Gay and Muslim?

unknownuser

You must be lying since you have already answered it previously and yet you say you still don't understand the question?

How can any believers acted this way? confused

I'm not lying, lying in this forum is no use for me.

Indeed verse 236 talk about human mates

236 Except around their mates, or those who are maintained by their oaths, they are free from blame.(Free-Minds Translation).

If we look by the conteks of the verses, mates (zawaj) is spouse.Spouses is neutral in gender, it can be male or female.

muslims

If we look by the conteks of the verses, mates (zawaj) is spouse.Spouses is neutral in gender, it can be male or female.

Salam

So.. let me confirm it again with you for the (x) times, you mean it as "spouses"?

Male or female is irrelevant to what I will discuss here.

Peace

unknownuser

Yes, by looking of verse's context.

muslims

So.. let me confirm it again with you for the (x) times, you mean it as "spouses"?

Yes, by looking of verse's context.

Salam

Okay, you mean it to be "spouses".

And those who guard their private parts. Except from their spouses

Second question,

Now, can you show me any dictionary (link) that says "spouses" is not related to "husband or wife", or "marriages"?

Peace

unknownuser

Now, can you show me any dictionary (link) that says "spouses" is not related to husband and wife, or marriages?

This is your biggest fault when intepreted my post.I will make clear now.

I never said if spouses not related to husbad-wife, marriage.But that time we talk about verse 235-6 (about private guard).

So I respong if this verses has not talking about marriage, the contexs is about zina preventing.

muslims

This is your biggest fault when intepreted my post.I will make clear now.

I never said if spouses not related to husbad-wife, marriage.But that time we talk about verse 235-6 (about private guard).

So I respong if this verses has not talking about marriage, the contexs is about zina preventing.

Salam

Read again our main ssue, where did I mention about (235-6)?

I'm discussing about (7029-31) and it is you who diverted/jumping from one issue the other, and yet claiming that it is my biggest fault.

And those who guard their private parts <- ALL human beings have private parts, including homosexual
Except from their wives <- referring to marriages
or those their right hands possess
for indeed, they are not to be blamed
But whoever seeks beyond that
then they are the transgressors
(7029-31)

We settle one issue at a time. We check the verses and discuss that later, though it is hard to say the context is about the prevention of zina.

Secondly,

Now, can you show me any dictionary (link) that says "spouses" is not related to "husband or wife", or "marriages"?

I'm still waiting for the meaning of "spouses".

Please provide me the links.

Peace

unknownuser

I'm still waiting for the meaning of "spouses"?

http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spouse

huruf

There is also the question of what "hafadha farj" entails, means, encompasses.

There is also the question that in 23.5 there is a list of deeds for which people who do them will inherit al firdaws...

so, only those who do all of them will inherit, or will those who do all of them save one inherit and the good they do will not avail them anything?

Also, what is taken to mean ma malakat aymanuhum in aya 23.5?

Salaam

muslims

http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spouse

Salam

You can't be serious?

Is Wikipedia is the "authoritative body for defining words"?

Do you know what is Wikipedia?

Do you know what is Encyclopedia?

Do you know who writes in Wikipedia?

Try this...

http//www.refseek.com/directory/dictionaries.html

http//www.goodreads.com/list/show/785.Best_Dictionaries_of_the_English_Language

or any dictionary of your choice.

Peace

unknownuser

Sorry for wait.A internet trouble.

I mostly use dictionary.com

muslims

Sorry for wait.A internet trouble.

I mostly use dictionary.com

Salam

You can type yourself, or try here..

Meta-search tool indexing 13 million words from 1,000 dictionaries.
http//www.onelook.com/?w=spouse&ls=a

Roget's Thesaurus
http//dictionary.reference.com/browse/spouse?s=t

or

American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language
http//education.yahoo.com/reference/dictionary/entry/spouse

Collins English Dictionary
http//www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/spouse

Oxford Dictionaries Online
http//www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/spouse?q=spouse

Merriam Webster
http//www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/spouse

Cambridge
http//dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/british/spouse?q=spouse

Macmillan
http//www.macmillandictionary.com/dictionary/british/spouse

Abbreviations.com
http//www.abbreviations.com/SPOUSE

Definitions.net
http//www.definitions.net/definition/spouse

Vocabulary.com
https//www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/spouse

Peace

unknownuser

Thanks for the links )

Back to the topic.Literally after magrib until some days maybe, I'm busy.

muslims

Salam

Okay, it is two hours difference if in Surabaya or Gresik, that means almost Maghrib.

So does it referring to "husband and wife" and "marriages"?

Peace

unknownuser

Salam

Okay, it is two hours difference if in Surabaya or Gresik, that means almost Maghrib.

So does it referring to "husband and wife" or "marriages"?

Peace

I live around that area and now the time is 1607.

Yes it does.

muslims

So does it referring to "husband and wife" and "marriages"?

Yes it does.

Salam

Good, I went to Indonesia almost every year. )

So... you agree that "spouses" is referring to "husband and wife" and "marriages".

Therefore, can you agree that the following verse is referring to marriages?

And those who guard their private parts <- ALL human beings have private parts
Except from their spouses <- referring to marriages

Peace

unknownuser

Good, I went to Indonesia almost every year.

Good, may I visit Malaysia some day for see Petronas Building.

So... you agree that "spouses" is referring to "husband and wife" and "marriages".

Therefore, can you agree that the verse is referring to marriages?

Spouses is not enough for husband-wife.We see same-gender also as spouses.

muslims

Spouses is not enough for husband-wife.We see same-gender also as spouses.

Salam,

No problem, it is just two hours flights and the tickets is cheap.

It doesn't matter if it refers to same gender marriage or etc.

It is irrelevant at this point of time.

What I wish to find out now is it referring to "marriages" according to the Qur'an.

If it is, can you agree that the verse is referring to "marriages" according to the Qur'an?

Peace.

unknownuser

No problem, it is just two hours flights and the tickets is cheap.

Unfortunaly Rupiah's exchange rate is below Ringgit ;D.What place you visits in Indonesia.I don't live in Surabaya nor Gresik, but I still in East Java.I visit Surabaya every year for a vacation.

If it is, can you agree that the verse is referring to "marriages" according to the Qur'an?

If 235-6, it's not.This verse more talk about zina prevention or ethics of do sexual intercouse.

muslims

If 235-6, it's not.This verse more talk about zina prevention or ethics of do sexual intercouse.

Salam

There are few places, Surabaya, Gresik, Jogja etc and my family rooted back from Indonesia during 1,000-1300+

We leave out that issue later, what's relevant is whether that verse includes "marriages according to the Qur'an"

What I wish to find out now is it referring to "marriages" according to the Qur'an.

Peace

unknownuser

There are few places, Surabaya, Gresik, Jogja etc and my family rooted back from Indonesia during 1,000-1300+

This means you still a Javanese like me.You're wong Jowo D.
Malay ethnic in Indonesia more concentrated in Bawean, Riau, Bangka, Belitung and some parts in Sumatra, Kalimantan and Sulawesi.

Ok we will talk about this later, just do PM if necessary.

What I wish to find out now is it referring to "marriages" according to the Qur'an.

Term marriage/nikah is wide in context.We talk about leglitas of homosexual in this thread.So what contexs you want to discuss??