Out of Curiosity.......
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Peace "Progressive",
Once youve understood that its about food in general and each INDIVIDUAL who eats must mention the name of God on their food, this will become clear to you.
Perhaps you've misunderstood. I am not asking for advice therefore my understanding, or lack thereof, is irrelevant to the question I posed.
Truthseeker, peace!
Where to start?! I'll write you an exhaustive list of questions when I have a bit more time, Insha'Allah.
Salaam.
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Peace "Progressive",
Perhaps you've misunderstood. I am not asking for advice therefore my understanding, or lack thereof, is irrelevant to the question I posed.
I know. You asked others opinion and what they practice. However, that is irrelevant since snything but following God's law is idol worship.
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Salaam,
I know. You asked others opinion and what they practice. However, that is irrelevant since snything but following God's law is idol worship.
Thank you for your opinion.
I am very interested in different people's opinion and welcome other people's contributions to this thread as well.
Sajda.
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This verse clarifies it better,
Quran 6145
Say, "I do not find within that which was revealed to me forbidden to one who would eat it unless it be a dead animal or blood spilled out or the flesh of swine - for indeed, it is impure -
or it be disobedience, dedicated to other than Allah .
But whoever is forced , neither desiring nor transgressing , then indeed, your Lord is Forgiving and Merciful."Prophet revealed to say, "i do not find anything forbidden to one unless its a dead animal
or blood spilled out or swine flesh, since they are impure,
or something thats not sourced in proper goodness(Allah's) ways.
But still if someone consumes such food forced by necessity and within a limit for ones survival, its no problem.
God is forgiving and merciful"Here there are two things, one is physical impurity related to health and hygiene, the other is the way the food comes to us and the most important part of the verse is the first line, ie some people inventing lies on so and so foods prohibited in the name of God, that we should be aware of.
As of me I will limit eating meat if there are other sources of food available plenty, that gives the same nutrients and will
definitely pray that the food i eat should come from a proper way and think about it before purchasing and consuming. -
Salam es.
On this topic my stance is same as earlier expressed by progressive1993 and Good Logic.
For your other question - if I do eat meat from animals "sacrificed" in sunni way - yes OF COURSE I do. Claiming such meat to be haram would be another innovation in the name of God.
However, if I am aware that an animal has been donated for slaughter (sunni way or otherwise) at the mazaar (mausoleum) / grave of a dead saint (sunni or otherwise), presumably in the hope of extra "blessings"... I would consider such meat haram falling in the category "what is dedicated to other than God".
May Allah guide us all to the straight route.
Regards,
Arman -
Salaam,
Where I live all meat is "halal slaughtered", so it is not much to say, but I disagree that the method is necessary for it to be perfectly drained of blood. And there will always be small quantities of blood remaining in the animal no matter how you do.
The passage speaks of blood in general and for its consumption and it stems from rules of the 'Children of Israel' and that blood is life. But it is also the deliberate consumption of blood alone. Blood is also not suitable for consumption. It is not only because of a dogmatic rule.
As for "mentioning Allah" that is a false translation because it says "regard Allah" as it is a creation of the Rabb. Dhekr has more of a meaning of regard/honor someone than remember.
As for haraam the word means sanctified, but that is another story. The interpreters of the dark ages disregarded that before haraam it says anema (ا which is supposed to say "It (is) not" as a compound of and . By other words it says that the stuff is not recommended/goodly for consumption.
And as for already dead animals this is obvious. Not even atheist hunters take an animal that has died on its own. It has to do with the risk of contamination and disease.
Salaam
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Salaam Arman,
Salam es.
On this topic my stance is same as earlier expressed by progressive1993 and Good Logic.
For your other question - if I do eat meat from animals "sacrificed" in sunni way - yes OF COURSE I do. Claiming such meat to be haram would be another innovation in the name of God.
However, if I am aware that an animal has been donated for slaughter (sunni way or otherwise) at the mazaar (mausoleum) / grave of a dead saint (sunni or otherwise), presumably in the hope of extra "blessings"... I would consider such meat haram falling in the category "what is dedicated to other than God".
May Allah guide us all to the straight route.
Regards,
ArmanThank you for the explanation. My understanding is such that I agree with you on every single point, theoretically. I will explain my perspective on this later and also some reservations which I have.
Peace.
Sajda.
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Salam es
For me method of slaughtering is not an issue but saying bismillah before eating it. In fact I say bismillah on everything I eat. I do eat meat bought from stores who claim it is slaughtered in sunni way and I also eat lawful meat from other stores. There has to be a wisdom in not explaining how to slaughter an animal in The Qur'an.
Peace -
Salam es
There has to be a wisdom in not explaining how to slaughter an animal in The Qur'an.
PeaceOf course, it is not the book for a Pagan religion.
Salaam
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How many people eat "halal" meat slaughtered according to traditional Sunni methods through wilful choice?
Also, what are the environmental, "moral", "philosophical", et cetera factors you take into consideration when making choices about what to eat?
I lived in the area where 'halal' meat is easily accessible, so I eat homemade meat the comes from the halal meat shops. Finding the right meat is not tricky at all.
But I have to make tough choices about food containing alcohol. I once ate the caramel popcorn with rum, and didn't know about it until my someone told me about it. It's not easy to find food that mentions the containing of alcohol or wine. There are even cuisines and food packets from supermarket that are cooked with wine or alcohol without a direct mention.
As for moral factors, I usually eat homemade food rather than outside street food. I avoid eating fried and heavy food and use olive oil for cooking. I also don't drink frizzy drinks but that is because I simply don't like the taste of it.
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Oh God. You really think about your health. No junk food people here alright.
Salaam
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Oh well. They use to say you become what you it. It is quite literal.
Salaam
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Salamun alaik Arman,
For your other question - if I do eat meat from animals "sacrificed" in sunni way - yes OF COURSE I do. Claiming such meat to be haram would be another innovation in the name of God.
The sunni way is to make the animal face the pagan black cube idol of Allat while sacrificing. They say that if faced any other way it would become haram. Wouldn't that make the animal sacrificed to other than Allah (53)?
Regards
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Peace N00B,
I lived in the area where 'halal' meat is easily accessible, so I eat homemade meat the comes from the halal meat shops. Finding the right meat is not tricky at all.
The meat that comes from halal meat shops has antibiotics and hormones artificially given to the animals, the consumption of which can cause cancer and drug resistance in bacteria causing the appearance of deadly bacterial strains that are drug resistant to even the most powerful antibiotics. Those animals are also fed GMO foods, which go into your body when you ingest the meat of those animals. Those GMO foods can cause a variety of health issues.
The ONLY meat that should be eaten nowadays is organic meat, obtained from grass fed and pasture raised animals/birds that are fed organic diet which is free of GMOs.
When you eat meat that contains all these poisons, it is not "tayyabaat" and you violate 55
55 Today, the good things (tayyabaat) have been made lawful to you.........................
But I have to make tough choices about food containing alcohol. I once ate the caramel popcorn with rum, and didn't know about it until my someone told me about it. It's not easy to find food that mentions the containing of alcohol or wine. There are even cuisines and food packets from supermarket that are cooked with wine or alcohol without a direct mention.
The alcohol completely evaporates from the food cooked in it and not even a trace of it remains.
As for moral factors, I usually eat homemade food rather than outside street food. I avoid eating fried and heavy food and use olive oil for cooking. I also don't drink frizzy drinks but that is because I simply don't like the taste of it.
Make sure it is organic food which does not contain toxic pesticides otherwise it is not "tayyabaat". Try to use refined virgin organic coconut oil for frying and unrefined virgin organic coconut oil for regular cooking, because coconut oil does not get oxidized when cooked. Olive oil gets about 20% oxidized when cooked which causes formation of toxic free radicals which cause damage in the body. That is why health conscious people take anti-oxidants, to neutralize the toxic free radicals in the body. Try to use extra virgin cold pressed organic olive oil only for salads or to pour over prepared food.
May the infinite Creator guide us to the truth.
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Salamun alaik Arman,
The sunni way is to make the animal face the pagan black cube idol of Allat while sacrificing. They say that if faced any other way it would become haram. Wouldn't that make the animal sacrificed to other than Allah (53)?
Regards
Really? I've never heard this before.
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Salaam Sajda,
Really? I've never heard this before.
Sunni method
"3. To face the slaughter?s neck towards the direction of the Qiblah (i.e direction of prayer-Ka^bah in Makkah) and for the slaughterer to also face his body in the direction of the Qiblah when slaughtering. This practice is in the tradition of Prophet Muhammad as relayed by the two renowned scholars of Islam Al-Bukhariy and Muslim and because the Qiblah is the most honourable direction to face."
http//www.alsunna.org/The-Islamic-Slaughtering-Method-Zabiha.html#gsc.tab=0
"A Zabiha Specialist should know how to face the animals towards the qibla to the best of his/her ability."
http//nemahalal.com/faq/
"The slaughter is to be approved by several religious authorities. Another condition is that when the slaughter is done the animal should be facing Qibla, which is the direction where Mecca is located."
http//www.pakbutchers.co.uk/halal.html
"According to Islamic tradition, the animal is brought to the place of slaughter and laid down gently so as to not injure it. It is Sunnah but not Fard that the head of the animal be facing the Qiblah."
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dhabihah
Shia method
"(iii) When an animal is slaughtered, it should be facing Qibla. If the animal is sitting or standing, then facing Qibla would be like a man standing towards Qibla while praying. And if it is lying on its right or left side, then its neck and stomach should be facing Qibla. It is not necessary that its legs, hands and face be towards Qibla. If a person who knows the rule, purposely ignores placing the animal towards Qibla, the animal would become haraam; but if he forgets or does not know the rule, or makes a mistake in ascertaining the Qibla, or does not know the direction of Qibla, or is unable to turn the animal towards Qibla, there is no objection. As a recommended precaution, the person slaughtering should also face Qibla."
http//www.al-islam.org/islamic-laws-ayatullah-al-uzma-sayyid-ali-al-husaini-seestani/slaughtering-and-hunting-animals
"2605. If one wants to slaughter a camel so that it becomes Pak and halal after it has died, it is necessary to follow the above mentioned conditions for slaughter and then thrust a knife or any other sharp implement made of iron into the hollow between its neck and chest. It is better that the camel at that time is standing. But if it has knelt down, or if it is lying on its side with its face towards Qibla, the knife etc. can be thrust into the hollow of its neck for slaughtering."
http//islamic-laws.com/tawzeh/256.html
Regards