What is Islam?
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Salaam
Yes I know if deen can also be means system.
If we talking about Islam, the parameter is not only philossopy (falsafah) but still not avoid the theology/intepretation.Despite "way of life", Islam can also be labeled as religion
Why?? Islam has definiton of God and proper rites (salat, fasting).http//s17.postimg.org/ih7z4dej3/py_wof.png
Way of life is hablum minannas, it's about how we lived in society (horizontal)
While religion is hablum minallah, its about how we worshipp the GOD (vertical).Way of life and religion has same point Talking about morality
But parameter (good and false) of what is moral, this is what "way of life" and religion differs in.Islam, Christian, atheism has their own definition of true and false
Pluralism is ultra-assimilation and it's idea planned to merged the parameter (the unity within religion)"You shall uphold this system and <- the system of "just" vs. "unjust", balance...
do not divide in it." <- No Sectarianism, ie. assimilation.. assimilate with the societyYes you're true if this is your definition of assimilation.
As muslims we're allowed to participate in society as long we don't divert the GOD's teaching.For sectarianism... it depent on what context we talk about.
Sectarianism is label for people who different in theology/religion.
But in this differences doesn't make us to be divided in society and this is how we need assimilation.I'm referring you to the direct ayat of the Quran
We are the descendants of Adam
Regardless of whether we are labelled as Muslims, Hinduists, Buddhists, Christians etc . . .I already explain to you.
OK which part you don't understand??Son of God (in Christian) doesn't mean we're offspring of GOD,
Son of Adam (in Quran) doesn't mean we're offsrpring of Adam.No verses said Adam is the first human nor Quran spoke for who and what Adam is.
Secondly our civillization started in Tanzania, millinea ago, before migrated to another lands.
So we cannot gurantee so easily if we're the blood descendant of Adam.Son/Bani of Adam, I assume this term if for the the believer or people who accept Adam, Ibrahim and Imran as the khalifah.
But still GOD know best.
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Way of life is hablum minannas, it's about how we lived in society (horizontal)
While religion is hablum minallah, its about how we worshipp the GOD (vertical).That could also be true, but what is the meaning of "religion" + "way of life" ?
Could it mean "religion" or "way of life" ?
How can "religion" (sectarianism) and "way of life" (nonsectarianism) mixed together ?. . .
Secondly, I believe you are making your own interpretation of the "ad-deen"
Try search the Quran for that word and it is always understood as "religion"If it is a "religion", then what difference does it makes with other religions?
For example, how can it fit with this verse?For you is your religion, and for me is my religion." (1096)
The Hinduist or others can easily say, sure "For you is your religion, and for me is my religion"
See? It is meaningless. . .. . .
Thirdly, I believe the definition have been corrupted since there are at least four words with different "root words" have been categorized as "religion"
. . . so many verses (ِ
. . . madhab (ب . . . belief, religion, hold a belief, ideology, trend, manner
. . . verse 2120, 130 dan 135 (َ. . . religion, to dictate, embrace a religion, creed/faith...
. . . verse 2.138 (َ. . . code of law, religionFor example
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My point is, I believe this should not happen and the meaning should not share the same "root words" since Allah said
an Arabic Qur'an, without any deviance that they might become righteous.
39.28I believe this is the loophole and the meanings of the Quran have been corrupted
"The word "religion" share many root words and thus, the Arabic meanings can be deviated".and contradictorily . . .
The Quran has described Islam as Ad-Din, which is generally translated as religion. However, in the light of the above meanings, it should be clear that this is not only incorrect, but distorts and negates the very meaning of din. Islam is not a religion (madhab), and it has never been described as one in the Quran.; <a href="http//www.tolueislam.org/Parwez/ICR/ICR.htm">Islam A Challenge to Religion</a>
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Dn as Used in Islam
It has been said that the word Dn appears in as many as 79 verses in the Qur'an, but because there is no exact English translation of the term its precise definition has been the subject of some misunderstanding and disagreement. For instance, the term is often translated in parts of the Qur'an as "religion". However, in the Qur'an itself, the act of submission to God is always referred to as Dn, rather than as Madhhab (ب, which is the Arabic word for "religion".
Wikipedia
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I already explain to you.
OK which part you don't understand??I ask you, which part you don't understand?
My point is. . .
We are the descendants of Adam
Regardless of whether we are labelled as Muslims, Hinduists, Buddhists, Christians etc . . .and the Quran says . . .
And when your Lord
took from the children of Adam
from their loins
their descendantsand made them testify of themselves
, "Am I not your Lord?"
They said, "Yes, we have testified."- lest you should say on the day of Resurrection
"Indeed, we were of this unaware"
(7172)
- lest you should say on the day of Resurrection
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How can "religion" (sectarianism) and "way of life" (nonsectarianism) mixed together ?
Since Quran is the book of Theology, so main subjects spoken on it is about religious system.
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"Enter to Islam completely!!" (enter a madzhab)385 And whoever follows other than Al Islami dynan ( ا, it will not be accepted from him, and in the Hereafter he is of the losers. (follow another madzhab will not get the salvation)
This verses is enough to prove if Islam according to Quranic cotext mostly refer to creed.
Proof 1) Give the rules for rites - Kitaban mawqutan/scheduled times for salat (4103)
- Fasting rules (2184-5)
- etc
While "way of life", we can practice somethings as long as not for religious purpose
- Forbids to embrance other teaching, hadiths beside the Quran (7750) (talking about theolgy/informal system)
While in "way of life" concept, we're allowed to adopted hadith as long as not for theological purose
(ex math book) (talking about our daily activities/formal system)This is why I define Islam in the Quran as a theology, creed.
For you is your religion, and for me is my religion." (1096)
This is why Islam in the Quran defined as a creed.
Ex Me (Buddhist) and you (moslem) study in SMK Damansara Jaya.
Formality we're same, we both students of SMK Damansara Jaya and this how we involved in "assimilation"
But in term of religion we're different (theology/salvation)I ask you, which part you don't understand?
My point is. . .
I hope we're not stuck in this issue for long times.It looks like you didn't read my explanation.
Many words in the Quran has alternative meanings and shouldn't always translated too literally.Example - Ayat literally means sign but in Quran it means verse.
- Nisaa literally means women, but in Quran it means wives
Son of God, descendant of God.
Now I ask you, what is the proof if you're descendant of Adam?? (Since you're a Malay or Tamil maybe)I'm tired to re-explain, but you may re-read Quran again for knowing more.
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How can "religion" (sectarianism) and "way of life" (nonsectarianism) mixed together ?
Since Quran is the book of Theology, so main subjects spoken on it is about religious system.
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"Enter to Islam completely!!" (enter a madzhab)Then it is simple, the tail of an elephant is not an elephant..
Therefore, it is not madhab. . .
and you did not answer the issue of . . .
My point is, I believe this should not happen and the meaning should not share the same "root words" since Allah said
an Arabic Qur'an, without any deviance that they might become righteous.
39.28I believe this is the loophole and the meanings of the Quran have been corrupted
"The word "religion" share many root words and thus, the Arabic meanings can be deviated".. . .
Secondly,
This is why I define Islam in the Quran as a theology, creed.
This is why Islam in the Quran defined as a creed.
Ex Me (Buddhist) and you (moslem) study in SMK Damansara Jaya.
Formality we're same, we both students of SMK Damansara Jaya and this how we involved in "assimilation"
But in term of religion we're different (theology/salvation)The above conclusion does not answer the following contention.
In fact, it is supporting my conclusion.The Hinduist or others can easily say, sure "For you is your religion, and for me is my religion"
See? It is meaningless. . .. . .
Thirdly,
I hope we're not stuck in this issue for long times.It looks like you didn't read my explanation.
Many words in the Quran has alternative meanings and shouldn't always translated too literally.I read your argument and it is "Ignoratio elenchi, also known as irrelevant conclusion. It has been described as "attacking what the other fellow never said"
My point is simple, "we are descendants from Adam" and I give the ayat to support my conclusion, that's it.
However, your argument has nothing to do with the above conclusion, and it is wishful thinking. -
Then it is simple, the tail of an elephant is not an elephant..
Therefore, it is not madhab. . .
and you did not answer the issue of . . .
My point is, I believe this should not happen and the meaning should not share the same "root words" since Allah said
an Arabic Qur'an, without any deviance that they might become righteous.
39.28I believe this is the loophole and the meanings of the Quran have been corrupted
"The word "religion" share many root words and thus, the Arabic meanings can be deviated".Because this not even a question )
The above conclusion does not answer the following contention.
In fact, it is supporting my conclusion.Because we aren't in debate,
We share same argument = we got an agreement in a subject.I read your argument and it is "Ignoratio elenchi, also known as irrelevant conclusion. It has been described as "attacking what the other fellow never said"
Sorry I don't care about this method )
My point is simple, "we are descendants from Adam" and I give the ayat to support my conclusion, that's it.
However, your argument has nothing to do with the above conclusion, and it is wishful thinking.And I already give explained before atleast two times, but you didn't respond it.
Instead you keep bringing the same arguments multiple times and still claiming as wishful thinkingOk I want to log out for a while, I'm hungry )
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goodness without wisdom always accomplishes evil . . .
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Nice diagram,
Without evil how can we tell good?
Without good how can we tell evil?Is there "good baby" and "evil baby"?
No, babies are just babies, they don't do evil thus they don't do good.Back to answer the main topic,
islam is an attitude.
It is an attitude of "acceptance" a "surrender" to what has happened, what is happening and what will happened in the future.
It's an attitude recommended by sages of the past such as Jesus, Moses, Siddharta, Lao Tse and hundreds of today self help book's author.Through islam attitude one will find happiness and peace.
If you haven't felt happiness and peace then you're not yet islam.Through "acceptance" a "surrender" to what has happened, what is happening and what will happened in the future, one shall have no worries, no envy, no despair, no regrets, no anger. Just peace thus happiness.
It's a simple concept, very easy to say but it's very hard to perform.
Salam / Peace
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It's a simple concept, very easy to say but it's very hard to perform.
It is true and just a matter of perspective, ie.
It's a simple concept, very easy to say (from the perspective of a Deen) but it's very hard to perform (from the perspective of a religion.. sectarianism and bigotism).
and that's why...
(So) you have your din (sectarianism, bigotism),
and I have my Din (living justly balanced and human unity)
(109.6)It is an absolute separation of way or system of life, which requires wisdom and acceptance of all religions..
Everyone and everything is one, (3.83 below). . and
It is therefore almost impossible for the sectarians to practice Islam.. sadly,And whoever seeks a "dnan" (ا other than Islam
it will NEVER be accepted of him
and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers
(385)plus . . there is no shortcut for the hypocrites to Islam.. .
Allah would not leave the believers in that you are in
until He separates the evil from the good
(3179)It is therefore "a simple concept, very easy to say but it's very hard to perform"
Through "acceptance" a "surrender" to what has happened, what is happening and what will happened in the future, one shall have no worries, no envy, no despair, no regrets, no anger. Just peace thus happiness.
Yes and one should realize that...
to Him have submitted (َ those within the heavens and earth (3.83)
Therefore, what is there to resist since everyone and everything have submitted to Allah, willingly or by compulsion.
It also follows that Islam is not about "submission" since everyone and everything have submitted to Allah
But Islam is about "assimilation" of good and evil as one. . Ying and Yang, and I must admit that in some aspect of their faith, it looks like these peoples are more Muslim than the Muslims themselves.
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goodness without wisdom always accomplishes evil . . .
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hehehe CHINA NAK TIPU URANG MUSLIM!!! rotfl
As muslim we must tried to uphold the white whatever the black is existed.
If necessary the white must have more percentage than black.If we keep silent and weak, slowly the black will coloured the white withouth you noticed.
If we keep pouring the oil in a glass of water, then the water will spill out by timesWhite is ma'ruf while black is munkar,
The YIN YANG balance actually just a fake utopia while actually doesn't exist in real lifeSalaam
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Qin Dinasty Propaganda http//islaminchina.wordpress.com/2007/11/06/authenticity-of-seek-knowledge-even-as-far-as-china/
http//salafiaqeedah.blogspot.com/2012/04/hadithseek-knowledge-as-far-as-china.htmlFake always fake http//islamqa.info/en/13637
http//islam.stackexchange.com/questions/5311/is-this-a-authentic-hadith-seek-knowledge-even-if-you-have-to-travel-to-china
http//www.al-mawrid.org/pages/questions_english_detail.php?qid=1084&cid=511Some groups may using religion, god to make moneys
Salaam
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As muslim we must tried to uphold the white whatever the black is existed.
Yes, you as an individual, not as a whole. . . "your life"
How about others?
ie. more than 7 billion peoples on earth, and trillion of other living creatures ?
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And if you were to harm (them) in retaliation
harm them to the measure you were harmed
16.126and 18.68-82 (Moses and Khidhr)
And how can you have patience for what you do not encompass in knowledge?
and. . .
The YIN YANG balance actually just a fake utopia while actually doesn't exist in real life
It is just their symbol for understanding about life, no big deal if its fake or not. .
It is irrelevant unless among the sectarianshehehe CHINA NAK TIPU URANG MUSLIM!!! rotfl
The main point life is about balance
The main point is Allah do command justice and balance in the society
God orders
justice (creating balance)
and goodness
16.90Justice, is about "balance" . .
Sunnatullah, is about "balance" . .
Everything is about "balance" . .There is no such thing as everything is "white" (good) or "black" (evil)
Have you not learned something after so many years living on earth as a human being?
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Sorry muslims, you hijacked many verses in the Quran so I cannot respond yours
Have you not learned something after so many years living on earth as a human being?
Yes I already learnt anything, many aspects and even good and bad side of somethings.
There is nothing such as Yin Yang balance, that was just a jokes created by chinese clerics.Humans created with desire, to uphold and keep their ideology existed, somewhat they will see the other group who opposed as an obstacle.
The muslims will tried to spread their teaching to non muslims via da'wah or invasion in the past time
The Christian has term named "Lost Sheep" means people who still not believe in Jesus as God,
according to them both you and me is the Lost Sheep and we're the target of their misionary/evangelist activities.Remember, some Sacred Books properchied the doomsday, at that time the people fighting each other, spill blood, no balance at all.
So even Yin Yang authorized by god, fake still a fake.
By saying "China nak tipu", I don't propgandate anti China ethnically/physically but just their attitude.
I love Chinese, but little of them I befriend to because of thatWe can befriend each other with the Chinese, but we still have our identity
Both you and me already live together with the Chinese for along time, but unlike you, me is type of person who learn the darks side of something, learning something for how to filter some other concepts
Just like I already learn the dark side of Quranist and Sunnism hehehe -
There is nothing such as Yin Yang balance, that was just a jokes created by chinese clerics.
So the "IDEA" is a joke and unjust simply because it is created by the Chinese clerics ?
Is Sunnatullah a joke?
and of course, I've said it . . .
It is just their symbol for understanding about life, no big deal if its fake or not. .
It is irrelevant unless among the sectarians- You seem to simply ignore the verses and points I'd given above.
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sorry brother, I already edited mine post )
Please re-read again.
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My question remain and in addition . . . what is wrong with this idea?
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Is it wrong because of the "idea" itself . . .
. . .or is it wrong because the "Chinese clerics" invented this idea etc.?
How about this example, a mosquito... is it a joke?
Indeed, Allah is not timid to present an example
that of a mosquito or what is smaller than it
And those who have believed know that it is the truth from their Lord
But as for those who disbelieve, they say,
"What did Allah intend by this as an example?"
He misleads many thereby and guides many thereby
And He misleads not except the defiantly disobedient
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Sorry muslims, you hijacked many verses in the Quran so I cannot respond yours
prove it . . don't just say it
here is my point
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg349240#msg349240
Therefore . . .
prove that life is not about Sunnatullah
prove that justice is not about balance- answer the above questions
Prove it . . your blank accusation/denial does not prove anything, it is showing your lack of common sense
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My question remain and in addition . . . what is wrong with this idea?
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I already answer that.....
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg349223#msg349223
Sorry to ad hominem or little OOT , you person only know bout phylossopy, but didn't carefully to watch the situation.
You simply say "yes" to other concepts.Yeaahh it's okay the Malay races from Southern Phillipine to Indonesia start to praise the Chinese, their cultures and religions, withouth realize if this only raised the Chinese hemegony in this archipelago especially in 2020 soon in the impact of free-trade/ACFTA
You must realize, the Malay races whatever their language is the majority and the main power in South East Asia, if Malay is too weak with foreign hegemony means the entire South East Asia will fall down to them
This scheme is similiar with the Hallyu/Korean Wave whose already brainwashed the young generations in this time.
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_Wave
We may befriend to them (Chinese) , but it doesn't means we're weak to them, because such as balance doesn't existed and only a theory
The strong always oppress the weak, and this circle always happened time to time.
You praise the Chinese, work to them then their hegemony will roams against you, no balance at all.Peace