                            Salaam dear brother Muslims,

                            Without any doubt you have deep study of Al-Kitaab and you are equipped with profound knowledge by the Grace of Allah. I find you the right person who can deal with certain mind boggling queries appropriately confronting me for long arising out of various sources (not essential to spell out). Will you kindly permit me to ask the following questions?

                            (i) Do you find resemblance of Allah's System of Governance within the Human Being? If yes, how?

                            Yes. The entire universe is praising Allah's Glory and waiting for His Command to discharge its duties to man in his favour or against. 5331 And to Allah belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is in the earth - that He may recompense those who do evil with the penalty of what they have done and recompense those who do good with the best reward -

                            When we wish for the favours from the heaven upon us in prayers, Allah commands the heavens thus upon whom He pleases and thus our wish and Allah's system of governance obeys us.

                            (ii) Do you find Prophets/Messengers and their tales mentioned in Quran within the Human Being? If yes, kindly explain.

                            Their tales involve the people and communities they lived with We have the characters in us that which is narrated as the caharacters of the community of Lut; and the evil character of Firaun we can find in most US presidents in particular and in every leader of any country in general. And then the characters of prophets we have in us too as mercy, forgiving, tolerance and so on in various degrees; of course, they are the qualities of Allah which we possess in various proportions.

                            (iii) Do you find the Country named India resembles the Grand Quran? If at all yes, kindly throw light. (iv) Do you find the system of governance adopted by India (of course on paper) resembles Allah's System of Governance? True or False?

                            I do not understand as to what you mean.

                            (v) Do you find the Book of Allah confirms Sanskrit Scriptures considered Holy by the Hindus? True or False?

                            True and false. Scripture of what language is not important; but those scriptures do have the Truths to a minimal extent as is in Quran.

                            (vi) Do you find Abraham = Brahma, Ismael = Mahesh, Ishaaq = Vishnu, Yaqub = Ganesha, Krishna = Moses, Ram = Mohammad etc.

                            Abraham, Ismail, Ishaq, Yacub, Musa, Muhammad are real people chosen by Allah as messengers and prophets.
                            Brahma, Mahesh, Vishnu, Ganesha, Krishna are imaginary people characterised heroes by the human story tellers.

                            (
                            vii) Do you find eating flesh of animals that survive on the Earth is unhealthy and not prescribed? True or False?

                            Eating flesh of non-vegetarian animals and birds with its blood totally drained is healthy and prescribed.

                            Salaam!

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                              (i) Do you find resemblance of Allah's System of Governance within the Human Being? If yes, how?

                              Yes. The entire universe is praising Allah's Glory and waiting for His Command to discharge its duties to man in his favour or against. 5331 And to Allah belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is in the earth - that He may recompense those who do evil with the penalty of what they have done and recompense those who do good with the best reward -

                              When we wish for the favours from the heaven upon us in prayers, Allah commands the heavens thus upon whom He pleases and thus our wish and Allah's system of governance obeys us.

                              Salam

                              You have misunderstood many of his questions. For example, he is asking about the similarity of our bodies and brain cells with the universe, and whether it is the door to our "memory" or knowledge (Knowledge of the Unseen).

                              And He taught Adam <- Who is Adam?
                              the names
                              all of them
                              (231)

                              He said, "Did I not tell you
                              that I know the unseen
                              of the heavens and the earth?
                              (233)

                              http//7uncle.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/braincell-universe.jpg

                              and his presumptions might not fully accurate, or may also departed from the true course. The mind is not the answer, so as our body and India or Lord Shiva, and in fact the galaxy (have limits and boundaryies, actually quite small). It is only the tools and mechanisms, ie. the signs. There are things that are much larger than minds and India, unimaginable and which totally dependant on each keys.

                              Thinking alone will normally make us farther away from the right path

                              so that we are able to project the right magnetic/electrical signals to our heart

                              ie. the ability to control waves and signals, is only the beginning... Kun Faya Kun, and which this thread is all about, Justly Balanced and Unity! The Highway!

                              He will indeed be successful who purifies it <- from Shirk
                              And he will indeed fail who corrupts it
                              (917-10)

                              Peace.

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                                Human beings = Nafs + Mind + Heart + Soul

                                First group Nafs (Kapten) + Mind (Follower)
                                |
                                +
                                +----Link-----
                                |
                                Second group Heart (Kapten) + Soul (Follower)

                                Allah
                                http//static1.cargurus.com/gfx/cargurus/inventorylistings/circle_arrow_up_green_small.gif
                                Reality
                                (Khalif)
                                (Witnessing and understanding 99 attributes of Allah in the Universe)
                                (Only then we will understand what is "Alhamdu lillahi rabbi alAAalameen&quot
                                ( &#1605
                                http//static1.cargurus.com/gfx/cargurus/inventorylistings/circle_arrow_up_green_small.gif
                                Soul
                                http//static1.cargurus.com/gfx/cargurus/inventorylistings/circle_arrow_up_green_small.gif
                                Heart
                                (Language of the Heart)
                                (Understanding of the Qur'an)
                                (requirement = 100% obedience)
                                http//static1.cargurus.com/gfx/cargurus/inventorylistings/circle_arrow_up_green_small.gif
                                Mind
                                http//static1.cargurus.com/gfx/cargurus/inventorylistings/circle_arrow_up_green_small.gif
                                In between
                                (Top Buddhist Monk +/- ??)
                                http//static1.cargurus.com/gfx/cargurus/inventorylistings/circle_arrow_up_green_small.gif
                                Nafs
                                (We are here - nafs-i-ammara, or see below)
                                Scientist and Philosopher?
                                http//api.ning.com/files/uGCxg7sZSOsBbNwvSUN0m6uFBP5OUvR7e-3lYPcnfzzdki1NKdfBKi*MBEzKhhqFLbCaNgzbOCTwHTwBFp0cz3nyqUP-l7F1/arrowDownSmall.png
                                Animal
                                (requirement = 0% obedience)
                                (<a href="http//quran.com/7/176">7176</a&gt

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                                  Peace all.

                                  This reminds me of...

                                  He says " Black", I say"wrong, it is shaded!"
                                  He says White",I say "Wrong, it is pure white".....etc...

                                  Muslims, you have your unique understanding..Dr Fazl, you have your unique understanding... each one of us has heir unique understanding...etc...

                                  The oneness of God unites the individual peaceful submitters.
                                  Islam is peace with the creator, peace with all God s creation and peace with yourself...

                                  Peace to you all

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                                    Muslims, you have your unique understanding..Dr Fazl, you have your unique understanding... each one of us has heir unique understanding...etc...

                                    Salam

                                    Sorry, I'm not talking about our "unique" understanding..

                                    I'm talking about what is the question.

                                    The question is....

                                    (i) Do you find resemblance of Allah's System of Governance within the Human Being? If yes, how?

                                    His answer...

                                    Yes. The entire universe is praising Allah's Glory and waiting for His Command to discharge its duties to man in his favour or against. 5331 And to Allah belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is in the earth - that He may recompense those who do evil with the penalty of what they have done and recompense those who do good with the best reward.

                                    What is the relation between the issue of "resemblance of System of Governance", the issue of "WITHIN" "human beings", and the issue of "Allah's system", with the answer"The entire universe is praising Allah's Glory and waiting for His Command"? hmm

                                    Please take not the words "System of Governance" (govern!), "within" human beings, and "resemblance"

                                    Allah's System of Governance
                                    Within human being's System of Governance <- what is human beings system of governance?

                                    I believe this is not about our unique understanding, but about the ability to understand the questions or issues. There is nothing "unique" for making a conclusion without understanding the question. This is equally supports by the Qur'an.

                                    ?Stupidity is the same as evil if you judge by the results.? (refer to al-Anfal22)

                                    I can be wrong, as always, please explains. handshake

                                    Peace to you all peace

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                                      Islam is the Sunnah, and the Sunnah is Islam - Imam al Barbaharee (may Allah be pleased with him)

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                                        Salam

                                        I'm talking about what is the question.

                                        The question is....

                                        Do you find resemblance of Allah's System of Governance within the Human Being? If yes, how?

                                        What is the relation between the issue of "resemblance of System of Governance", the issue of "WITHIN" "human beings", and the issue of "Allah's system", with the answer"The entire universe is praising Allah's Glory and waiting for His Command"?

                                        First of all there is no issue here for you to judge and settle as if you know threadbare a-z of Allah's System of governance and human beings' system of governance.

                                        Before you understand the question,
                                        first understand the meaning of the word "Resemblance"
                                        Your irrelevant word, "Relation" is not the question here!

                                        Thus as usaual your whole answer has gone haywire.

                                        peace

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                                          Salam

                                          Allah's System of Governance
                                          Within human being's System of Governance <- what is human beings system of governance?

                                          I can be wrong, as always, please explains. handshake

                                          Peace to you all

                                          I am coming to your red area Please say how in an individual, from his hair tip to toe nail; and from his skin to bones, the human system is related, inter related, their cohesiveness, their symbiosis, their incompatibility, their inconsistencies, their aberration, their physiology, their pathology, their adjustments, their reactions, their sensitivity, his homeostasis within and many more ...

                                          Please, first talk about human system, then its governance leave alone universal system and governance. You can never reach for an answer unless you have unique understanding ability. In your case it is far away. Keep groping the dictionaries and you will find yourself still far away remote.

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