I am God / Allah

GODsubmitter

Must admit that this is most interesting discussion!

God is One, and the task of a human is to arrive to the understanding of that, because earthlings live in paradox, or duality, ie. 0=2.

Shaitan (Iblees?) is the opponent, ie. the "ego" that prevents peace of total integration & inclusion of totality of all and everything.

Consciousnesses is that which even science is unable to explain & understand, but they are trying, and perhaps humans will arrive to decipher it one day...

To all I give you peace beyond all understanding.

The_Chimp

Well that's was easy . . . at least I don't say 1 + 0 = 10

See - tiny untruths are creeping in . . . no one ever said the above. Why don't you prove it? I never said the above - you did.

The above is a false accusation against me.

You need to change the pattern and starts giving valid reasons because it is boring . . .

argument by repetition and blank denials . .

and yes, you can repeat this over and over for 1,000 of pages . . it is very easy

But this is what you do . . . and you are projecting. You have been roundly and resoundingly beaten. See - yesterdays posts.

And what have you resorted to? Repeating your past failures. . . keep at it.

When the argument goes out of you - you turn to being rude and vulgar.

Look - you are doing to everyone!

The_Chimp

So who delivered all this cause?

Just Allah . . ? ;D

Living in dreams and waiting for Allah to answer your prayers while doing nothing . . and without needing to be grateful

In actuality, Allah is the cause , and it is YOU who delivered and answered your own prayers . . .

Indeed, Allah will not change the condition of a people <- cause
until they change what is in themselves <- effect
(13.11)

When I pointed out your understanding of cause and effect is poor . . . what did you do? You began trolling - soft pedaling abuse. You did that yesterday - and I took your arguments apart.

Th above is contradictory.

On one hand you claim Allah is the cause - then you also Allah is not the only one who delivers this cause. You have phrased - once again - poorly.

Indeed, Allah will not change the condition of a people <- cause
until they change what is in themselves <- effect

This can be re-written as the cause is you change yourself - effect the almighty will change your condition. So in effect

until they change what is in themselves <- Cause

Indeed, Allah will not change the condition of a people <- Effect.

So - if people changed themselves then result of that will be blessing and help of the Almighty. hence the old Arab proverb

"Trust in God, but tie your camel."

The_Chimp

"Muslims"

One contention of yours is that 1 + 0 = 1

Now - your mathematical sense is poor.

If you have 1 pear and 0 oranges that equals to = 1 pear.

The orange does not exist.

So if man does not exist - then how and why would you go about about adding man and god?

But we already know man does exist . . . the only thing is man's existence is dependent upon the Almighty - and the Almighty's existence is independent.

So if you add 2 unlike things together - then you end up with 2 unlike things.

X + Y = X +Y and not X

muslims

What kind of analogy is this?

Both apple and orange are matter, so as everything else . . . matter, atomic particles . . . rotfl

and . . .

This is your question . . .

No one asked you to add 1 and 0. What was asked

How did you get from Zero to One?

The question stands...

how did you get from 0 to 1?

This is my answer . . .

This is how we become God . . by becoming "0" and servant of Allah . .

1 (God) + 0 (human) = 1 (God) = Absolute Obedience = Creating God in ourselves

and . . .

One who reach "0" can never become God . . because they are "0"

Allah has not made for a man two hearts in his interior. (33.4) <- no heart, all is given to Allah

How can "0" becoming something ?

however . . they are God because they are "0" . . because they witness Allah in their own way

They created God in themselves, because 1 + 0 = 1

and

We are nothing, that's why we are One

1 + 0 = 1

and

Allah has not made for a man two hearts in his interior. (33.4)

Only one heart, and it is for Allah.

1 + 0 = 1

and

Say, "Indeed, my prayer, my rites of sacrifice, my living and my dying are for Allah , Lord of the worlds. (6.162(

1 + 0 = 1

and

(obviously I am not declaring myself as God . . only fools believe that)

and

http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9606172.msg345951#msg345951
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9606172.msg345972#msg345972

You still don't understand ?

I have also explained on this . . .

I have explained, and you cannot understand . . and you will not understand, maybe forever.

or vice versa, I cannot understand your belief . . forever.

Either way, there is no one can make any of us to understand what we are not supposed to understand.

Whatever it is , those who submit and communicate with the Sunnatullah will understand

And you cannot guide the blind away from their error
You will only make hear those who believe in Our verses
so they are Muslims
(6.162)

Your Argument

and now your argument is that it is my fault because you cannot understand and stupid ?

That's sound stupid enough . . . rotfl

The_Chimp

What kind of analogy is this?

Both apple and orange are matter, so as everything else . . . rotfl

Analogy? And then you say

Both apple and orange are matter, so as everything else . . .

You make such meaningless statements and pretend that you have answered a question.

This is how we become God . . by becoming "0" and servant of Allah . .

1 (God) + 0 (human) = 1 (God) = Absolute Obedience = Creating God in ourselves

No we do not. We never become "god" - the concept is outright lunacy and ludicrous.

God is completely different to us - we cannot be "added" in anyway to God. And this

"Creating God in ourselves"

Is completely against the Quran - in every single way - it is Shirk.

One who reach "0" can never become God . . because they are "0"

Allah has not made for a man two hearts in his interior. (33.4) <- no heart, all is given to Allah

This proves nothing. If you give your one heart to the love of Allah - you do not turn God.

See - you are simply fond of repeating what is already answered and challenged - and then you deviously and falsely accuse others of repetition.

Look above - without bothering to answer . . . you just repeat your tin-pot theory.

Also that is 2 baseless accusations against me . . . which when asked you have failed to prove.

The_Chimp

"and your argument now is that it is my fault because you cannot understand and are stupid ?

That's sound stupid enough . . . rotfl
"

See - once more - rather than answering you turn to abuse! Report to Admin - I think

muslims

No we do not. We never become "god" - the concept is outright lunacy and ludicrous.

God is completely different to us - we cannot be "added" in anyway to God. And this

"Creating God in ourselves"

Is completely against the Quran - in every single way - it is Shirk.

See? Proven . . your stupidity and laziness to read !

Or . . your interest for an argument by repetition . .

(obviously I am not declaring myself as God . . only fools believe that)

One who reach "0" can never become God . . because they are "0"

Allah has not made for a man two hearts in his interior. (33.4) <- no heart, all is given to Allah

How can "0" becoming something ?

however . . they are God because they are "0" . . because they witness Allah in their own way

They created God in themselves, because 1 + 0 = 1

This is how we become God . . by becoming "0" and servant of Allah . .

1 (God) + 0 (human) = 1 (God) = Absolute Obedience = Creating God in ourselves

and what do God do?

answers peoples' prayers . . be kind to His servants . . bring peace and harmony etc

this is the task of a Khalifa . .

From a God who thinks like a man

to a man who thinks like God!

muslims

See - once more - rather than answering you turn to abuse! Report to Admin - I think

I should report to the admin for your action of spamming this thread with blank denials and repetition . .

and without even making one conclusion or counter argument . .

ops . . I forgot . . you don't even know what is an argument . . rotfl

The_Chimp

Your claim that we become god by creating god in our heart is simply lunacy. You have been asked repeatedly to prove this - and you have failed. Rather than answering - you turn abusive - I have twice caught you making false accusations - when I have asked you prove them - you have failed. Your theory is completely bizarre and outright Shrik.

Absolute Obedience = Creating God in ourselves

Absolute obedience does not mean we create God in our self. The jump in logic is from you and baseless. I have asked you in the past - and no answer.

One who reach "0" can never become God . . because they are "0"

Allah has not made for a man two hearts in his interior. (33.4) <- no heart, all is given to Allah

How can "0" becoming something ?

however . . they are God because they are "0" . . because they witness Allah in their own way

They created God in themselves, because 1 + 0 = 1

The above is simple nonsense. I mean look at this

however . . they are God because they are "0" . . because they witness Allah in their own way

The are god because they are Zero! So by winessing Allah - you claim - you become a god!

How? Prove it from the Quran? Again - been asked - again simple repetitions - claims of calling others stupid and that is all.

They created God in themselves, because 1 + 0 = 1

Again the silly logic. This is NOT creating God in themselves - God cannot be created in a person!

We are nothing, that's why we are One

1 + 0 = 1

Ha ha ha ha - that is like saying . . . if there are no eggs - then that means there are eggs! How ridiculous a logic. Nothing means Nothing and not something.

Allah has not made for a man two hearts in his interior. (33.4)

Only one heart, and it is for Allah.

1 + 0 = 1

Having one heart - does NOT mean you go from 1 + 0 = 1

1 God + 0 man = 1 God + 0 man

and NOT

1 God + 0 man = 1 God.

Your logic is above EVERY single person on Earth! No known person has ever claimed the above to be anything other than sheer nonsense.

Say, "Indeed, my prayer, my rites of sacrifice, my living and my dying are for Allah , Lord of the worlds. (6.162(

1 + 0 = 1

Again

1 + 0 = 1 is wrong as in your case . . .

1 + 0 = 1 + 0

(obviously I am not declaring myself as God . . only fools believe that)

So why are you saying - man becomes God? And why are you claiming - man creates God within himself. Obviously "fools" claim such nonsense.

muslims

Your claim that we become god by creating god in our heart is simply lunacy. You have been asked repeatedly to prove this - and you have failed. Rather than answering - you turn abusive - I have twice caught you making false accusations - when I have asked you prove them - you have failed. Your theory is completely bizarre and outright Shrik.

Absolute obedience does not mean we create God in our self. The jump in logic is from you and baseless. I have asked you in the past - and no answer.

The above is simple nonsense. I mean look at this

The are god because they are Zero! So by winessing Allah - you claim - you become a god!

How? Prove it from the Quran? Again - been asked - again simple repetitions - claims of calling others stupid and that is all.

Again the silly logic. This is NOT creating God in themselves - God cannot be created in a person!

Ha ha ha ha - that is like saying . . . if there are no eggs - then that means there are eggs! How ridiculous a logic. Nothing means Nothing and not something.

Having one heart - does NOT mean you go from 1 + 0 = 1

1 God + 0 man = 1 God + 0 man

and NOT

1 God + 0 man = 1 God.

Your logic is above EVERY single person on Earth! No known person has ever claimed the above to be anything other than sheer nonsense.

Again

1 + 0 = 1 is wrong as in your case . . .

1 + 0 = 1 + 0

So why are you saying - man becomes God? And why are you claiming - man creates God within himself. Obviously "fools" claim such nonsense.

Look again the pattern of your argument without quotes. . .

Blank denials . . repetitions . . . and you don't even read . .

I'm saying about A . . you are saying about B

The_Chimp

See? Proven . . your stupidity and laziness to read !

Or . . your interest for an argument by repetition . .

Once more - you are just posting abuse - and once more no answer!

(obviously I am not declaring myself as God . . only fools believe that)

This is contradictory - I have already pointed that out . . . on one hand you claim man becomes god and man creates god within him. Hence - this contradicts with the above.

Or only fools claim

'man becomes god' and 'man creates god within him'.

You contradict your own self.

and what do God do?

answers peoples' prayers . . be kind to His servants . . bring peace and harmony etc

this is the task of a Khalifa . .

More silly contradictions . . . "Khalifah" of God is NOT God but Khalifah.

The nature of God is different HENCE man cannot be god.

= = =

Quit being abusive. I have reported you to admin.

The_Chimp

I should report to the admin for your action of spamming this thread with blank denials and repetition . .

and without even making one conclusion or counter argument . .

ops . . I forgot . . you don't even know what is an argument . .

More silly abuse. And more lies against me. I have prove 2 case of your lying - in the form of baseless accusations. Please do not proceed with such silliness.

Stick to answering questions. . .

As this

I should report to the admin for your action of spamming this thread with blank denials and repetition . .

Is a complete lie and baseless accusation - else prove it.

muslims

Then prove to me . .

(a) that God is not Ahad and Samad, and has a boundary

That God have limits . . existed in a container or body

That's sound very weak for a God . .

(b) prove to me your own existence . .

http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqnEGu8VF8Y

Let see what is your answer . . . rather than making blank denials and repetitions. . .

The_Chimp

Look again the pattern of your argument without quotes. . .

Blank denials . . repetitions . . . and you don't even read . .

I'm saying about A . . you are saying about B

One every single point I have answered you. Yet more baseless accusations and more avoidance.

Then you will turn around and start saying you have not been answered.

Well - here we are . . . I have answered you point by point.

I'm saying about A . . you are saying about B

Prove this baseless accusation

Blank denials . . repetitions . . . and you don't even read . .

Prove this silly baseless accusation. How can I answer EVERY single point of yours . . .and still not read?

What have I denied?

What did I repeat?

Prove these - or more baseless accusations.

The_Chimp

Then prove to me . .

(a) that God is not Ahad and Samad, and has a boundary

That God have limits . . existed in a container or body

That's sound very weak for a God . .

(b) prove to me your own existence . .

http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqnEGu8VF8Y

Once again - you have not been able to answer questions . . . I went through your answer point by point . . . no answer - just abuse and baseless accusations. And then this new drama.

that God is not Ahad and Samad, and has a boundary

Why should I prove this - when I already believe god is Ahad and Samad.

Do not foget - when I asked you about your interpretation of these 2 words - you just sent lots of abuse towards me.

prove to me your own existence . .

Lol - ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

I am a robot!

muslims

See?

You make blank denials for every answer . .

You repeat question in this thread . .

and when people ask your for your conclusion or counter argument . . you simply ignore .

That's how it's always been with The Chimp. . Boringggggggggggggggggg . . .

The_Chimp

See? You make blanks denials for every answer . .

You repeat question in this thread . .

and when people ask your for your conclusion . . you simply ignore .

Once more - completely wrong - it is there for EVERYONE to see . . . I answered EVERY question - one by one.

I even asked you - what denial?

You have not even able to bring one example!

= = =

Your views are silly and wrong - you cannot answer - you are vulgar and you are accusing willy nilly.

It is my sincere advice - stop this nonsense.

= = =

I have highlighted your silly contradictions and baseless views - those that are Shirk. Any answer. . . none.

The_Chimp

See?

You make blank denials for every answer . .

You repeat question in this thread . .

and when people ask your for your conclusion or counter argument . . you simply ignore .

That's how it's always been with The Chimp. . Boringggggggggggggggggg . . .

What people? What are you talking about? I have not made a single "blank denial"

Where?

Your petty attempts at "abusing" me rather than answering are simply highlighting your own silliness and inability not to answer.

You cannot even answer a simple question - such as "What is your name"

You asked me - look I even answered that!

Then your accusation

You make blank denials for every answer . .

You repeat question in this thread . .

Well - you accuse everyone when you are in a corner.

The_Chimp

Your verbal attacks are getting silly. No one is fooled by saying "blank denials" as you do that to everyone.

As to your views - they are shirk and baseless - not a single verse of Quran alludes to such statement - in fact the whole concept of Oneness of Allah is complete against this.

On one hand you say

"Man becomes God"

and then you say that are not yourself claiming to be a God - as only fools claim this! Then this is a strange contradiction.

When you are asked to answer this - all you can say is I am making "blank denials".

Now how is that a "blank denial" of anything?