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Do we need books to believe in God?

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    Man_of_Faith
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    Good reference, brother hicham

    And then I mean . I deliberately separated the word to highlight the root in there. It is a good translation/definition there. I argue that as a root means sound/firm, and Arabic words only have one meaning...

    refers to heart/conscience.

    Salaam

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      hicham9
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      Thank you my brother,

      I am truly heartened to know that we share a common understanding (of the Quranic terms in question). The (semitic) root slm is indeed related to soundness, wholeness, or healthiness And qlb can be translated as 'heart' the inner core/center which is responsible for our thoughts and feelings; ie. the seat of the faculty of reason ~ the mind]

      SLM

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        Man_of_Faith
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        Arabic in Quran is really unique. And so misunderstood.

        I think people too rarely ponder upon how this language actually works intrinsically. It is very abstract and on spiritual level and has special markers when it is concrete vs. abstract. Words very literally say what they want to say, in the way of a mental image.

        And its letters exist in Hebrew with the same meaning albeit different symbols. And Hebrew has different grammar and words although not entirely foreign.

        Arabic feels like Hebrew 2.0.

        Salaam

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          Bahman
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          Peace
          Welcome )

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            Bahman
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            Why bookless God?
            Why ---less God?

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              Jafar
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              @Bahman
              Wishing you good luck on your campaign on "Bookless God"

              For many it is "something new"..

              For billions of others it's not new at all.. they have survived their entire history with "Bookless God".

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                Man_of_Faith
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                Books are good, but there is no exclusive book, and one should not stare themselves blind with any of them, and most importantly they must make sure they follow the proper interpretation.

                Be safe
                Amenuel

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                  Osman
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                  Does God need a book to guide us?
                  NO

                  Does God only guide us through a book? or series of books?
                  NO

                  Do we NEED a book to receive guidance from God?
                  NO

                  Do we NEED a book to live a good life?
                  NO

                  Can a book or some books guide us to live a good life?
                  YES

                  If I believe totally in a book, do I need to reject other books as my guidance?
                  NO

                  Do we need books to believe in God?
                  NO

                  Very well put. I completely agree.

                  Is there anyone here who disagrees with what Jafar said? I'd like to know that. I think this is one issue we can all have consensus on.

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                    Man_of_Faith
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                    I agree 100% with Jafar's arguments. I think some may disagree though.

                    Be safe
                    Amenuel

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                      Osman
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                      I agree 100% with Jafar's arguments. I think some may disagree though.

                      Be safe
                      Amenuel

                      Do you think so? I'd like to know on what grounds they disagree. Anyone?

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                        good_logic
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                        Peace.

                        While I agree with some of what jafar has said, GOD sends "words/scripture/..." to teach us and guide us

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                        Then, Adam received from his Lord words, whereby He redeemed him. He is the Redeemer, Most Merciful.

                        So the fact remains we have a "book" from GOD, regardless .

                        GOD bless you.
                        Peace.

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                          Osman
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                          Peace.

                          While I agree with some of what jafar has said, GOD sends "words/scripture/..." to teach us and guide us

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                          Then, Adam received from his Lord words, whereby He redeemed him. He is the Redeemer, Most Merciful.

                          So the fact remains we have a "book" from GOD, regardless .

                          GOD bless you.
                          Peace.

                          Peace good logic,

                          But for those multitudes of people who were not exposed to the Qur'an Jafar's comments do ring true do they not?

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                            hawk99
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                            Peace,

                            Folks believe in God and believe that Jesus is God or God is nature or
                            God and the devil are equal or that God needs people to sacrifice virgins
                            or children or the sun is God or pharaoh is God and many other
                            misconceptions about God.

                            Reason for the quran To correct misconceptions and to guide.

                            16/63 By Allah, most certainly We sent (messengers) to nations before
                            you, but the Shaitan made their deeds fair-seeming to them, so he is
                            their guardian today, and they shall have a painful punishment.

                            16/64 And We have not revealed to you the Book except that you may
                            make clear to them that about which they differ, and (as) a guidance
                            and a mercy for a people who believe.

                            Ex. to the Jews Yes, Jesus is indeed the messiah, To the Christians
                            No, Jesus is not Allah,to the christians will you reject Muhammad as
                            the jews rejected Jesus?

                            When this scripture came to them from GOD, and even though
                            it agrees with, and confirms what they have, and even though they
                            used to prophesy its advent when they talked with the disbelievers,
                            when their own prophecy came to pass, they disbelieved therein.
                            GOD's condemnation thus afflicts
                            the disbelievers.

                            Quran The Ultimate Reference

                            Then we revealed to you this scripture, truthfully, confirming previous
                            scriptures, and superseding them. You shall rule among them in accordance
                            with GOD's revelations, and do not follow their wishes if they differ from the
                            truth that came to you. For each of you, we have decreed laws and different
                            rites. Had GOD willed, He could have made you one congregation. But He
                            thus puts you to the test through the revelations He has given each of you.
                            You shall compete in righteousness. To GOD is your final destiny?all of you?
                            then He will inform you of everything you had disputed.

                            God bless

                            peace

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                              good_logic
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                              Peace Osman.

                              Past people are not our concern. They were exposed to other messages?GOD knows about them and will deal with them with justice. Since Adam,GOD has been sending messages with messengers? We cannot comment as we do not know what they received?

                              We live in the present and We have Qoran.

                              GOD bless you.
                              Peace.

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                                Osman
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                                Peace Osman.

                                Past people are not our concern. They were exposed to other messages?GOD knows about them and will deal with them with justice. Since Adam,GOD has been sending messages with messengers? We cannot comment as we do not know what they received?

                                We live in the present and We have Qoran.

                                GOD bless you.
                                Peace.

                                There are many people right here right now, billions in fact who have not been exposed.

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                                  mmkhan
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                                  Salaamun,

                                  I was not aware of this thread. wow

                                  Please take a look at this thread.

                                  May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
                                  mmKhan

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                                    Timotheus
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                                    Short answer no, however they are a guidance and a healing for believers and God says that the believers will accept the books of God, and only the disbelievers reject them.

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                                      Jafar
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                                      There are many people right here right now, billions in fact who have not been exposed.

                                      Yet they received much better guidance..

                                      Native Islander Homer, why are you building a chapel?
                                      Homer Because you are all terrible sinners.
                                      Native Islander Since when?
                                      Homer Since I got here. Now either grab a stone or go to Hell.
                                      (Natives panic and rush to build the chapel.)
                                      -- Homer Simpson, Missionary Impossible Episode

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                                        good_logic
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                                        Peace Osman.

                                        "666" is with us. There will not be a single person who will not have the "internet" in a bit!

                                        By the way "666" is "www" in Arabic .The value of w -waw in Arabic- in abjad "old numbers" is 6.

                                        Of course billions will ignore. That I agree with.

                                        Also for your information,I was in Africa a couple of years ago,I met this tribe called "Tuareg" in the sahara,. One of the sheperds had a mobile phone,he was using the internet to track down the weather to check where the rain was falling. I thought where is he getting the signal from? And he has never been educated .They do not even have a village.They live as nomads in tents and move about with their livestock. However,now days Education is slowly reaching all these places on earth slowly but surely.
                                        GOD knows His message is going to go universal.
                                        GOD bless you.
                                        Peace.

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                                          Osman
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                                          Peace Good logic,

                                          Also for your information,I was in Africa a couple of years ago,I met this tribe called "Tuareg" in the sahara,. One of the sheperds had a mobile phone,he was using the internet to track down the weather to check where the rain was falling. I thought where is he getting the signal from? And he has never been educated .They do not even have a village.They live as nomads in tents and move about with their livestock. However,now days Education is slowly reaching all these places on earth slowly but surely.
                                          GOD knows His message is going to go universal.
                                          GOD bless you.
                                          Peace.

                                          So by saying this you mean that the Qur'an has reached everyone on Earth?

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