The word Allah has been absolutely discarded. . .
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Allah is just a title of a position of power. A distinct one.
Have faith
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Negation is NOT to deny the acceptance of a large number of gods by various people. Negation is about the elided predicate with reference to this community/set of godheads of various people. None of them is Living. The only god who is ever living is Allah the Exalted;
That's fine for an opinion. . but opinion on its own is irrelevant since anyone can make such statements, even by those who don't know how to read or never go to school or even some retarded sectarians. There is no difference at all.
Therefore, the real issue is how do people prove it through a valid logical statement and premises?
I believe this is the rule for correct interpretation, ie. no discrepancy.
Do they not reflect on the Qur'an? <-- is referring to the interpretation
If it was from any other than God <-- wrong interpretation
they would have found in it many a discrepancy. <-- if there is discrepancy, it is not the correct interpretation
482It is the word of Allah, and therefore it can be proven. . .otherwise Allah would not challenge people to produce one like the Quran.
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I believe this is the rule for correct interpretation, ie. no discrepancy.
Do they not reflect on the Qur'an? <-- is referring to the interpretation
If it was from any other than God <-- wrong interpretation
they would have found in it many a discrepancy. <-- if there is discrepancy, it is not the correct interpretation
482This is like "anti codon" in genes interpretation.
An anticodon is a trinucleotide sequence complementary to that of a corresponding codon in a messenger RNA (mRNA) sequence. An anticodon is found at one end of a transfer RNA (tRNA) molecule. During protein synthesis, each time an amino acid is added to the growing protein, a tRNA forms base-pairs with its complementary sequence on the mRNA molecule, ensuring that the appropriate amino acid is inserted into the protein.We will soon concentrate on par excellence features of Grand Qur'aan under the heading Inbuilt guidance for translation Criterion - Keys for translation of Grand Qur'aan, which serve as keys for accurate translation; particularly for evaluation of the accuracy and veracity of the translation in the target language text. Many of these features are like Transfer RNA and its anticodon which help avoid erring while translating; and to understand, unambiguously, the message of the Messenger RNA.
Critical thinking Follow an enquiry based process use prior and background information
Is it for reason that they have purposely not made it their habit to cross-examine the Qur'aan critically pursuing coherently its miscellany Unitary Verbal Passages that mirror established realities and facts?
Mind it that had this Qur'aan been a dictate by some one other than Allah the Exalted, indeed on cross-examination of its contents, pursuing from initial to last statement, they would have certainly found-detected quite a number of variations-conflicts-differences therein.
This is the litmus test for evaluating and verifying the whole truth. No further element should be at variance and conflict with the whole body of text. Grand Qur'aan is suggesting that its reader should be active and a strategic reader. Answer this question and you will become an active reader. It sets a purpose for reading and establishes motivation. It moves the reader away from passively accepting the text which limits comprehension.
Inbuilt guidance Keys for translation of Grand Qur'aan
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So how do people explain this contradiction ?
If Allah is a "God", then it will contradict the first premise of "No God". . . . the "negative form".
It will become "self contradicting" argument. . .Premise 1 No god ("-" negative form)
Premise 2 Only Allah ("+" affirmative form)IF Allah is God
Contradiction "no god" vs. "is god"
Refer here
http//download.ahmedhulusi.org/download/pdf/en/allah_en.pdf#page=25
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No god except 'the god'. Allah is an ilah. It does not contradict itself. Or how?
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No offence intended, but I think you don't really understand what is logic and the logical structure of an argument. . what can be considered as a valid and non valid contentions. . . that's why you are merely insisting and repeating your conclusion without offering any valid premises to counter the argument. . which I think it is pointless.
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No offence intended, but I think you don't really understand what is logic and the logical structure of an argument. . what can be considered as a valid and non valid contentions. . . that's why you are merely insisting and repeating your conclusion without offering any valid premises to counter the argument. . which I think it is pointless.
Peace,
You have now forced rudeness.
Wrong, it is who you keep repeating faulty, void logic, insisting on your own fantasy of being god yourself/there existing no deity at all (which is infact, ironically a logical contradiction btw ~ you cannot be a god if you do not exist)."No object except/only The Object"
This clearly is referring to something special (a special object discarding all other objects). Does this mean that objects do not exist altogether? NO! you would have to be you know, incredibly stupid to take that to mean that objects don't exist altogether.
The statement means that there are no other objects except this one special object, so there is only one object, essentially. If you cannot make any sense of that...thenEither get professional help or believe as the people had believed when the Quran was revealed and as other scriptures of God were revealed. No one except The God can help you/guide you. But since you believe that The God does not exist, then there is absolutely no one who can help/guide you.
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Peace,
You have now forced rudeness.
Wrong, it is who you keep repeating faulty, void logic, insisting on your own fantasy of being god yourself/there existing no deity at all (which is infact, ironically a logical contradiction btw ~ you cannot be a god if you do not exist).Really ? okay let just go through a simple test, to see the level of your logic and capability to identify valid and logical premises . . . .
Let's make it simple. . do you understand the "structure of an argument" and "legal or word structure of the Quran" ?
or. .even simpler, can you read statutory law?
For example. ..
Penal Code Fabricating false evidence
- Whoever causes any circumstances to exist, or makes any false entry in any book or record, or makes any document containing a false statement, intending that such circumstance, false entry, or false statement may appear in evidence in a judicial proceeding, or in a proceeding taken by law before a public servant as such, or before an arbitrator, and that such circumstance, false entry or false statement, so appearing in evidence, may cause any person, who in such proceeding is to form an opinion upon the evidence, to entertain an erroneous opinion touching any point material to the result of such proceeding, is said ?to fabricate false evidence?.
Let say you are the Prosecutor, how many elements do you need to prove for charging a person on the offence of fabricating false evidence?
ie. for establishing a prima facie case. . .
Can you list each of the elements from the above section?
So that we can say the offender is committing an offence of fabricating false evidence. . .Please also draft the charges. . .
the above is far much easier than the Quran because the context and structure are very clear. . .the Quran, is not like that.
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The statement means that there are no other objects except this one special object, so there is only one object, essentially. If you cannot make any sense of that...
Either get professional help or believe as the people had believed when the Quran was revealed and as other scriptures of God were revealed. No one except The God can help you/guide you. But since you believe that The God does not exist, then there is absolutely no one who can help/guide you.
see ? you don't even understand the issue, or don't even read. . . . and yet claiming so many things that are irrelevant to this discussion, just to feed your ego gratification . . .
how could anyone argue with those who don't even understand the issue and does not provide any premises ? argument by repetition? brickwall
Let us give an example. The Arabic statement La rajulun illa Ali can be translated literally as ?There is no real man except/but Ali? or ?There is no man like Ali? or ?Among the men none are Ali?s alike? (note that all of these statements denote there are in fact other men, but they are not like Ali).
However, when the word illa is used in conjunction with the word ALLAH it does not mean ?a god like Allah?, that is, it should not be understood as ?there other gods, but none are like Allah?, as the very meaning denoted by the word ALLAH invalidates this supposition from the onset.
Just as the auxiliary verb was (khaane), when used in conjunction with Allah, loses its general meaning and is taken as the present simple tense, when the word except (illa) appears next to the word Allah it also loses its general connotation and is taken to mean only.
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Peace,
You have now forced rudeness.
Wrong, it is who you keep repeating faulty, void logic, insisting on your own fantasy of being god yourself/there existing no deity at all (which is infact, ironically a logical contradiction btw ~ you cannot be a god if you do not exist)."No object except/only The Object"
This clearly is referring to something special (a special object discarding all other objects). Does this mean that objects do not exist altogether? NO! you would have to be you know, incredibly stupid to take that to mean that objects don't exist altogether.
The statement means that there are no other objects except this one special object, so there is only one object, essentially. If you cannot make any sense of that...thenEither get professional help or believe as the people had believed when the Quran was revealed and as other scriptures of God were revealed. No one except The God can help you/guide you. But since you believe that The God does not exist, then there is absolutely no one who can help/guide you.
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Finally, you found your mate. . . . good for you.
The statement means that there are no other objects God except this one special object God, so there is only one object God, essentially.
Red, bold and stroke are mine . . .
The argument from duality. . . .shirk.
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I can't believe it, incredible - you actually equated God with object.
I.E. God = objectThere is no way you can treat this with the same nature.
See, this proves and shows a height of stupidity.
My statement was an example for understanding a basic concept. Never did I say that God = object. You really do twist words well, that's the only thing you do well. Your logic cannot be called logic, at all.
And if you are implying that belief in The Only God is shirk, then I don't know where on earth you learned logic from, because the whole bulk of the text of the Quran, revolves around this very concept.
ADDITIONALLY, this "muslim athiesm" is a complete contradiction and a fallacy. Athiesm is belief in no god/diety and hence no judgement day no resurrection/no accounting/no responsibility contradicting and mocking and ridiculing the entire Quran and all of God's revelations. While "muslim" although now skewed by extremists like isis and athiests, such as yourself, refers to the complete opposite.
I explain for the last time. "No god except/only The God".
Beyond any doubt this means that there were other "false" gods that people worshipped. Allat, uzza and manat for example, this is from the Quran itself. These were only names(and so not gods/false gods) they assigned to their statues, stones or whatever - it doesn't matter. The Quran teaches that all of these gods are false, they are not gods (no god) there is only One true God - The God english for arabic "Allah" (except/only The God).
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I can't believe it. . who are stupid in here ? You don't even understand what is a stroke, and interpret it as equal to Allah. Maybe there is something wrong with your heart. . it is so obvious. Nevermind, don't answer the question I gave you, I doubt you are able to understand the issue, it is too difficult for your level.
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It is clear there are "negative form" and "affirmative form" in the shahada, two contradicting premises. . .
Premise 1 No god ("-" negative form)
Premise 2 Only Allah ("+" affirmative form)ISSUE Allah is "God" or "Not God" ?
Contradiction "no god" vs. "is god"
I don't see the problem..
If I understand it correctly you are trying to suggest that the statement "There is no god but God" is contradictory?
I don't know Arabic but in English this makes perfect sense and is not contradictory at all.
For example; Pretend an alien from another galaxy is teleported to Earth. It materialises in my backyard. Once it meets me it starts asking questions until night time. When it sees the moon it asks me
"Where are your other moons?"It would not be contradictory at all for me to answer "We have no moon but this moon"
or
If I have a banana and you ask me for two bananas it would make perfect sense for me to say "I have no bananas except this banana".
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Therefore, it nullify the first premise of "? illa" . . . and duality in the shahada.
illa Allah cannot mean except Allah, which denotes the existence of others, but must be understood as only Allah!
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I don't know Arabic but in English this makes perfect sense and is not contradictory at all.
this is not about about English, Arabic or what you feel about something as right/wrong . . . (conjecture/guessing)
this is about logic. . the methodology for verification of truth in any statements, ie. proof . . .ie. through all true premises.So what is logic? Briefly speaking, we might define logic as the study of the principles of correct reasoning.
Logic is not the psychology of reasoning
One thing you should note about this definition is that logic is concerned with the principles of correct reasoning. Studying the correct principles of reasoning is not the same as studying the psychology of reasoning. Logic is the former discipline, and it tells us how we ought to reason if we want to reason correctly. Whether people actually follow these rules of correct reasoning is an empirical matter, something that is not the concern of logic.
The psychology of reasoning, on the other hand, is an empirical science. It tells us about the actual reasoning habits of people, including their mistakes. A psychologist studying reasoning might be interested in how people's ability to reason varies with age. But such empirical facts are of no concern to the logician.
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If one understands, God is unknown, unthinkable, invisible etc.. all those properties lead to an entity that's not understandable by human.
So Human consciousness are in one end and unknown God on the other end, always higher and elevated position, as always for us.you are right in a sense "muslims", "there is no known god, except the unknown one". )
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That's what I believe from the logical structures of the Quran and its verses . . no one knows Allah, and God is only basic description, not absolute.
There is no one equal/comparable/co-equal to Him. (112.4)
matter, idea and concept etc. .
Therefore, any attempt to describe Allah as God, in absoluteness. . . will fall short or even hoax, especially that kind of God that act and think like a man. . have organs, feets, face, hands, feelings, like, dislike, and the sectarianism God etc.
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not about incorrect to say no one knows Allah. . . but it is correct to say no one knows Allah.
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9606580.msg352512#msg352512
Why is it incorrect to say "No one knows God"?
double negative. . . so what you say has no basis, ie. "Why is it correct to say "one knows God"?"
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The contradiction from wrong interpretation. . . the proof.
Modus tollens
Premise 1 If P then Q.
Premise 2 Not-Q.Therefore, not-P.
Premise 1 If Allah then God.
Premise 2 No God. <- doesn't matter small "g" or capital "G", since the argument is only "God" exits.Therefore, No Allah.
P Q
? Q? P
Allah God
? God? Allah
Therefore,
P Q. . .
Allah GodNo God (Duality/Shirk),
Only Allah (Oneness/Unity in Diversity)The word "God" is only description for human understanding, since no one can understand "Allah" on its own. . the Oneness
and therefore the word "God" shall be subjected to the "interpretation provision" in Chapter 112.I just realize that there is not even a single word of "Allah" in the monotheist translation. . . claim to absoluteness. P
Since there is not a single word of Allah, therefore. . . there is no interpretation provision for Allah, no Allah, only God.