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What is HIKMA ?

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    noshirk
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    Salam

    2129 ?Our Lord, and send among them a messenger from among themselves, that he may recite to them Your revelations and teach them the Book and the HIKMA, and purify them. You are the Noble, the Wise.?
    2151 As We have sent a messenger to you from among yourselves to recite Our revelations to you, and purify you, and teach you the Book and the HIKMA, and teach you what you did not know.
    2269 He grants HIKMA to whom He chooses, and whoever is granted wisdom has been given much good. Only those who possess intelligence will remember.
    3164 God has bestowed grace upon the believers by sending them a messenger from among themselves reciting His revelations and purifying them and teaching them the Book and the HIKMA, and they were before in manifest darkness.
    1337 And as such, We have sent it down a HOKMAN which is in Arabic. And if you follow their desires after what has come to you of the knowledge, then you will not have any ally or defender against God.
    1739 That is from what your Lord has inspired to you of the HIKMA. And do not make with God another god, or you will be cast into Hell, blameworthy and regretting.
    312 These are the signs of the HAKIM Book .

    HIKMA is traduced by wisdom in monotheist traduction.

    HIKMA seems then to be a very important thing. It is teached by messengers with the book.

    "scholars" says that Hikma is what is contained in their books and in hearsays books of bukhari and muslim and so on.

    Roots hkm has many meanings

    Hakama to judge
    HOKM empeach injustice (original meaning) / power (nowadays meanings)
    HAKIM Wise man. Doctor.
    HIKMA empeach ignorance/wisdom

    Nowadays, HOUKOUMA means governement. Hawkama means governance/managment.

    So the question is still, what teach messengers with books of God ?
    1-did they teach other teachings ?
    2-did they teach extra revelation not included in the main revelation ?
    3-did they teach their own understandings of the revelation?
    4-Did they teach , by samples, how to study the main revelation and how to obtain true meanings ?

    Of course. i am for the fourth understanding.
    wisdom (dictionnary) the quality or state of being wise; knowledge of what is true or right coupled with just judgment as to action; sagacity, discernment, or insight.

    Quran is book of wisdom. How to study it is included in the book.

    1-make tartil (own arrangments of verses) on a given subject. God made his own tartil (25-32) and we have to make ours (73-4)
    2-follow only ayats of god as hadith (45-6)
    3-don't follow tutors (7-3)
    4-don't follow leaders (33-67)
    5-dont take priest as tutors (9-31)
    6-don't take angels and anbiya as Educators/arbabs (3-80)
    7-don't follow ancestors (2-170;5-104;6-148;7-128;31-21 and many others)
    8-don't follow majority (6-116)
    9-don't follow apparent pious (4-142 ;107-4 107-6 ,2-204 and 2-205 )
    10- abstain from vain talk (23-3).
    11-follow proofs (28-74 ;28-75) and
    12-use mind (34-46,17-36 and others).

    Hikma is for me, the ability to distinguish truth from falseness.
    While reading Quran, only who Allah gave them Hikma, can have a good understanding of Quran (but never a complete understanding 3-7).

    1698 When you read the Qur?an, you shall seek refuge with God from the outcast Shaytan.

    Shaytan recommends the opposite methodology (point 1 to 12) to teach his different "understandings" of Quran.
    Shaytan reject meanings of Asma (names of things) given by God and follow his own definitions.

    231 And He taught Adam the names of all things, then He displayed them to the angels and said ?Inform Me of the names of these if you are truthful.?
    232 They said ?Glory to You, we have no knowledge except that which You have taught us, You are the Knowledgeable, the Wise.?
    233 He said ?O Adam, inform them "about" their names,? so when he informed them of their names, He said ?Did I not tell you that I know the unseen of the heavens and the earth, and that I know what you reveal and what you are hiding??
    234 And We said to the angels ?ASJID to Adam,? so they SAJADOU except for Satan, he refused and became arrogant, and became of the rejecters.

    of course, for me, SJD means hearing, accepting and obeing.
    but of course, the "other side" has his "own definition" for SJD and quite for "all quranic namings"

    1995 And all of them will come to Him on the Day of Resurrection, all alone.

    Peace

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      Wakas
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      peace,

      Here is my simple view
      http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=14594.msg135168#msg135168

      All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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        noshirk
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        peace,

        Here is my simple view
        http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=14594.msg135168#msg135168

        salaam Wakas

        i agree also with what you said. I think however that you are speaking of higher grades/stages/darajat of Hikma.

        683 And such was Our argument that We gave Abraham over his people; We raise the degree of whom We please. Your Lord is Wise, Knowledgeable.

        of course, highest ranks are reserved
        4015 Possessor of the highest ranks, the One with the Throne. He sends the Spirit with His command upon whom He wills from His servants, that they may warn of the Day of Summoning.

        Lessons and insights are , by definition, generally written between the lines. Many interpretations are sometimes allowed at the same time.

        i think however that first "grade" would be discerning true meanings from false meaning. Searching for lessons can help in this task.

        12111 In their stories (of prophets) is a lesson (ibra) for those who possess intelligence. It is not a narration that has been invented, but an authentication of what is between his hands and a detailing of all things, and a guidance and a mercy for a people who believe.

        the ability to extract ibra/lesson is, i , think a higher and more complex stage of wisdom.

        2444 God rotates the night and the day. In that is a (ibra)lesson for those who have insight.

        ibra is also in nature. The other "writing" of God.
        probably, higher than lessons, there is "reasons". the Why ?

        it seems to me that there is many hidden things/secrets in quran. A book with multiple entries.

        Peace

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          huruf
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          Hikma, I understand, is the capacity to use knowledge properly, to follow the guidance,contained for instance in the Qur'an in the proper way. To have the disernment to use whatever is appropriate of it to the appropriate circumstance. In that sense, yes, it is wisdom. The guidance and de ability to use it. It is given to the prophets, it is given to many people to. But obviously the first ones who had to be gifted with that would have to be the very prophets. To use the guidance without hikma we might be like that donkey loaded with books.

          Like punishment and forgiveness. Forgiveness is better, but punishment does have a use. So it would be hikma what would allows us to discard punishment where fireness would be better and to apply punishment where it would be more appropriate.

          Salaam

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            Hikma, I understand, is the capacity to use knowledge properly, to follow the guidance,contained for instance in the Qur'an in the proper way. To have the disernment to use whatever is appropriate of it to the appropriate circumstance. In that sense, yes, it is wisdom. The guidance and de ability to use it. It is given to the prophets, it is given to many people to. But obviously the first ones who had to be gifted with that would have to be the very prophets. To use the guidance without hikma we might be like that donkey loaded with books.

            Like punishment and forgiveness. Forgiveness is better, but punishment does have a use. So it would be hikma what would allows us to discard punishment where fireness would be better and to apply punishment where it would be more appropriate.

            Salaam

            "Hikma, I understand, is the capacity to use knowledge properly"

            And how did you come to this understanding?

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              Zulf
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              "Hikma, I understand, is the capacity to use knowledge properly"

              And how did you come to this understanding?

              I feel that this understanding is very sensible. Having knowledge but using it improperly, is anything but wise. What huruf also is saying (if I'm not mistaken... she can tell us) is that "using knowledge properly" implies that we use the knowledge for the good, constructive and positive ends, in a deliberate and conscious way.

              Having knowledge, but being ignorant about how things (cause and effect) are connected, will result in random outcomes, some excellent, some good, some bad, some disastrous... it's like a gamble when we cannot foresee the results of our actions. This is ignorance, and thus not wisdom.

              Having knowledge, and being able to foresee the outcomes of one's actions, but only using it for one's own gain and benefit... is selfish and destructive and against the system of nature/God. Although perhaps intelligent (in an IQ sense) it would not be called wise.

              So, having knowledge, and being able to foresee the consequences of acting upon this knowledge, and then applying it in the best ways to maximize benefit for all involved, would be called wise.

              Peace

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                Zulf
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                probably, higher than lessons, there is "reasons". the Why ?

                Absolutely! The purpose/function is often forgotten, and people can only see the shape/form. Especially in religion. Religion seem to me to be all about form, and nothing about reason, function and purpose. Without the reason/function, the whole spirit is gone and it all becomes empty, useless and a wasteful play.

                it seems to me that there is many hidden things/secrets in quran. A book with multiple entries.

                .... and those secrets will be revealed as we grow in understanding/maturity/purity. And of course, this has nothing to do with scholarship.

                Peace

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                  I feel that this understanding is very sensible. Having knowledge but using it improperly, is anything but wise. What huruf also is saying (if I'm not mistaken... she can tell us) is that "using knowledge properly" implies that we use the knowledge for the good, constructive and positive ends, in a deliberate and conscious way.

                  Having knowledge, but being ignorant about how things (cause and effect) are connected, will result in random outcomes, some excellent, some good, some bad, some disastrous... it's like a gamble when we cannot foresee the results of our actions. This is ignorance, and thus not wisdom.

                  Having knowledge, and being able to foresee the outcomes of one's actions, but only using it for one's own gain and benefit... is selfish and destructive and against the system of nature/God. Although perhaps intelligent (in an IQ sense) it would not be called wise.

                  So, having knowledge, and being able to foresee the consequences of acting upon this knowledge, and then applying it in the best ways to maximize benefit for all involved, would be called wise.

                  Peace

                  I asked a specific question - how are you defining Hikmah - where from? Sources?

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                    Zulf
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                    I asked a specific question - how are you defining Hikmah - where from? Sources?

                    I know. Let's wait for her answer.
                    Peace

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                      I feel that this understanding is very sensible. Having knowledge but using it improperly, is anything but wise. What huruf also is saying (if I'm not mistaken... she can tell us) is that "using knowledge properly" implies that we use the knowledge for the good, constructive and positive ends, in a deliberate and conscious way.

                      Having knowledge, but being ignorant about how things (cause and effect) are connected, will result in random outcomes, some excellent, some good, some bad, some disastrous... it's like a gamble when we cannot foresee the results of our actions. This is ignorance, and thus not wisdom.

                      Having knowledge, and being able to foresee the outcomes of one's actions, but only using it for one's own gain and benefit... is selfish and destructive and against the system of nature/God. Although perhaps intelligent (in an IQ sense) it would not be called wise.

                      So, having knowledge, and being able to foresee the consequences of acting upon this knowledge, and then applying it in the best ways to maximize benefit for all involved, would be called wise.

                      Peace

                      Salaamun alayka bro,

                      Excellent post!!!
                      In short judge in Allahs way.

                      Salaam,
                      Bender

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                        peace,

                        wisdom is observing with patience the happenings and the result being good. if the happenings you see is bad you have not still attained wisdom.

                        peace.

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                          noshirk
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                          salaam all

                          i thank you for your comments. Thinking about Hikma is certainly a good thing for wisdom.
                          i think however there is something forgotten.
                          Quran clearly says that Hikma is something teached by messengers and anbiyas.

                          However anbiyas cannot teach their own teachings. They would be arbabs (plural of Rabb).

                          Hikma is then neither teaching, neither science (ilm).
                          Hikma is then probably linked to kind of methodology showing how to deal with such a things

                          so let ask the question in another way
                          How can a nabi teach hikma ?

                          Peace

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                            Conclude My Favour/Grace/boon like the obliging beneficence that We sent among you as a Messenger who has been a perpetual Monotheist Believer-Muslim amongst you.

                            He recites word by word-syllable by syllable to you people Our Aa'ya'at unitary verbal passages of the Book conveying information and facts.

                            And he intellectually uplifts-sanctifies you people removes shackles of conjectural myths- distortions in belief.

                            And he educates you to read and write the recited text imparting the knowledge of the Book; and he teaches you to attain the wisdom-capability to perceive information about invisible realities.

                            Realize it; he the Messenger Muhammad imparts you the information-knowledge which hitherto you did not have.

                            http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Tabweeb%20Part%202/001.%20Roots%20originating%20in%20Surat%20002/2.032/1.Hakimo%20Ha%20Kaaf%20Meem/3.gif Noun Definite; singular; feminine; Accusative. This denotes the wisdom; the faculty and capability to perceive the invisible information/data; differentiate and delineate between conjecture and fact, falsity and truth. It is the reading that exposes people to the accumulated wisdom of human civilization.

                            Translation after grammatical parsing of sentences 2151

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                              DrGm
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                              How can a nabi teach hikma ?

                              Peace

                              peace,

                              he observes what is intuited in his heart. he verifies it in his life. he then teaches the believers how to observe the intuition in their heart and verify it in their life. the more they observe, the more pious and god-fearing they become, they feel the nearness of God, their Lord.

                              peace.

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                                Peace,

                                Wisdom is the ability to "see" and discern what is correct, best, sensible, for the wise one "understands",
                                concludes, from "experience" and "knowledge" what is "truth" that endures and what ultimately brings
                                "enlightenment" and peace.

                                James 15
                                5 If any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask God, who gives generously to all without reproach, and it will be given him.

                                God bless

                                peace

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                                  Man_of_Faith
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                                  Seek His Nearness and Guidance and protection from the evil one and his followers.

                                  Peace

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                                    Israfeel
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                                    Hikmah is the Sunnah. But those whose hearts are blinded will never see.

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                                      Zulf
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                                      Hikmah is the Sunnah. But those whose hearts are blinded will never see.

                                      ...so wisdom is to eat with the right hand, to shave the genitals and mustache but let the beard grow uncontrolled, to wear green/black/white turbans, wear shortened pants (or shove them into the socks) and to sit squatted while drinking water??? And whomever does not necessarily find this to be wisdom, has a blind heart??? rotfl rotfl

                                      Sorry, this post of mine was very useless and not constructive at all... but I was weak and wrote it anyway. Apologies.
                                      Peace

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                                        ...so wisdom is to eat with the right hand, to shave the genitals and mustache but let the beard grow uncontrolled, to wear green/black/white turbans, wear shortened pants (or shove them into the socks) and to sit squatted while drinking water??? And whomever does not necessarily find this to be wisdom, has a blind heart??? rotfl rotfl

                                        Sorry, this post of mine was very useless and not constructive at all... but I was weak and wrote it anyway. Apologies.
                                        Peace

                                        Yes it is wisdom to eat with the right hand, since you cleanse yourself after answering the call of nature with your left hand.

                                        Unless the Hadith-rejecters eat with the same hand they use to cleanse themselves after answering the call of nature?? rotfl

                                        And yes it is wisdom to shave your pubic hair, armpit hair and your mustache. That is basic hygiene taught by Islam and its actually common sense. A big mustache means hair will get into your lips and mouth which is not hygienic. This is beautiful Wisdom!

                                        May Allah grant you the blessing to accept His beautiful wisdom and the beautiful wisdom of his Pure Prophet. Ameen

                                        (p.s. Hadith-rejecters do not believe in saying 'Ameen' with prayers)

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                                          Hikmah is a wisdom written in the Quran.

                                          -2.269 AL Hikmah also a blessing from Quranic God for some choosen people to understand Quran ( until they create some confused theories in some boards rotfl )

                                          Peace

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