Allah = God = Alla = Dios = Deus = Dieu = Gud = Gott....
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Peace,
I have seen some people still think like sectarians do. Number 2 is the intention for writing this thread.
There are 2 types of arguments for monopoly of the word Allah
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"Allah is Muslim God's name."
People who believe in type 1 insist that "Allah is only for Muslims. Non-Muslims can't use Allah.". Well, their argument is based on Chapter 112 in the Qur'an. This Allah issue is happening in 'moderate' Muslim country called Malaysia. -
"Allah is not God because Allah and God are two different meanings".
This is a new type of argument made by a few Quranists. Their view is also based on the characteristics of Allah / God mentioned in the Quran. But their views differ from type 1 because they don't think Allah is God / God is Allah because of what the word God always means in general.
The people who say that Allah is not God are actually strict literalists of Arabic words ofthe Qur'an.
Qur'an uses the word Allah because Qur'an is in Arabic. If Qur'an was sent down in Portuguese, the word Deus would be used instead of .
It is true that the Qur'an tells God/Allah is One, neither begets nor is begotten and there are many other characteristics of 'Allah' in Qur'an. Again, the word Allah is used because Qur'an is in Arabic.
It is ridiculous to say Allah and God are two different things or Allah is only Muslims' God's personal name just because of the characteristics of Allah. Christian Arabs who set up partners with God / Allah have been using the word Allah too to refer to English word God.If Qur'an was sent down in Portuguese, then it would be "Deus is One, Deus neither begets nor begotten" etc.
The Qur'an just tells the islamic concept of God / Deus / Allah.Ever heard of Deism? Many Deists do not view God as personal, can beget or any other human/animal-like characteristics. However they still.use the word God.
Unitarians do not view God as three-in-one.Arabs have been using the word Allah no matter what their faiths are.
Here is Arabic Bible.
http//www.mostmerciful.com/arabic-bible-genesis.jpgAllah (Arabic) = Alla (Maltese) = God (English) = Gud (Swedish) = Gott (German) = Deus (Portuguese) = Dios (Spanish) = Dieu (French) = etc........
Regards,
Yuliana -
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Allah is not a proper noun but common noun.The characteristics of proper nouns is this words has neutral in gender and forbidden to be translated into another languages evan it can.Example Muhammad, Malaysia, Siti Nurhaliza etc.
The word "Allah" is masculine in gender and it's feminine form is "Allata" / (the main rules of feminine/muannatz is ta' in the last word).This word appeared in ayat 5319.
Because of this the word "Allah" can be translated into another language "God".Peace
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Peace Yuliana and Earthdom.
The word "Allah" is also used in the arabic bible.
Form both the bible and Qoran,Allah can only mean God, Dieu,....Whatever language it simply means "God" in English.
Peace to you.
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Yes you're true @good_logic, we have same word.
Peace
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Peace,
I am not looking for answers either Allah is proper or common noun.
Deutschland is a proper noun but in English it is called Germany.
Espa?a is a proper noun but in English it is called Spain.
This thread is to discuss the monopoly of the Arabic word Allah.
Also, I am sick of Islamophobes say that Allah is moon-god and they insult the word Allah. It is just so ridiculous. Don't they know that Arab Christians use Allah too when speaking Arabic and it is what they call God in Arabic?
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So this thread is about refute sectarian's monopolist.I posted that my argument, because this is one of the keypoint for why the word "Allah" can be translated into another language.
Don't they know that Arab Christians use Allah too when speaking Arabic and it is what they call God in Arabic?
They know but didn't care.
Islamophobes is like a kindergarten boys who influenced by their teacher's dogma.Why cares about them, coz they just spread stereotypes.
Peace
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Salam
Allah is not God. laugh
Peace
Salam
Allah is not god D
Peace
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Sorry brother, I still mean it with capital "G".. or lower "g". Either one is not Allah.
I understand what u mean Allah is not god/God is not about language issues but a philoshophy.
I still remember ur disscussion with me months ago.Peace peace
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I understand what u mean Allah is not god/God is not about language issues but a philoshophy.
Salam
It is not entirely true (refer here), and it doesn't matter if people want to call Allah as god, or God, tuhan, Tuhan, al Ilah, Alla, Dios, Deus, Dieu, Gud, Gott or whatever beautiful names they wish to call Allah. It makes no difference, and it is not even an issue. Understanding is a process and believe whatever they want to believe, as long it is in the Qur'an, justly balanced and make sense. Simple!
..will understand the actual concept of Allah after becoming a Believer. .The understanding of Allah is a "life process" but not the end descriptions or meanings of Allah. It is not something that can be taken for granted or achieve through academical process, but a privilege, and dependent on the level of our faith.
Peace. peace
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Salaam,
Islamophobes call it a moon god? Allah is just literally "the god" but because of grammar you say God in English.
God bless you
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Peace All,
God is not letters, no matter how you construct them, putting any five, four, three or ten letters of any language, in any sequence is not Allah, like I (hawk99) am not letters. Letters are symbols used to identify, communicate, objects,
concepts, ideas etc., therefore one way to look at it is that the supreme being is a concept of omnipotence and
other attributes attributed to God, Allah ,Alla, Dios, Deus, Dieu, Gud, Gott, or Creator!God bless
peace
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Peace muslims, do you even freaking read my whole first post?
If Qur'an was sent down in Portuguese, then the word DEUS would be used, then it would be "Deus is One, Deus neither begets nor begotten"........ etc.
The Qur'an simply tells the concept of God in islam.
That's what I said. You are on type two. People of type two are over-Literalists of Arabic words of the Qur'an.
Arabs have been using the word even before Qur'an was sent down. Original Torah, Gospels etc, what do you think the languages of the Revelations were? The Revelations used too when they talked about 'The One who is One, Neither begets nor begotten.... Etc'?????Seriously people please read my post thoroughly.
Earthdom, type 1 is well-known. Not many people practise type 2. The people that I know practise type 2 are Abdun Nur, muslims, meteroa, Pazuzu, mmkhan***
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Peace muslims, do you even freaking read my whole first post?
Salam
Do you read your own post?
and it doesn't matter if people want to call Allah as god, or God, tuhan, Tuhan, al Ilah, Alla, Dios, Deus, Dieu, Gud, Gott or whatever beautiful names they wish to call Allah. It makes no difference, and it is not even an issue.
unless for those who belongs to any sects.. issue relating to sectarianism.
By the way, I reject the idea of "Duality" (comparison) in relation to "God"... including the following, sorry.... laugh
Ggle
(eyes)http//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ac/Square_compasses.svg/220px-Square_compasses.svg.png
?Nothing in existence within the micro or the macro planes is equivalent to HU!? (4211)
Peace. peace
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I do read my own post.
But didn't you use the 2nd type argument in your previous post "Allah is one"?
Premise 2 Sura 112 said Allah is One and not equivalent to god(s).
So I just replied your post but seems you don't comprehend anything. No wonder when people debate you, they say that you just debate with yourself.
Is it hard to understand Qur'an was sent down in Arabic so the word Allah is used. If Qur'an was sent down in Portuguese, the word Deus would be used and it would be "Deus is One, Deus neither begets nor is begotten".
Quran just tells the true monotheistic concept, not a Supernatural Being named Allah. -
I do read my own post.
But didn't you use the 2nd type argument in your previous post "Allah is one"?
So I just replied your post but seems you don't comprehend anything. No wonder when people debate you, they say that you just debate with yourself.Is it hard to understand Qur'an was sent down in Arabic so the word Allah is used. If Qur'an was sent down in Portuguese, the word Deus would be used and it would be "Deus is One, Deus neither begets nor is begotten".
Quran just tells the true monotheistic concept, not a Supernatural Being named Allah.Salam
Why this name calling, ad hominem etc?
Suddenly you feel threatened because you thread is about sectarianism, are you a sectarian? hates? racism? laugh
If you want to talk about a sectarian issue or your hates against Arabs, or Arabic language, or any races..
Sorry.. I'm not interested in this bigotry issue.
It is not even an issue according to the Qur'an.
Sectarianism is
bigotry
discrimination
or hatredarising from
attaching importance to perceived differences between subdivisions within a group <- Quranist group?
such as between different denominations of
a religion
class
regional
or factions of a political movementAND.. what's wrong with "Allah is One"?
What's wrong with "nothing is equivalent to Allah"?
This issue is not about languages.
and... what's wrong with Allah sent down the revelations to the Arabs, and in Arabic language?
an Arabic Qur'an <- Translation is a Qur'an?
without any deviance If not, why it is becoming an issue to you or anyone?
that they might become righteous Did Allah ask you to have faith in translation, as equal to the Qur'an?
(3928) If not, why it is becoming an issue to you or anyone?You don't agree with Allah decisions?
You are smarter than Allah and have better solutions? hmm
Peace.
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Seriously you really have a serious comprehensive problem. I never say I hate Arabic or Arabs or being bigoted against Arabs. I myself use Arabic name custom in my local documents. I am not a Westerner.
I never say the phrase "Allah is One'' is wrong but I was just telling that YOU used the argument "Allah is one" to prove that Allah is not God.
Is it hard to understand
Arabs have been using Allah when speaking Arabic no matter what their faiths are for more millennia, even before Qur'an was sent down.
The word Allah is used in the Qur'an because Qur'an was sent down in Arabic.
The Qur'an simply tells and explains the true monotheistic concept of God.
If Qur'an was sent down in Portuguese, the word Deus would be used instead of Allah.Where are bigotry and racism here? As far as I know SOME of the Malaysian "Muslims" are the ones who are bigoted for saying "Non-Muslims cannot use Allah".
Can you also prove me that the previous Messengers also use Allah with exact pronunciation?
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If Qur'an was sent down in Portuguese, the word Deus would be used and it would be "Deus is One, Deus neither begets nor is begotten".
Quran just tells the true monotheistic concept, not a Supernatural Being named Allah.Salam
You need to ask the Submitters to review using their Code 19, and delete or change the following verses... There is no other sect can amend the Qur'an.
Original
And if you asked them
"Who created the heavens and the earth?"
they would surely say, " Allah ."
(3642)Proposal for amendment
And if you asked them
"Who created the heavens and the earth?"
they would surely say, " God ."Asked them again, which God? <- proposal for addition of new verses ;D
Be specific, there are many Gods!
They would surely say, ummmmmm......
But God, what is your name?
Say, I am God. brickwall(3642 - Amended)
Peace
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I never say the phrase "Allah is One'' is wrong but I was just telling that YOU used the argument "Allah is one" to prove that Allah is not God.
Say, "He is Allah, One
Allah, the Eternal Refuge
He neither begets nor is born
Nor is there to Him any equivalent"
(112)Logical Argument
Premise 1 There are many (equivalent concept of) gods worshiped by human beings.
Premise 2 Sura 112 said Allah is One and not equivalent to god(s).Argument Therefore, Allah is . . . ?
(a) God; or
(b) not GodSalam
If Allah is God, and every religion is using capital "G" for their gods, would it then be inconsistent with the following ayat?
Nor is there to Him any equivalent" (1124) <- including God or god (refer here)
?Nothing in existence within the micro or the macro planes is equivalent to HU!? (4211)
(refer definition clause in the Qur'an, interpretation of La Illah Ila Allah and interpretation of Surah Ikhlas)
Peace