I am God / Allah
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This is how we become God . . by becoming "0" and servant of Allah . .
1 (God) + 0 (human) = 1 (God) = Absolute Obedience = Creating God in ourselves
and what Allah want from us ?
Our happiness . . . living together in peace and harmony
These are the proof . . .
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(no one could reach all these planets, and therefore . . Allah makes all these planets just to make us happy looking at the stars)
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Allah like beauties, sounds and musics, arts etc . . . and Allah make all these things just to make us happy . . .
Allah serve us but do we serve Allah the way Allah serve all living creatures (regardless of religions, etc)?
Do we fulfil our promise and answer peoples' prayers?
human beings are corruptor . . .
Furthermore
Your beliefs - as defined above - seem to reflect Pantheism
"Pantheism is the belief that the universe (or nature as the totality of everything) is identical with divinity, or that everything composes an all-encompassing, immanent God. Pantheists thus do not believe in a distinct personal or anthropomorphic god. Eastern religions are often considered to be pantheistically inclined."
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pantheism
http//plato.stanford.edu/entries/pantheism/Now - you appear to be very unwilling to discussions that lead to something about yourself and your background. But you are not the 1st have such thoughts!
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We do not and cannot become God.
Read again, and spell out what is my conclusion of becoming God?
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9606172.msg346140#msg346140
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9606172.msg346146#msg346146Allah is the Light of the heavens and the earth. (24.35)
and why do angels prostrate to Adam?
Isn't it supposed to associate Adam with Allah?
Huh?
"Allah has not made for a man two hearts in his interior. And He has not made your wives whom you declare unlawful your mothers. And he has not made your adopted sons your sons. That is your saying by your mouths, but Allah says the truth, and He guides to the way."
How does this equal to God? Please clarify what you are saying.
Huh? You didn't notice that the statement is in wrong paragraph?
That it belongs to the previous paragraph?
You are the expert right? confused
O Prophet, fear Allah and do not obey the disbelievers and the hypocrites.
Indeed, Allah is ever Knowing and Wise.And
follow that which is revealed to you from your Lord.
Indeed Allah is ever, with what you do, Acquainted.And
rely upon Allah ; and sufficient is Allah as Disposer of affairs. <- paragraph 3
Allah has not made for a man two hearts in his interior. <- paragraph 4And
He has not made your wives whom you declare unlawful your mothers.
And
he has not made your adopted sons your sons.
That is your saying by your mouths, but Allah says the truth, and He guides to the (right) way.
(333-4)But Allah is NOT us. He is everything that infinite and everlasting. We are not that - so we are nothing and he is everything.
"Everything is Allah"
I agree with that - what I do NOT agree is that we are part of everything. We are not. We are nothing.
How do you know this? Where in the Quran?
Read again, I'm not going to repeat for the third time.
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9606172.msg346140#msg346140
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9606172.msg346146#msg346146 -
Your beliefs - as defined above - seem to reflect Pantheism
That's how a sectarian defined people . . .
He has plainly clarified the same way of life which He enjoined on Noah, Abraham, Moses and Jesus.
Perform the prescribed way of life and no sectarianism
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Read again, and spell out what is my conclusion of becoming God?
Allah is the Light of the heavens and the earth. (24.35)
and why do angels prostrate to Adam?
Isn't it supposed to associate Adam with Allah?
No it isn't/wasn't. Adam is creation of Allah.
"O mankind, worship your Lord, who created you and those before you, that you may become righteous -"
" who made for you the earth a bed and the sky a ceiling and sent down from the sky, rain and brought forth thereby fruits as provision for you. So do not attribute to Allah equals while you know ."
It was about obedience and the difference between Angels - how they obey. And Satan - how he went astray - it was lesson for Adam and for the rest of mankind.
Read
"And , when your Lord said to the angels, "Indeed, I will make upon the earth a successive authority." They said, "Will You place upon it one who causes corruption therein and sheds blood, while we declare Your praise and sanctify You?" Allah said, "Indeed, I know that which you do not know."
"And He taught Adam the names - all of them. Then He showed them to the angels and said, "Inform Me of the names of these, if you are truthful.""
"They said, "Exalted are You; we have no knowledge except what You have taught us. Indeed, it is You who is the Knowing, the Wise.""
"He said, "O Adam, inform them of their names." And when he had informed them of their names, He said, "Did I not tell you that I know the unseen of the heavens and the earth? And I know what you reveal and what you have concealed.""
"And when We said to the angels, "Prostrate before Adam"; so they prostrated, except for Iblees. He refused and was arrogant and became of the disbelievers."
Now read this
"And We said, "O Adam, dwell, you and your wife, in Paradise and eat therefrom in abundance from wherever you will. But do not approach this tree, lest you be among the wrongdoers.""
"But Satan caused them to slip out of it and removed them from that in which they had been. And We said, "Go down, , as enemies to one another, and you will have upon the earth a place of settlement and provision for a time.""
"Then Adam received from his Lord words, and He accepted his repentance. Indeed, it is He who is the Accepting of repentance, the Merciful."
See what this is about? The it the the difference between Satan and Adam. He digressed and went on to mislead other. Prophet Adam slipped - he became repentant.
And please notice - Angels and not other humans were asked to bow to Adam.
Huh? You didn't notice that the statement is in wrong paragraph?
That it belongs to the previous paragraph?
You are the expert right?
There it is again! Unnecessary attitude from you!
I asked you to clarify and you are plain rude. Why?
Now you have rendered this meaningless - rather than explaining this - you went with the attitude!
Read again, I'm not going to repeat for the third time.
I have read and answered. I take it you are resorting to playing silly games . . .as you cannot answer.
Saying read again does NOT help you out. What you have written earlier does not explain it either - as WHAT you have written before is the thing being questioned. So referring back to that is not helpful.
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That's how a sectarian defined people . . .
He has plainly clarified the same way of life which He enjoined on Noah, Abraham, Moses and Jesus.
Perform the prescribed way of life and no sectarianism
(42.13)What are you harping about now?
Also - here is the full verse
"He has ordained for you of religion what He enjoined upon Noah and that which We have revealed to you, , and what We enjoined upon Abraham and Moses and Jesus - to establish the religion and not be divided therein. Difficult for those who associate others with Allah is that to which you invite them. Allah chooses for Himself whom He wills and guides to Himself whoever turns back ."
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So . . . you read and understand on the issue of what does it really mean of becoming God?
No it isn't/wasn't. Adam is creation of Allah.
The facts are they prostrate to other than Allah. . .
and Iblees prostrate only to Allah (Allah Alone? By God? Bigot?)
Angels prostrate to Allah and Adam
and what is Allah commands ? To prostrate to everything and creating balance?
God commands justice
CREATING BALANCE in the society
benefiting humanity <- about religion?
kindness to His creation <- all living creatures, regardless of religions etc
and giving to relatives
(16.90)Do you prostrate or opposing justice based which group you belongs today?
What are you harping about now?
Also - here is the full verse
"He has ordained for you of religion what He enjoined upon Noah and that which We have revealed to you, , and what We enjoined upon Abraham and Moses and Jesus - to establish the religion and not be divided therein. Difficult for those who associate others with Allah is that to which you invite them. Allah chooses for Himself whom He wills and guides to Himself whoever turns back ."
Islam (peacemaking) is attitude, and attitude does not need religion . . .
It is in every human beings etc . . regardless of religions etc
So as Allah , does not need religion . . .
Only human beings need religions (faulty of generalization, sectarianism, opposing justice, corruptors, idolaters) . .
to make sure humanity is divided so that they can control the masses and make money
and those who obey them . . . are the associators, idolaters, who equate others with Allah
They have taken their scholars and monks as lords besides Allah (9.31)
Say, "Bring forward your witnesses
who will testify <- including inconsistent hadith
that Allah has prohibited this."And if they testify
DO NOT testify with them
And DO NOT follow the desires
of those who deny Our verses
and those who do not believe in the Hereafter
while they equate with their Lord -
Whether need to believe Allah to be a Muslim?
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9606111.0From the above premises (4914-17)... I believe, a Muslim... does not necessarily means be the Muslims we know today, and provided always .. they don't believe in identifiable God, ie. idolaters and an upright man.
comparison
Who is Muhammad?
I believe he is the most righteous person ever lived . . . and a True Believer
And indeed, you (Muhammad)
are of a great moral character
(684)But and even if he believe in Allah . . .
. . . recite shahada perfectfully
. . . knows and speaks well in arabic
. . . perform salah
. . . pray in mosque
. . . pray every night to Allah
. . . perform hajj
. . . fasting for his entire life
. . . dzikr.. and never say bad things about people
. . . pay zakat and sadaqah all his property in the cause of Allah
. . . go to jihad and sacrifice himself to Allah
. . . study carefully all the revelations...
. . . and... bla... bla... bla...
. . . you name it, as one of the most righteous person ever lived...He will not be a Muslim if disobey one "simple prohibition" not to eat that on which Allah's name has not been mentioned
And DO NOT eat
of that on which Allah's name has not been mentioned
and that is most surely a transgression
and most surely the Shaitans suggest to their friends
that they should contend with youand if you obey them
you (Muhammad) shall most surely be polytheists <- ie. not a Muslim
(6121)Because Allah says "DO NOT" ! !
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So . . . you read and understand on the issue of what does it really mean of becoming God?
Your version - yes. But I disagree. Man is not God. Now - what you describe we should be doing - that is fine. But saying man is god - or become god - is completely wrong.
Almighty has already given that. Man is simply his vicegerent.
So how do you get to man becoming god from the Quran?
The facts are they prostrate to other than Allah. . .
and Iblees only prostrate to Allah
Angels prostrate to Allah and Adam
Yes. In that instance - direct command of the Almighty. There is no such command anymore towards humans.
and what is Allah commands ? To prostrate to everything and creating balance?
God commands justice
CREATING BALANCE in the society
benefiting humanity <- about religion?
kindness to His creation <- all living creatures, regardless of religions etc
and giving to relatives
(16.90)Do you prostrate or opposing justice based which group you belongs today?
Let us look at what the verse 1690 says
"Indeed, Allah orders justice and good conduct and giving to relatives and forbids immorality and bad conduct and oppression. He admonishes you that perhaps you will be reminded."
There is not even a hint of Sajdah here.
Islam is attitude, and attitude does not need religion . . .
Source? Base of saying this?
So as Allah , does not need religion . . .
Of course not - we the humans need it.
It is a pity you have not answered any further. Okay - we will park it there for now.
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Your version - yes. But I disagree. Man is not God. Now - what you describe we should be doing - that is fine. But saying man is god - or become god - is completely wrong.
Then you did not read or did understand the conclusion .
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9606172.msg346140#msg346140
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9606172.msg346146#msg346146and becoming God (ie. creating God in ourselves)
One who reach "0" can never become God . . because they are "0"
Allah has not made for a man two hearts in his interior. (33.4) <- no heart, all is given to Allah
How can "0" becoming something ?
What do people see, hear and feel when they become "0" ?
however . . they are God because they are "0" . . because they witness Allah in their own way
This is how we become God . . by becoming "0" and servant of Allah . .
1 (God) + 0 (human) = 1 (God) = Absolute Obedience = Creating God in ourselves
They created God in themselves, because 1 + 0 = 1
ie. Allah will protect them wherever they are, and they do have the powers . .
This is Allah's promise and Allah never lies.
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Nope . . I'm proving to you this fake religion of Islam that value sectarianism and oppressing justice
Islam is about serve others, regardless of religions etc
Serve others - up to a point as fellow humans. Else - Quran has made the difference between believers and non-believers. And, unfortunately, Sects seems to be an unavoidable evil.
Look at what you say . . . as soon as you start calling others fake and yourself true . . . well - that is how it all starts!
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You mean the corrupted translation/understanding of Believer?
and the corrupted translation/understanding of Muslim?
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9606172.msg346154#msg346154
and I am being a sectarian, according to the Quran . .
ie. based on two categories of people, justice vs. injustice, regardless of religions etc.
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The fallacy of faulty generalization (religion)
A faulty generalization is a conclusion about all or many instances of a phenomenon that has been reached on the basis of just one or just a few instances of (injustice) that phenomenon. It is an example of jumping to conclusions. For example, we may generalize about all people, or all members of a group, based on what we know about just one or just a few people.
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faulty_generalization
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Then you did not read or did understand the conclusion .
I read. I understood. I asked you questions over it - and you did not answer them. So this accusation is disingenuous and hollow.
I have already pointed the problem - you did not answer. So why are you point to this again? If you have not answered the questions?
There is no Allah alone because Allah is "everything" !
How can someone be Allah Alone when Allah is "ONE" ? (everything)
I asked after this. How did you jump from Allah is one to everything - and declaring we are part of Everything. No we are not. We are nothing.
or maybe 0 is 1 . . 1 + 0 = 1 = God)
Allah has not made for a man two hearts in his interior (334) = God ?
I said this does not make sense at all - no answer. I asked you to explain more. Not much of an answer.
What really matter Allah is everything . . equally, Allah Alone should mean to serve everything . .
"everything" is "Allah Alone"
I have asked after this. Not much of an answer. Now - I have already said. Allah is everything. That is fine. "We" his creation are NOT in this everything.
and becoming God (ie. creating God in ourselves)
This is unique to you. We cannot "create" God in our self. Impossible. If find the notion ridiculous. What does it mean? How did you get there? It is not in the Quran. Else - where?
One who reach "0" can never become God . . because they are "0"
This doesn't mean anything.
Allah has not made for a man two hearts in his interior. (33.4) <- no heart, all is given to Allah
All what? The heart?
How can "0" becoming something ?
It cannot.
This is how we become God . . by becoming "0" and servant of Allah . .
1 (God) + 0 (human) = 1 (God) = Absolute Obedience = Creating God in ourselves
Sorry - but I find that to be nonsense which you made up. It has no validity from the Quran - no basis whatsoever. Please - stop repeating your self and answer . . . how does this relate to Quran?
You made this up!
Obeying God does not mean - you create God in yourself.
They created God in themselves, because 1 + 0 = 1
ie. Allah will protect them wherever they are, and they do have the powers . .
This is Allah's promise and Allah never lies.
Where is Allah saying - create God within yourself? Where?
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You mean the corrupted translation of Believer?
and the corrupted translation of Muslim?
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9606172.msg346154#msg346154
and I am being a sectarian, according to the Quran . .
ie. based on two categories of people, justice vs. injustice, regardless of religions etc.
So - for yourself you have find a convenient excuse! How nice. . . Finally, others are corrupted and you are not!
How nice for you!
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The fallacy of faulty generalization (religion)
A faulty generalization is a conclusion about all or many instances of a phenomenon that has been reached on the basis of just one or just a few instances of (injustice) that phenomenon. It is an example of jumping to conclusions. For example, we may generalize about all people, or all members of a group, based on what we know about just one or just a few people.
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faulty_generalization
Again this is make-belief and load of nonsense. Religion is not about "Faulty Generalization" as you bizarrely claim. Else, prove it! Do not just claim it. . . prove it.
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Allah is one to everything - and declaring we are part of Everything. No we are not. We are nothing.
We are nothing, that's why we are One
1 + 0 = 1
and it is One who answers to peoples' prayers etc . . ie. our duty, the Khalifa (law of causation)
e.g some illustration and of course, far from being accurate . . just for some thoughts
sun and the sunlight . .
a likeness of Allah (sun, 1)
and the sunlight (creation, 0) . .the sunlight never exists (0) . . even if you can feel the heat and believe it exists
however, only the sun exists (1)prove http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqnEGu8VF8Y
Where is Allah saying - create God within yourself? Where?
Allah has not made for a man two hearts in his interior. (33.4)
Only one heart, and it is for Allah.
1 + 0 = 1
Say, "Indeed, my prayer, my rites of sacrifice, my living and my dying are for Allah , Lord of the worlds. (6.162(
1 + 0 = 1
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605837.msg338423#msg338423
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605837.msg338372#msg338372and
I have explained, and you cannot understand . . and you will not understand, maybe forever.
or vice versa, I cannot understand your belief . . forever.
Either way, there is no one can make any of us to understand what we are not supposed to understand.
Whatever it is , those who submit and communicate with the Sunnatullah will understand
And you cannot guide the blind away from their error
You will only make hear those who believe in Our verses
so they are Muslims
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Else, prove it! Do not just claim it. . . prove it.
Can you say that all practices in Buddhism is injustice?
Can you say that all practices in Christianity is injustice?
Can you say that all practices in Judaism is injustice?
Can you say that all practices in Hinduism is injustice?
Can you say that all practices in all religions are injustice?
Only the Religion of Islam is justice to the humanity
and . . .
Can you say that Allah is opposing justice?
This is my prove . . that Religion of Islam (sectarianism) is the opposite of the Deen of Islam (peacemaking).
More prove? . . look at Islam itself . . . how many denominations?
By God
Bigot
Bigotism
Sectarianism
And whoever seeks a "dnan" (ا other than Islam <- ie. not religion of Islam, but Deen of Islam
it will NEVER be accepted of him
and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers
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And We have revealed to you
the Book in truth
confirming that which preceded it of the Scripture
and as a criterion over it
So judge between them by what Allah has revealed
and do not follow their inclinations away from what has come to you of the truthTo each of you
We prescribed a law and a methodHad Allah willed
He would have made you one nationbut to test you in what He has given you
so race to good
To Allah is your return all together
and He will inform you concerning that over which you used to differ
(5.4