I am God / Allah

muslims

Whether need to believe Allah to be a Muslim?
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9606111.0

From the above premises (4914-17)... I believe, a Muslim... does not necessarily means be the Muslims we know today, and provided always .. they don't believe in identifiable God, ie. idolaters and an upright man.

comparison

Who is Muhammad?

I believe he is the most righteous person ever lived . . . and a True Believer

And indeed, you (Muhammad)
are of a great moral character
(684)

But and even if he believe in Allah . . .

. . . recite shahada perfectfully
. . . knows and speaks well in arabic
. . . perform salah
. . . pray in mosque
. . . pray every night to Allah
. . . perform hajj
. . . fasting for his entire life
. . . dzikr.. and never say bad things about people
. . . pay zakat and sadaqah all his property in the cause of Allah
. . . go to jihad and sacrifice himself to Allah
. . . study carefully all the revelations...
. . . and... bla... bla... bla...
. . . you name it, as one of the most righteous person ever lived...

He will not be a Muslim if disobey one "simple prohibition" not to eat that on which Allah's name has not been mentioned

And DO NOT eat

of that on which Allah's name has not been mentioned
and that is most surely a transgression
and most surely the Shaitans suggest to their friends
that they should contend with you

and if you obey them

you (Muhammad) shall most surely be polytheists <- ie. not a Muslim
(6121)

Because Allah says "DO NOT" ! !

The_Chimp

So . . . you read and understand on the issue of what does it really mean of becoming God?

Your version - yes. But I disagree. Man is not God. Now - what you describe we should be doing - that is fine. But saying man is god - or become god - is completely wrong.

Almighty has already given that. Man is simply his vicegerent.

So how do you get to man becoming god from the Quran?

The facts are they prostrate to other than Allah. . .

and Iblees only prostrate to Allah

Angels prostrate to Allah and Adam

Yes. In that instance - direct command of the Almighty. There is no such command anymore towards humans.

and what is Allah commands ? To prostrate to everything and creating balance?

God commands justice
CREATING BALANCE in the society
benefiting humanity <- about religion?
kindness to His creation <- all living creatures, regardless of religions etc
and giving to relatives
(16.90)

Do you prostrate or opposing justice based which group you belongs today?

Let us look at what the verse 1690 says

"Indeed, Allah orders justice and good conduct and giving to relatives and forbids immorality and bad conduct and oppression. He admonishes you that perhaps you will be reminded."

There is not even a hint of Sajdah here.

Islam is attitude, and attitude does not need religion . . .

Source? Base of saying this?

So as Allah , does not need religion . . .

Of course not - we the humans need it.

It is a pity you have not answered any further. Okay - we will park it there for now.

The_Chimp

Whether need to believe Allah to be a Muslim?
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9606111.0

comparison

offtopic

muslims

Nope . . I'm proving to you this fake religion of Islam that value sectarianism and oppressing justice

They are, so as other oppressors of justice . . the criminals

Islam is about serve others, regardless of religions etc

muslims

Your version - yes. But I disagree. Man is not God. Now - what you describe we should be doing - that is fine. But saying man is god - or become god - is completely wrong.

Then you did not read or did understand the conclusion .

http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9606172.msg346140#msg346140
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9606172.msg346146#msg346146

and becoming God (ie. creating God in ourselves)

One who reach "0" can never become God . . because they are "0"

Allah has not made for a man two hearts in his interior. (33.4) <- no heart, all is given to Allah

How can "0" becoming something ?

What do people see, hear and feel when they become "0" ?

however . . they are God because they are "0" . . because they witness Allah in their own way

This is how we become God . . by becoming "0" and servant of Allah . .

1 (God) + 0 (human) = 1 (God) = Absolute Obedience = Creating God in ourselves

They created God in themselves, because 1 + 0 = 1

ie. Allah will protect them wherever they are, and they do have the powers . .

This is Allah's promise and Allah never lies.

The_Chimp

Nope . . I'm proving to you this fake religion of Islam that value sectarianism and oppressing justice

Islam is about serve others, regardless of religions etc

Serve others - up to a point as fellow humans. Else - Quran has made the difference between believers and non-believers. And, unfortunately, Sects seems to be an unavoidable evil.

Look at what you say . . . as soon as you start calling others fake and yourself true . . . well - that is how it all starts!

muslims

You mean the corrupted translation/understanding of Believer?

and the corrupted translation/understanding of Muslim?

http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9606172.msg346154#msg346154

and I am being a sectarian, according to the Quran . .

ie. based on two categories of people, justice vs. injustice, regardless of religions etc.

muslims

The fallacy of faulty generalization (religion)

A faulty generalization is a conclusion about all or many instances of a phenomenon that has been reached on the basis of just one or just a few instances of (injustice) that phenomenon. It is an example of jumping to conclusions. For example, we may generalize about all people, or all members of a group, based on what we know about just one or just a few people.

http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faulty_generalization

The_Chimp

Then you did not read or did understand the conclusion .

I read. I understood. I asked you questions over it - and you did not answer them. So this accusation is disingenuous and hollow.

I have already pointed the problem - you did not answer. So why are you point to this again? If you have not answered the questions?

There is no Allah alone because Allah is "everything" !

How can someone be Allah Alone when Allah is "ONE" ? (everything)

I asked after this. How did you jump from Allah is one to everything - and declaring we are part of Everything. No we are not. We are nothing.

or maybe 0 is 1 . . 1 + 0 = 1 = God)

Allah has not made for a man two hearts in his interior (334) = God ?

I said this does not make sense at all - no answer. I asked you to explain more. Not much of an answer.

What really matter Allah is everything . . equally, Allah Alone should mean to serve everything . .

"everything" is "Allah Alone"

I have asked after this. Not much of an answer. Now - I have already said. Allah is everything. That is fine. "We" his creation are NOT in this everything.

and becoming God (ie. creating God in ourselves)

This is unique to you. We cannot "create" God in our self. Impossible. If find the notion ridiculous. What does it mean? How did you get there? It is not in the Quran. Else - where?

One who reach "0" can never become God . . because they are "0"

This doesn't mean anything.

Allah has not made for a man two hearts in his interior. (33.4) <- no heart, all is given to Allah

All what? The heart?

How can "0" becoming something ?

It cannot.

This is how we become God . . by becoming "0" and servant of Allah . .

1 (God) + 0 (human) = 1 (God) = Absolute Obedience = Creating God in ourselves

Sorry - but I find that to be nonsense which you made up. It has no validity from the Quran - no basis whatsoever. Please - stop repeating your self and answer . . . how does this relate to Quran?

You made this up!

Obeying God does not mean - you create God in yourself.

They created God in themselves, because 1 + 0 = 1

ie. Allah will protect them wherever they are, and they do have the powers . .

This is Allah's promise and Allah never lies.

Where is Allah saying - create God within yourself? Where?

The_Chimp

You mean the corrupted translation of Believer?

and the corrupted translation of Muslim?

http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9606172.msg346154#msg346154

and I am being a sectarian, according to the Quran . .

ie. based on two categories of people, justice vs. injustice, regardless of religions etc.

So - for yourself you have find a convenient excuse! How nice. . . Finally, others are corrupted and you are not!

How nice for you!

The_Chimp

The fallacy of faulty generalization (religion)

A faulty generalization is a conclusion about all or many instances of a phenomenon that has been reached on the basis of just one or just a few instances of (injustice) that phenomenon. It is an example of jumping to conclusions. For example, we may generalize about all people, or all members of a group, based on what we know about just one or just a few people.

http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faulty_generalization

Again this is make-belief and load of nonsense. Religion is not about "Faulty Generalization" as you bizarrely claim. Else, prove it! Do not just claim it. . . prove it.

muslims

Allah is one to everything - and declaring we are part of Everything. No we are not. We are nothing.

We are nothing, that's why we are One

1 + 0 = 1

and it is One who answers to peoples' prayers etc . . ie. our duty, the Khalifa (law of causation)

e.g some illustration and of course, far from being accurate . . just for some thoughts

sun and the sunlight . .
a likeness of Allah (sun, 1)
and the sunlight (creation, 0) . .

the sunlight never exists (0) . . even if you can feel the heat and believe it exists
however, only the sun exists (1)

prove http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqnEGu8VF8Y

Where is Allah saying - create God within yourself? Where?

Allah has not made for a man two hearts in his interior. (33.4)

Only one heart, and it is for Allah.

1 + 0 = 1

Say, "Indeed, my prayer, my rites of sacrifice, my living and my dying are for Allah , Lord of the worlds. (6.162(

1 + 0 = 1

http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605837.msg338423#msg338423
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605837.msg338372#msg338372

and

I have explained, and you cannot understand . . and you will not understand, maybe forever.

or vice versa, I cannot understand your belief . . forever.

Either way, there is no one can make any of us to understand what we are not supposed to understand.

Whatever it is , those who submit and communicate with the Sunnatullah will understand

And you cannot guide the blind away from their error
You will only make hear those who believe in Our verses
so they are Muslims
(6.162)

muslims

Else, prove it! Do not just claim it. . . prove it.

Can you say that all practices in Buddhism is injustice?

Can you say that all practices in Christianity is injustice?

Can you say that all practices in Judaism is injustice?

Can you say that all practices in Hinduism is injustice?

Can you say that all practices in all religions are injustice?

Only the Religion of Islam is justice to the humanity

and . . .

Can you say that Allah is opposing justice?

This is my prove . . that Religion of Islam (sectarianism) is the opposite of the Deen of Islam (peacemaking).

More prove? . . look at Islam itself . . . how many denominations?

By God

Bigot

Bigotism

Sectarianism

And whoever seeks a "dnan" (&#1575 other than Islam <- ie. not religion of Islam, but Deen of Islam
it will NEVER be accepted of him
and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers
(385)

muslims

And We have revealed to you
the Book in truth
confirming that which preceded it of the Scripture
and as a criterion over it
So judge between them by what Allah has revealed
and do not follow their inclinations away from what has come to you of the truth

To each of you
We prescribed a law and a method

Had Allah willed
He would have made you one nation

but to test you in what He has given you

so race to good
To Allah is your return all together
and He will inform you concerning that over which you used to differ
(5.4

The_Chimp

We are nothing, that's why we are One

By what kind of logic did you get from "nothing" to One? Nothing here means nothing . . . in the sense that Almighty is Eternal. We are not. He is unique - uncreated - and one. We are not.

So we are not one.

e.g some illustration and of course, far from being accurate . . just for some thoughts

sun and the sunlight . .
a likeness of Allah (sun, 1)
and the sunlight (creation, 0) . .

the sunlight never exists (0) . . even if you can feel the heat and believe it exists
however, only the sun exists (1)

prove http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqnEGu8VF8Y

So you are basing this on a video? Which you clearly do not understand. I am asking about the Quran and you present this?

Of course Sunlight exists if the Sun exists - it is "Sunlight is a portion of the electromagnetic radiation given off by the Sun, in particular infrared, visible, and ultraviolet light."

We already know that Sunlight and Sun exist. Wrong analogy, pal.

Allah has not made for a man two hearts in his interior. (33.4)

Only one heart, and it is for Allah.

Saying this does mean you create "God" within you. I think you best layoff YouTube videos that you clearly do not understand. Helpful advice.
That is NOT what the verse is saying. One can have love of the Almighty and not create God within it. The notion is ridiculous.

I have explained, and you cannot understand . . and you will not understand, maybe forever.

Yeah that is true. I think you have been listening to something and have created your own understanding. I doubt if anyone will understand you . . .

Either way, there is no one can make any of us to understand what we are not supposed to understand.

Whatever it is , those who submit and communicate with the Sunnatullah will understand

And you cannot guide the blind away from their error
You will only make hear those who believe in Our verses
so they are Muslims
(6.162)

Oh - the ugly sectarianism raising its head up again . . . of course it always others that are misled . . . an not you!

sun

Flower . . . I think you live in a world all on your own . . . a galaxy far, far away.

The_Chimp

Can you say that all practices in Buddhism is injustice?

Can you say that all practices in Christianity is injustice?

Can you say that all practices in Judaism is injustice?

Can you say that all practices in Hinduism is injustice?

Can you say that all practices in all religions are injustice?

Only the Religion of Islam is justice to the humanity

and . . .

Can you say that Allah is opposing justice?

This is my prove . . that Religion of Islam (sectarianism) is the opposite of Deen of Islam (peacemaking).

More prove? . . look at Islam itself . . . how many denominations?

By God

Bigot

Bigotism

Sectarianism

Sorry - but how is this proving that "religion" is "generalization"? This is contrary to the Quran

"Indeed, the religion in the sight of Allah is Islam. And those who were given the Scripture did not differ except after knowledge had come to them - out of jealous animosity between themselves. And whoever disbelieves in the verses of Allah , then indeed, Allah is swift in account."

As to your above list - all of the above ARE injustice - in the sense that if they do not believe in One God.

This is my prove . . that Religion of Islam (sectarianism) is the opposite of Deen of Islam (peacemaking).

More prove? . . look at Islam itself . . . how many denominations?

So you have trouble between "religion" and "sect". Look at your own quote - it is confused. On one hand you say Islam is sect then you say it is religion.

The trouble is - you do not really know what logic is and how it works. The fallacy generalization is something completely different.

The_Chimp

And We have revealed to you
the Book in truth
confirming that which preceded it of the Scripture
and as a criterion over it
So judge between them by what Allah has revealed
and do not follow their inclinations away from what has come to you of the truth

To each of you
We prescribed a law and a method

Had Allah willed
He would have made you one nation

but to test you in what He has given you

so race to good
To Allah is your return all together
and He will inform you concerning that over which you used to differ
(5.4

So what are you saying by this? That "Islam" is not the only religion? And that Christianity and others today have validity? Then that is incorrect.

muslims

By what kind of logic did you get from "nothing" to One?

and by what logic did you get 1 + 0 = 10 ?

So you are basing this on a video? Which you clearly do not understand. I am asking about the Quran and you present this?

Of course Sunlight exists if the Sun exists - it is "Sunlight is a portion of the electromagnetic radiation given off by the Sun, in particular infrared, visible, and ultraviolet light."

We already know that Sunlight and Sun exist. Wrong analogy, pal.

It is still an atom . . matter

Prove your own existence . . . as an Ahad !

Don't just say it. . prove it!

If you cannot, then don't claim absolute truth since the proof have been presented to you . . simple.

and . .

Don't just ignored every evidence that I gave and then came up with new questions.

Counter every arguments I make in this thread . . make a counter argument and came up with proof.

Saying this does mean you create "God" within you.

I give up explaining to you since you are to blind with your self and cannot understand what people are really saying.

People are saying A, you are claiming that people are saying B. giveup

Oh - the ugly sectarianism raising its head up again . . . of course it always others that are misled . . . an not you!

Where do I concern of being right ? Is it important?

What I'm doing is asking for people opinions and testing whether their opinions are solid . .

Whether it is based on true and solid reasoning.

In facts, there are not once I said people are wrong . . unlike you.

I think you live in a world all on your own . . . a galaxy far, far away.

Nothing new . . . and not a proof for truth.

And when Our verses are recited to them as clear evidences,
those who disbelieve say to those who believe
"Which of two parties is best in position and best in association?"
(19.73)

And do not be like she who untwisted her spun thread after it was strong
taking your oaths as deceit between you
because one community is more plentiful than another community.
Allah only tries you thereby.
And He will surely make clear to you on the Day of Resurrection that over which you used to differ.
(16/92)

muslims

As to your above list - all of the above ARE injustice - in the sense that if they do not believe in One God.

Then that is incorrect.

You don't have to say it . . I already knew you would say it is incorrect, based on the Religion of Islam. Crystal clear.

sign of.

http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9606172.msg346154#msg346154

The_Chimp

and by what logic did you get 1 + 0 = 10 ?

Still trying to play games, huh. Look what was asked of you

By what kind of logic did you get from "nothing" to One?

And now look at your response. Rather than answering - you were trying to be "clever" - and in doing so - you manipulated the question . . . so to appear "clever". But this has backfired on you.

No one asked you to add 1 and 0. What was asked

How did you get from Zero to One?

The question stands...

It is still an atom . . matter

Doh!

Ha ha ha ha...

Prove your own existence . . . as an Ahad !

Why should I? I never claimed to be "Ahad"!

Don't just say it. . prove it!

If you cannot, then don't claim absolute truth since the proof have been presented to you . . simple.

This is meaningless rambling and means Zilch.

Don't just ignored every evidence that I gave and then came up with new questions.

Counter every arguments I make in this thread . . make a counter argument and came up with proof.

You did not give "evidence". I am asking about the Quran . . . and you give out YouTube videos - possibly by an Atheist scientist?

You have made up some nonsense. This is why - right at the start - I asked you about Ahad and Samad and their meanings. Until now - you have failed to answer.

I give up explaining to you since you are to blind with your self and cannot understand what people are really saying.

There is no "people" - there is you.

With your made up nonsense. You watched a strange video and have seemingly invented some guff. Now you cannot explain it or prove it from the Quran.

People are saying A, you are claiming that people are saying B. giveup

Where? You have already made one baseless accusation against me. Now this is another.

Where do I concern of being right ? Is it important?

What I'm doing is asking for people opinions and testing whether their opinions are solid . . based on true reasoning.

In facts, there are not once I said people are wrong . . unlike you.

True reasoning? Where did you get that? What true reasoning?

You do not know 2 things about logic. . . so what reasoning are you applying?

In facts, there are not once I said people are wrong . . unlike you.

As for this - your whole spat with "Little Mannie " is a testament against what you claim.

Nothing new . . . and not a proof for truth.

Well, petal . . . look what you have left unanswered.

Go back . . .and either answer or leave it.

You need help! You do not know who you are . . . your name, religion, background, ethnicity, education, nothing. . . and you come up with sill theories!