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    muslims
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    I understand what u mean Allah is not god/God is not about language issues but a philoshophy.

    Salam

    It is not entirely true (refer here), and it doesn't matter if people want to call Allah as god, or God, tuhan, Tuhan, al Ilah, Alla, Dios, Deus, Dieu, Gud, Gott or whatever beautiful names they wish to call Allah. It makes no difference, and it is not even an issue. Understanding is a process and believe whatever they want to believe, as long it is in the Qur'an, justly balanced and make sense. Simple!

    ..will understand the actual concept of Allah after becoming a Believer. .The understanding of Allah is a "life process" but not the end descriptions or meanings of Allah. It is not something that can be taken for granted or achieve through academical process, but a privilege, and dependent on the level of our faith.

    Peace. peace

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      Man_of_Faith
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      Salaam,

      Islamophobes call it a moon god? Allah is just literally "the god" but because of grammar you say God in English.

      God bless you

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        hawk99
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        Peace All,

        God is not letters, no matter how you construct them, putting any five, four, three or ten letters of any language, in any sequence is not Allah, like I (hawk99) am not letters. Letters are symbols used to identify, communicate, objects,
        concepts, ideas etc., therefore one way to look at it is that the supreme being is a concept of omnipotence and
        other attributes attributed to God, Allah ,Alla, Dios, Deus, Dieu, Gud, Gott, or Creator!

        God bless

        peace

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          diamantinehoneybunch
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          Peace muslims, do you even freaking read my whole first post?

          If Qur'an was sent down in Portuguese, then the word DEUS would be used, then it would be "Deus is One, Deus neither begets nor begotten"........ etc.
          The Qur'an simply tells the concept of God in islam.
          That's what I said. You are on type two. People of type two are over-Literalists of Arabic words of the Qur'an.
          Arabs have been using the word even before Qur'an was sent down. Original Torah, Gospels etc, what do you think the languages of the Revelations were? The Revelations used too when they talked about 'The One who is One, Neither begets nor begotten.... Etc'?????

          Seriously people please read my post thoroughly.

          Earthdom, type 1 is well-known. Not many people practise type 2. The people that I know practise type 2 are Abdun Nur, muslims, meteroa, Pazuzu, mmkhan***
          *** means not really sure or maybe I misunderstood.

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            muslims
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            Peace muslims, do you even freaking read my whole first post?

            Salam

            Do you read your own post?

            and it doesn't matter if people want to call Allah as god, or God, tuhan, Tuhan, al Ilah, Alla, Dios, Deus, Dieu, Gud, Gott or whatever beautiful names they wish to call Allah. It makes no difference, and it is not even an issue.

            unless for those who belongs to any sects.. issue relating to sectarianism.

            By the way, I reject the idea of "Duality" (comparison) in relation to "God"... including the following, sorry.... laugh

            Ggle
            (eyes)

            http//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ac/Square_compasses.svg/220px-Square_compasses.svg.png

            ?Nothing in existence within the micro or the macro planes is equivalent to HU!? (4211)

            Peace. peace

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              diamantinehoneybunch
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              I do read my own post.

              But didn't you use the 2nd type argument in your previous post "Allah is one"?

              Premise 2 Sura 112 said Allah is One and not equivalent to god(s).

              So I just replied your post but seems you don't comprehend anything. No wonder when people debate you, they say that you just debate with yourself.

              Is it hard to understand Qur'an was sent down in Arabic so the word Allah is used. If Qur'an was sent down in Portuguese, the word Deus would be used and it would be "Deus is One, Deus neither begets nor is begotten".
              Quran just tells the true monotheistic concept, not a Supernatural Being named Allah.

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                muslims
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                I do read my own post.

                But didn't you use the 2nd type argument in your previous post "Allah is one"?
                So I just replied your post but seems you don't comprehend anything. No wonder when people debate you, they say that you just debate with yourself.

                Is it hard to understand Qur'an was sent down in Arabic so the word Allah is used. If Qur'an was sent down in Portuguese, the word Deus would be used and it would be "Deus is One, Deus neither begets nor is begotten".
                Quran just tells the true monotheistic concept, not a Supernatural Being named Allah.

                Salam

                Why this name calling, ad hominem etc?

                Suddenly you feel threatened because you thread is about sectarianism, are you a sectarian? hates? racism? laugh

                If you want to talk about a sectarian issue or your hates against Arabs, or Arabic language, or any races..

                Sorry.. I'm not interested in this bigotry issue.

                It is not even an issue according to the Qur'an.

                Sectarianism is
                bigotry
                discrimination
                or hatred

                arising from
                attaching importance to perceived differences between subdivisions within a group <- Quranist group?
                such as between different denominations of
                a religion
                class
                regional
                or factions of a political movement

                AND.. what's wrong with "Allah is One"?

                What's wrong with "nothing is equivalent to Allah"?

                This issue is not about languages.

                and... what's wrong with Allah sent down the revelations to the Arabs, and in Arabic language?

                an Arabic Qur'an <- Translation is a Qur'an?
                without any deviance If not, why it is becoming an issue to you or anyone?
                that they might become righteous Did Allah ask you to have faith in translation, as equal to the Qur'an?
                (3928) If not, why it is becoming an issue to you or anyone?

                You don't agree with Allah decisions?

                You are smarter than Allah and have better solutions? hmm

                Peace.

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                  diamantinehoneybunch
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                  Seriously you really have a serious comprehensive problem. I never say I hate Arabic or Arabs or being bigoted against Arabs. I myself use Arabic name custom in my local documents. I am not a Westerner.

                  I never say the phrase "Allah is One'' is wrong but I was just telling that YOU used the argument "Allah is one" to prove that Allah is not God.

                  Is it hard to understand
                  Arabs have been using Allah when speaking Arabic no matter what their faiths are for more millennia, even before Qur'an was sent down.
                  The word Allah is used in the Qur'an because Qur'an was sent down in Arabic.
                  The Qur'an simply tells and explains the true monotheistic concept of God.
                  If Qur'an was sent down in Portuguese, the word Deus would be used instead of Allah.

                  Where are bigotry and racism here? As far as I know SOME of the Malaysian "Muslims" are the ones who are bigoted for saying "Non-Muslims cannot use Allah".

                  Can you also prove me that the previous Messengers also use Allah with exact pronunciation?

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                    muslims
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                    If Qur'an was sent down in Portuguese, the word Deus would be used and it would be "Deus is One, Deus neither begets nor is begotten".
                    Quran just tells the true monotheistic concept, not a Supernatural Being named Allah.

                    Salam

                    You need to ask the Submitters to review using their Code 19, and delete or change the following verses... There is no other sect can amend the Qur'an.

                    Original

                    And if you asked them
                    "Who created the heavens and the earth?"
                    they would surely say, " Allah ."
                    (3642)

                    Proposal for amendment

                    And if you asked them
                    "Who created the heavens and the earth?"
                    they would surely say, " God ."

                    Asked them again, which God? <- proposal for addition of new verses ;D
                    Be specific, there are many Gods!
                    They would surely say, ummmmmm......
                    But God, what is your name?
                    Say, I am God. brickwall

                    (3642 - Amended)

                    Peace

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                      muslims
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                      I never say the phrase "Allah is One'' is wrong but I was just telling that YOU used the argument "Allah is one" to prove that Allah is not God.

                      Say, "He is Allah, One
                      Allah, the Eternal Refuge
                      He neither begets nor is born
                      Nor is there to Him any equivalent"
                      (112)

                      Logical Argument

                      Premise 1 There are many (equivalent concept of) gods worshiped by human beings.
                      Premise 2 Sura 112 said Allah is One and not equivalent to god(s).

                      Argument Therefore, Allah is . . . ?
                      (a) God; or
                      (b) not God

                      Salam

                      If Allah is God, and every religion is using capital "G" for their gods, would it then be inconsistent with the following ayat?

                      Nor is there to Him any equivalent" (1124) <- including God or god (refer here)

                      ?Nothing in existence within the micro or the macro planes is equivalent to HU!? (4211)

                      (refer definition clause in the Qur'an, interpretation of La Illah Ila Allah and interpretation of Surah Ikhlas)

                      Peace

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                        muslims
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                        If Qur'an was sent down in Portuguese, the word Deus would be used and it would be "Deus is One, Deus neither begets nor is begotten".
                        Quran just tells the true monotheistic concept, not a Supernatural Being named Allah.

                        Salam

                        Can the following verse

                        Indeed, those who have said "Our Lord is Allah"
                        (4613)

                        be translated as follows?

                        Indeed, those who have said "Our Lord is God"
                        (4613)

                        or

                        Indeed, those who have said "Our God is God" brickwall
                        (4613)

                        Another conspiracy theories for referring all gods to the Tetragrammaton?

                        As religiously observant Jews are forbidden to say or write the Tetragrammaton in full, when reading the Torah they use the word Adonai. And although most Christians have no prohibition on vocalizing the Tetragrammaton, in most Christian translations of the Bible, "LORD" is used in place of the Tetragrammaton, after the Hebrew Adonai, and is often written with small capitals (or in all caps) to distinguish it from other words translated as "Lord". The name may be derived from a verb that means "to be, to exist".

                        http//www.oraclesofyah.org/tet50.jpg

                        http//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b1/Tetragrammaton-related-Masoretic-vowel-points.png/316px-Tetragrammaton-related-Masoretic-vowel-points.png

                        http//4.bp.blogspot.com/-r5TwQ769HO4/TwCXFZMY4nI/AAAAAAAAAGc/2Y2Vwz5tG_w/s400/tetragrammaton.jpg

                        Peace peace

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                          diamantinehoneybunch
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                          Then why the **** do Christian Arabs use Allah too huh?

                          I am not discussing the nature of Allah in the Qur'an. This thread is aimed to talk about the origin and uses of the word Allah by various faiths especially those who speak Arabic.

                          There are also many illahs. Allah is the contraction of al-ilah. Why is it so hard to understand?

                          Qur'an was sent down in Arabic so the word Allah (contraction of al-ilah is used).

                          The verse " Allah is one" is because Qur'an was sent down in Arabic and the word Allah is used because Allah is in Arabic. The suchlike verses are to tell the Quranic concept of The Supreme Being.
                          = Lord
                          = god
                          , contraction of and = God

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                            muslims
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                            Salam

                            How are we going to find a conclusion if you are ignoring every question, facts and verses from the Qur'an? hmm

                            And in anything over which you disagree
                            its ruling is to Allah . ,
                            "That is Allah , my Lord <- another example, should it mean "That is God, my God" confused
                            upon Him I have relied
                            and to Him I turn back."
                            (4210)

                            Peace

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                              diamantinehoneybunch
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                              Rabb / Lord means a master who has authority over others.
                              Who is our master? Ayatollah of Iran? King of Saud? A human-master who enslaves us? No! Our Lord is God / al-ilah.

                              I am not ignoring verses. I read every little thing you wrote but you never comprehend what people who use God says.
                              Do you think the previous prophets used Allah too despite different languages they used?

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                                muslims
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                                Quran just tells the true monotheistic concept, not a Supernatural Being named Allah.

                                Btw the word Allah and l-ilah is still different words, because merging Al and ilah into "Allah" has no rule in Arabic.

                                Salam

                                Please answer and translate the words so that the word Allah makes sense to anyone.

                                Lord may also means God

                                Definition of LORD
                                capitalized
                                a god 1
                                b jesus

                                Lord
                                a. God.
                                b. Christianity Jesus.

                                Oxford Dictionaries
                                (Lord) a name for God or Christ
                                give thanks to the Lord

                                Collins
                                a title given to God or Jesus Christ

                                Macmillan Dictionary
                                the Lord a name that Christians use for talking about God or Jesus Christ
                                Praise the Lord!

                                Webster's New World College Dictionary
                                Lord is a reference to God or Jesus.n

                                FIRST ISSUE - IGNORED

                                Why the issue of translation is relevant to the Qur'an?

                                It is not even an issue according to the Qur'an.

                                it doesn't matter if people want to call Allah as god, or God, tuhan, Tuhan, al Ilah, Alla, Dios, Deus, Dieu, Gud, Gott or whatever beautiful names they wish to call Allah. It makes no difference, and it is not even an issue. Understanding is a process and believe whatever they want to believe, as long it is in the Qur'an, justly balanced and make sense. Simple!

                                what's wrong with Allah sent down the revelations to the Arabs, and in Arabic language?

                                an Arabic Qur'an <- Translation is a Qur'an?
                                without any deviance If not, why it is becoming an issue to you or anyone?
                                that they might become righteous Did Allah ask you to have faith in translation, as equal to the Qur'an?
                                (3928) If not, why it is becoming an issue to you or anyone?

                                Does the following is an evidence for the "deviation" of the word "Allah"? (not critical)

                                SECOND ISSUE - IGNORED

                                Original

                                And if you asked them
                                "Who created the heavens and the earth?"
                                they would surely say, " Allah ."
                                (3642)

                                Proposal for amendment

                                And if you asked them
                                "Who created the heavens and the earth?"
                                they would surely say, " God ."

                                Asked them again, which God? <- proposal for addition of new verses ;D
                                Be specific, there are many Gods!
                                They would surely say, ummmmmm......
                                But God, what is your name?
                                Say, I am God. brickwall

                                (3642 - Amended)

                                THIRD ISSUE - IGNORED

                                Can the following verse

                                Indeed, those who have said "Our Lord is Allah"
                                (4613)

                                be translated as follows?

                                Indeed, those who have said "Our Lord is God"
                                (4613)

                                or

                                Indeed, those who have said "Our God is God" brickwall
                                (4613)

                                FOURTH ISSUE - IGNORE?

                                And in anything over which you disagree
                                its ruling is to Allah . ,
                                "That is Allah , my Lord <- another example, should it mean "That is God, my God" confused
                                upon Him I have relied
                                and to Him I turn back."
                                (4210)

                                FIFTH ISSUE - IGNORED

                                If Allah is God, and every religion is using capital "G" for their gods, would it then be inconsistent with the following ayat?

                                Nor is there to Him any equivalent" (1124) <- including God or god (refer here)

                                ?Nothing in existence within the micro or the macro planes is equivalent to HU!? (4211)

                                (refer definition clause in the Qur'an, interpretation of La Illah Ila Allah and interpretation of Surah Ikhlas)

                                http//c00022506.cdn1.cloudfiles.rackspacecloud.com/5_73.png

                                They have certainly disbelieved who say, " Allah is the third of three." And there is no god except one God. And if they do not desist from what they are saying, there will surely afflict the disbelievers among them a painful punishment. (573)

                                http//c00022506.cdn1.cloudfiles.rackspacecloud.com/20_98.png
                                Your god is only Allah , except for whom there is no deity. He has encompassed all things in knowledge." (2098)

                                LAST ISSUE

                                Why Allah using the word "God" in so many places in the Qur'an, when "Allah" itself means "God"?

                                Peace

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                                  diamantinehoneybunch
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                                  I read everything you wrote sir.

                                  Just because I didn't 'answer' doesn't mean I ignore.

                                  It is wasting time to talk a bullet-headed person like you.

                                  Ever heard the title Lord?

                                  The people who call Jesus Lord do so because they consider Jesus as Divine.
                                  I am not discussing the nature of Allah in the Quran but the word Allah that is being monopolized by fanatical Quran literalists.

                                  Arabs have been using the word Allah for millennia, even before Qur'an was sent down. They included the Arabs who considered Jesus as son of Allah etc.

                                  I don't understand why you quoted Earthdom's old post. Earthdom later changed his mind again.

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                                    muslims
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                                    Salam

                                    Why are you still ignoring and not answering the issue?

                                    Is this how you prove your truth?

                                    Everyone can do like what you did, even those who are uneducated.

                                    I'm out... wasting my time if you are not serious for discussion and keep ignoring every issue, and then relying on sources other than the Qur'an for the determination truth. laugh

                                    Your god is only Allah
                                    (2098)

                                    Your god is only God <- Imagine this is an oral communication...
                                    (2098) How should people respond to this kind of statement? confused

                                    Freemind

                                    Surely your god is God <- if oral? Say again? ;D
                                    If he is a Hindu, he might think that you are referring to Lord Krishna etc
                                    "Sure, my god is God! Let's go to the Temple!" laugh
                                    Muhammad? "Please Gabriel, is it wih capital "G"? "Wait, I need to ask god, oppsss God"

                                    Peace.

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                                      unknownuser
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                                      I don't understand why you quoted Earthdom's old post. Earthdom later changed his mind again.

                                      Yes Yuliana is true, I already change my mind.

                                      Your god is only God <- Imagine this is an oral communication...
                                      (209 How should people respond to this kind of statement? confused

                                      May in our place this is look strange but for english speaking people it is not.

                                      Peace

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                                        Man_of_Faith
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                                        Salaam,

                                        The language in Qur'an is Arabic so of course the examples are written in Arabic too. If I was asked the same question it would likely not be in Arabic and I would answer Gud or God. Talk about sterile logic.

                                        God bless you

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                                          hawk99
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                                          Peace Family,

                                          This thread has become a bit of a comedy, it's like debating which is correct

                                          Michael or Miguel

                                          Anna or Hannah

                                          John or Juan

                                          God bless

                                          peace

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