Allah = God = Alla = Dios = Deus = Dieu = Gud = Gott....
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I never say the phrase "Allah is One'' is wrong but I was just telling that YOU used the argument "Allah is one" to prove that Allah is not God.
Say, "He is Allah, One
Allah, the Eternal Refuge
He neither begets nor is born
Nor is there to Him any equivalent"
(112)Logical Argument
Premise 1 There are many (equivalent concept of) gods worshiped by human beings.
Premise 2 Sura 112 said Allah is One and not equivalent to god(s).Argument Therefore, Allah is . . . ?
(a) God; or
(b) not GodSalam
If Allah is God, and every religion is using capital "G" for their gods, would it then be inconsistent with the following ayat?
Nor is there to Him any equivalent" (1124) <- including God or god (refer here)
?Nothing in existence within the micro or the macro planes is equivalent to HU!? (4211)
(refer definition clause in the Qur'an, interpretation of La Illah Ila Allah and interpretation of Surah Ikhlas)
Peace
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If Qur'an was sent down in Portuguese, the word Deus would be used and it would be "Deus is One, Deus neither begets nor is begotten".
Quran just tells the true monotheistic concept, not a Supernatural Being named Allah.Salam
Can the following verse
Indeed, those who have said "Our Lord is Allah"
(4613)be translated as follows?
Indeed, those who have said "Our Lord is God"
(4613)or
Indeed, those who have said "Our God is God" brickwall
(4613)Another conspiracy theories for referring all gods to the Tetragrammaton?
As religiously observant Jews are forbidden to say or write the Tetragrammaton in full, when reading the Torah they use the word Adonai. And although most Christians have no prohibition on vocalizing the Tetragrammaton, in most Christian translations of the Bible, "LORD" is used in place of the Tetragrammaton, after the Hebrew Adonai, and is often written with small capitals (or in all caps) to distinguish it from other words translated as "Lord". The name may be derived from a verb that means "to be, to exist".
http//www.oraclesofyah.org/tet50.jpg
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http//4.bp.blogspot.com/-r5TwQ769HO4/TwCXFZMY4nI/AAAAAAAAAGc/2Y2Vwz5tG_w/s400/tetragrammaton.jpg
Peace peace
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Then why the **** do Christian Arabs use Allah too huh?
I am not discussing the nature of Allah in the Qur'an. This thread is aimed to talk about the origin and uses of the word Allah by various faiths especially those who speak Arabic.
There are also many illahs. Allah is the contraction of al-ilah. Why is it so hard to understand?
Qur'an was sent down in Arabic so the word Allah (contraction of al-ilah is used).
The verse " Allah is one" is because Qur'an was sent down in Arabic and the word Allah is used because Allah is in Arabic. The suchlike verses are to tell the Quranic concept of The Supreme Being.
= Lord
= god
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Salam
How are we going to find a conclusion if you are ignoring every question, facts and verses from the Qur'an? hmm
And in anything over which you disagree
its ruling is to Allah . ,
"That is Allah , my Lord <- another example, should it mean "That is God, my God" confused
upon Him I have relied
and to Him I turn back."
(4210)Peace
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Rabb / Lord means a master who has authority over others.
Who is our master? Ayatollah of Iran? King of Saud? A human-master who enslaves us? No! Our Lord is God / al-ilah.I am not ignoring verses. I read every little thing you wrote but you never comprehend what people who use God says.
Do you think the previous prophets used Allah too despite different languages they used? -
Quran just tells the true monotheistic concept, not a Supernatural Being named Allah.
Btw the word Allah and l-ilah is still different words, because merging Al and ilah into "Allah" has no rule in Arabic.
Salam
Please answer and translate the words so that the word Allah makes sense to anyone.
Lord may also means God
Definition of LORD
capitalized
a god 1
b jesusLord
a. God.
b. Christianity Jesus.Oxford Dictionaries
(Lord) a name for God or Christ
give thanks to the LordCollins
a title given to God or Jesus ChristMacmillan Dictionary
the Lord a name that Christians use for talking about God or Jesus Christ
Praise the Lord!Webster's New World College Dictionary
Lord is a reference to God or Jesus.nFIRST ISSUE - IGNORED
Why the issue of translation is relevant to the Qur'an?
It is not even an issue according to the Qur'an.
it doesn't matter if people want to call Allah as god, or God, tuhan, Tuhan, al Ilah, Alla, Dios, Deus, Dieu, Gud, Gott or whatever beautiful names they wish to call Allah. It makes no difference, and it is not even an issue. Understanding is a process and believe whatever they want to believe, as long it is in the Qur'an, justly balanced and make sense. Simple!
what's wrong with Allah sent down the revelations to the Arabs, and in Arabic language?
an Arabic Qur'an <- Translation is a Qur'an?
without any deviance If not, why it is becoming an issue to you or anyone?
that they might become righteous Did Allah ask you to have faith in translation, as equal to the Qur'an?
(3928) If not, why it is becoming an issue to you or anyone?Does the following is an evidence for the "deviation" of the word "Allah"? (not critical)
SECOND ISSUE - IGNORED
Original
And if you asked them
"Who created the heavens and the earth?"
they would surely say, " Allah ."
(3642)Proposal for amendment
And if you asked them
"Who created the heavens and the earth?"
they would surely say, " God ."Asked them again, which God? <- proposal for addition of new verses ;D
Be specific, there are many Gods!
They would surely say, ummmmmm......
But God, what is your name?
Say, I am God. brickwall(3642 - Amended)
THIRD ISSUE - IGNORED
Can the following verse
Indeed, those who have said "Our Lord is Allah"
(4613)be translated as follows?
Indeed, those who have said "Our Lord is God"
(4613)or
Indeed, those who have said "Our God is God" brickwall
(4613)FOURTH ISSUE - IGNORE?
And in anything over which you disagree
its ruling is to Allah . ,
"That is Allah , my Lord <- another example, should it mean "That is God, my God" confused
upon Him I have relied
and to Him I turn back."
(4210)FIFTH ISSUE - IGNORED
If Allah is God, and every religion is using capital "G" for their gods, would it then be inconsistent with the following ayat?
Nor is there to Him any equivalent" (1124) <- including God or god (refer here)
?Nothing in existence within the micro or the macro planes is equivalent to HU!? (4211)
(refer definition clause in the Qur'an, interpretation of La Illah Ila Allah and interpretation of Surah Ikhlas)
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They have certainly disbelieved who say, " Allah is the third of three." And there is no god except one God. And if they do not desist from what they are saying, there will surely afflict the disbelievers among them a painful punishment. (573)
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Your god is only Allah , except for whom there is no deity. He has encompassed all things in knowledge." (2098)LAST ISSUE
Why Allah using the word "God" in so many places in the Qur'an, when "Allah" itself means "God"?
Peace
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I read everything you wrote sir.
Just because I didn't 'answer' doesn't mean I ignore.
It is wasting time to talk a bullet-headed person like you.
Ever heard the title Lord?
The people who call Jesus Lord do so because they consider Jesus as Divine.
I am not discussing the nature of Allah in the Quran but the word Allah that is being monopolized by fanatical Quran literalists.Arabs have been using the word Allah for millennia, even before Qur'an was sent down. They included the Arabs who considered Jesus as son of Allah etc.
I don't understand why you quoted Earthdom's old post. Earthdom later changed his mind again.
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Salam
Why are you still ignoring and not answering the issue?
Is this how you prove your truth?
Everyone can do like what you did, even those who are uneducated.
I'm out... wasting my time if you are not serious for discussion and keep ignoring every issue, and then relying on sources other than the Qur'an for the determination truth. laugh
Your god is only Allah
(2098)Your god is only God <- Imagine this is an oral communication...
(2098) How should people respond to this kind of statement? confusedFreemind
Surely your god is God <- if oral? Say again? ;D
If he is a Hindu, he might think that you are referring to Lord Krishna etc
"Sure, my god is God! Let's go to the Temple!" laugh
Muhammad? "Please Gabriel, is it wih capital "G"? "Wait, I need to ask god, oppsss God"Peace.
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I don't understand why you quoted Earthdom's old post. Earthdom later changed his mind again.
Yes Yuliana is true, I already change my mind.
Your god is only God <- Imagine this is an oral communication...
(209 How should people respond to this kind of statement? confusedMay in our place this is look strange but for english speaking people it is not.
Peace
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Salaam,
The language in Qur'an is Arabic so of course the examples are written in Arabic too. If I was asked the same question it would likely not be in Arabic and I would answer Gud or God. Talk about sterile logic.
God bless you
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Salam
This is funny, a translation issue.
It must be crazy to pronounce "God" and "god" and sounds differently. laugh
Freemind Translation
Surely your god is God
(209Facts during the revelation..
Gabriel, you say god to Muhammad
Go tell him again, it is God, not god!
But God I...
Gabriel! call me God, not god!Sounds like the trinity issue.. is it one or three gods?
Peace rotfl
an Arabic Qur'an <- Translation is a Qur'an?
without any deviance If not, why it is becoming an issue to you or anyone?
that they might become righteous Did Allah ask you to have faith in translation, as equal to the Qur'an?
(392 If not, why it is becoming an issue to you or anyone? -
Salam
This is funny, a translation issue.
It must be crazy to pronounce "God" and "god" and sounds differently. laugh
Salam
But this is more funny to see you who still highly influenced by the local language ;D.
In "gay-muslims" thread yu order me to follow english dictionaries regarding "spouse" and now u'rself against the rulePeace
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But I recommend you read this sites http//simple.wiktionary.org/wiki/god
http//simple.wiktionary.org/wiki/Godhttp//s24.postimg.org/ugrbsrvol/god.jpg?w=300
Can you explain the above link relating to "God"?
(red arrow below)
It says -> "An artist's idea of the God in Christianity, Judaism and Islam."
Salam
I don't know if there is any real difference between "God" and "god", so as the link you have given above (your dictionary, that is your God? and you wish I to accept your definition?).... and you seriously need to re-read again my above statement, so that it doesn't sound like a duck. ;D
Translation is a Qur'an?
If not, why it is becoming an issue to you or anyone?Did Allah ask you to have faith in translation, as equal to the Qur'an?
If not, why it is becoming an issue to you or anyone?and..
it doesn't matter if people want to call Allah as god, or God, tuhan, Tuhan, al Ilah, Alla, Dios, Deus, Dieu, Gud, Gott or whatever beautiful names they wish to call Allah. It makes no difference, and it is not even an issue.
It is not even an issue according to the Qur'an.
Peace
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Salaam
It's not easy to talk with someone like you.
If this is not an issue, then why u keep said funny to god-God term.Maybe pakcik need a refreshing Gwiyomi
Peace
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Peace, reminds me of old Albanian sayings
"burri ne shtepi, eshte si dreqi ne Xhami" -- man at home like devil in mosque.
"zoti i sht?pis?" -- lord/master of the house (zoti means god in Albanian)
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlgzTzwHies
Therefore, it makes no sense in any language to translate using a name e.g.
Adam/Mike of the house
Likewise incorrect and senseless to translate as Allah (i.e. personal name).
63 and he the god (zoti) in the heavens and in the earth...
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This thread has become a bit of a comedy,
LOL I concur...
More fundamentally, debating on "the name" thus the conception of "personal name" itself is a comedy..
It's as similar as thou must not translate Jamal to Camel or Moshe to Musa or Moses.Need to trace back on WHY the "big standing primate" invented "name" for things.
It started when the primate developed the ability to "talk".
Where, talk is communicating thoughts to other big standing primate through AUDIO SIGNAL.Thus risen the need for an 'agreement' of how "sounds" correlate to thought thus its meanings.
As the big primate spread as group all over the earth, the 'agreement' varies among group, thus the difference of 'language' or 'the guide on how the AUDIO SIGNAL correlate to meanings'.IF the big primate is able to communicate through 'mind transfer' (a.k.a telepathy) there will be no need of 'name' because the 'thoughts' are being 'transferred' directly without the conveyance of AUDIO signal.
As the big primate society developed, some of them feel that some 'audio signal' and "symbolic icon to audio signal' (name in written form) as their 'property'.
They invented things such as "Trademark" to forbid usage by other group of primate.So back to the "Malaysia case", they should register "ALLAH" as their their 'international trademark' thus their 'property', only then they have the legality of controlling on who have the rights to use "ALLAH".
While on this forum the 'debate' is whether "ALLAH" can be translated or not to other AUDIO signal (thus to other symbolic icon)
The answer is of course it CAN!
As the sole objective of communication is actually "thought transfer".Salam / Peace
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Greetings and Peace, all group
7180 And to GOD belong the most beautiful names, so call Him by them; and leave alone those who deviate His names. They will be punished for what they used to do.
208 GOD, there is no god except He, to Him are the beautiful names.
5924 He is GOD; the Creator, the Initiator, the Designer. To Him belong the most beautiful names. Glorifying Him is everything in the heavens and the earth. He is the Noble, the Wise.
It is not like there is one god for one faith and another god for another faith. There is only one GOD. What religion did Abraham (Peace upon all Prophets) practice? hmm
Did all Prophets speak the same language? !
144 And We have not sent any messenger except in the language of his people, so he may clarify for them. But GOD misguides whom He wills, and He guides whom He wills. And He is the Noble, the Wise.
ALLAH knows best.
peace
~Abdul-Hadi
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leave alone those who deviate His names
Let say I wish to pronounce the following sentence to someone... how to pronounce with differences?
god is God confused
(2098)and if the Quran was sent down in English with "oral" revelations..
If Qur'an was sent down in Portuguese, the word Deus would be used instead of .