Do we need books to believe in God?
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Peace everybody.
I have tried to retire from this forum few times but still I am here
I have been enough here and is time to stay away from any discussion after this topic.Do we need books to believe in God?
Either way yes or no please explain why?
Peace.
2 years later still here.
I came here to pick up url for this discussion.
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Salaam,
No. We do not need books to "believe" in God. We just need to work on our ways and make sure we become good humans. The nearness to God will more or less come automagically and through this obviously guidance. It is about affinity if one becomes spiritually enlightened. Texts such as Quran or the Biblical scriptures may help, but they are hardly essential, and people would know this if they have things clear to themselves. Also texts like Quran can turn a person away from God due to misinterpretation too.
Salaam
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I think belief should be based on understanding, and God created language as a means to understand. Belief is a good place to start, but greater understanding comes through the written word. I read somewhere words are alive, therefore they should not be taken for granted. If we look (or read) in the right place, then God can offer His guidance. To believe, we do not need books, but to know, we need books. They are a part of God's plan and provisions. Our minds are fed by them, and our hearts change through them. I do not believe, however, that we need every book, and only God's wisdom can lead us to the right book(s).
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. . . to believe Only in God, to make us stand firmly by Him during our testing times, to protect and correct us from the path of error and to Guide us in the Straight Path, the Luminous Book is absolutely essential.
Hmm... I think I agree.
I'm grateful to Allah for the Qur'an,
and I think I do perceive the Qur'an as a book.
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I am grateful to The Rabb for nearness and guidance, and knowledge and wisdom. That is more important than any specific text.
And affinity brings nearness which leads to guidance which in return leads to knowledge and wisdom. It is all interconnected.
Salaam
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Peace
4200 belief in earth are idolizing God by human interpretation (including Quran)manipulated words of God for politics and human desires which is root of such such tyrannous manner when they can read and write and show their crimes by this screen.
I came to this forum for showing what witnessed and gone through many discussions, unfortunately educated one are locked into their taught for years and are insisting of their understanding the messages, parroting their parents and teachers that has created such tarnishing name for Islam and Quran.Few years ago I started a topic that why this forum logo is God Alone and not metioning Quran Alone ?
I was banned for one month and finally I have reached to same conclusion but much bolder and straight open.Bookless God
This is my last post in this forum
Peace and wish best for you -
Oh, that was unexpected, brother Bahman. You have your way with numbers, but I did not think that you were that fed up with people.
I am in a similar seat as you except about my controversial letter-by-letter interpretation method. I never put myself into your interlocking, but I tried to keep my respect for you. I am also slightly tired of all naive criticism and distrust, but I try to use the Iranian expression "Khaste nabash" on myself and keep working for the sake of God.
Salaam
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Technically speaking, the living Quran is not a book, so no, we don't need a book. Although it's not necessary, we have been given a gift and should try to learn as much as possible. I am interested in the so-called seven layers of understanding of the Quran.
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Nay, one does not need a book to consent/acknowledge his (rightful) Master/Owner . What one really needs, however, is a sound mind (QA ).
As for the Quranic zkr, my understanding is that it plays the role of G-D's promised guidance (to humanity) ~ see 238 One ought to follow its directions IF he/she seeks (to progress on) the right track (QA ).
SLM
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Good reference, brother hicham
And then I mean . I deliberately separated the word to highlight the root in there. It is a good translation/definition there. I argue that as a root means sound/firm, and Arabic words only have one meaning...
refers to heart/conscience.
Salaam
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Thank you my brother,
I am truly heartened to know that we share a common understanding (of the Quranic terms in question). The (semitic) root slm is indeed related to soundness, wholeness, or healthiness And qlb can be translated as 'heart' the inner core/center which is responsible for our thoughts and feelings; ie. the seat of the faculty of reason ~ the mind]
SLM
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Arabic in Quran is really unique. And so misunderstood.
I think people too rarely ponder upon how this language actually works intrinsically. It is very abstract and on spiritual level and has special markers when it is concrete vs. abstract. Words very literally say what they want to say, in the way of a mental image.
And its letters exist in Hebrew with the same meaning albeit different symbols. And Hebrew has different grammar and words although not entirely foreign.
Arabic feels like Hebrew 2.0.
Salaam
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Books are good, but there is no exclusive book, and one should not stare themselves blind with any of them, and most importantly they must make sure they follow the proper interpretation.
Be safe
Amenuel -
Does God need a book to guide us?
NODoes God only guide us through a book? or series of books?
NODo we NEED a book to receive guidance from God?
NODo we NEED a book to live a good life?
NOCan a book or some books guide us to live a good life?
YESIf I believe totally in a book, do I need to reject other books as my guidance?
NODo we need books to believe in God?
NOVery well put. I completely agree.
Is there anyone here who disagrees with what Jafar said? I'd like to know that. I think this is one issue we can all have consensus on.
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I agree 100% with Jafar's arguments. I think some may disagree though.
Be safe
Amenuel -
Peace.
While I agree with some of what jafar has said, GOD sends "words/scripture/..." to teach us and guide us
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Then, Adam received from his Lord words, whereby He redeemed him. He is the Redeemer, Most Merciful.So the fact remains we have a "book" from GOD, regardless .
GOD bless you.
Peace.