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GODsubmitter

Peace,

I agree and this is what I tried to show in my opening post of this thread.

I also feel that rituals are burden but we have to follow it because it is how Allah guided many of us only because of our level towards Him. If we upgrade in our grades/levels then surely Allah makes things easy for us and may remove all the rituals/burden from us. BUT we have to be honest to ourselves and have to follow what Allah has guided us to.

May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
mmKhan

I like this remark, and was very glad to read it, I agree!

reel

Peace reel, turn to your lord in the way that is best for you, rituals included
or excluded. Allah has given us a means of approach and contact and has
not left us without such measures, this is one of the purposes of rituals
given to Abraham and later to us. If rituals have no value why were they given to Abraham?

Yes brother, but ritual is not ritual when it is done thinking more about the postures than focusing on Allah. My sis still prays in traditional way (sectarian stuffs removed), but since sun goes down now at 830pm she keeps complaining about the prayers. I admit that I was like that also before turning to Quran However, now its pretty different. For me, the intention matters and not sitting and standing up.

hawk99

Yes brother, but ritual is not ritual when it is done thinking more about the postures than focusing on Allah. My sis still prays in traditional way (sectarian stuffs removed), but since sun goes down now at 830pm she keeps complaining about the prayers. I admit that I was like that also before turning to Quran However, now its pretty different. For me, the intention matters and not sitting and standing up.

Peace reel, If what Allah has commanded you to do is too difficult and
a hardship, then do what is best for you. I recommend our continuing study of
Quran to bring the truth to light.

These are GOD's revelations; we recite them to you, truthfully.
GOD does not wish any hardship for the people.

I agree and this is what I tried to show in my opening post of this thread.

I also feel that rituals are burden but we have to follow it because it is how Allah guided many of us only because of our level towards Him. If we upgrade in our grades/levels then surely Allah makes things easy for us and may remove all the rituals/burden from us. BUT we have to be honest to ourselves and has to follow what Allah has guided us to.

May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
mmKhan

Peace brother mmKhan, burden can also be considered as duty to Allah.
Muhammad and the believers had a far greater burden/duty. They went
to war, were ostracized, killed, persecuted, and slandered, they observed Ramadan,
salat, zakat, and hajj. I on the other hand live a life of wealth and peace,
so compared to them I have no room to complain. I think we can agree
that the rituals need to be fixed, but not by selfish desire but by Quran Kareem.

God bless

peace

JavaLatte

Muhammad and the believers had a far greater burden/duty.

*nod

reel

Peace reel, If what Allah has commanded you to do is too difficult and
a hardship, then do what is best for you. I recommend our continuing study of
Quran to bring the truth to light.

These are GOD's revelations; we recite them to you, truthfully.
GOD does not wish any hardship for the people.

Peace brother mmKhan, burden can also be considered as duty to Allah.
Muhammad and the believers had a far greater burden/duty. They went
to war, were ostracized, killed, persecuted, and slandered, they observed Ramadan,
salat, zakat, and hajj. I on the other hand live a life of wealth and peace,
so compared to them I have no room to complain. I think we can agree
that the rituals need to be fixed, but not by selfish desire but by Quran Kareem.

God bless

peace

Is it okayeven if I think about Kim Kardashian and her dad's sex change during the prayer? Does that make the ritual valid?

good_logic

Peace.

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You shall seek help through steadfastness and the Salat. This is difficult indeed, but not so for the reverent,

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who believe that they will meet their Lord; that to Him they ultimately return.

The fog will lift and the mind will be clear. The connection to the Lord cleans the mind.
GOD bless.
Peace.

hawk99

Is it okay even if I think about Kim Kardashian and her dad's sex change during the prayer? Does that make the ritual valid?

Peace reel, what you think about is between you and Allah
therefore ask Allah for the answer to your question.

God bless

Peace.

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You shall seek help through steadfastness and the Salat. This is difficult indeed, but not so for the reverent,

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who believe that they will meet their Lord; that to Him they ultimately return.

The fog will lift and the mind will be clear. The connection to the Lord cleans the mind.
GOD bless.
Peace.

Indeed

agphys

no human being can ever force you to pray, its your own decision. Just read the quran and ask god for guidance and i think most def youll succeed.

agphys

Whenever someone knows the rules (by following what God has sent down, eg the holy quran) and put his trust to the one and only God, then there is no doubt that these will be the pure and righteous, if God wills.

reel

Peace reel, what you think about is between you and Allah
therefore ask Allah for the answer to your question.

God bless

I would think of it as disrespect to Creator.

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You shall seek help through steadfastness and the Salat. This is difficult indeed, but not so for the reverent,

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who believe that they will meet their Lord; that to Him they ultimately return.

Agree, but what if it is not about difficulty but the idea that salat is all I need to do as mere an everyday task. The reason why I asked that question is because of something I was told years ago by a friend. I told the story in another thread, but wouldn't mind mentioning it here once again. One of my friends told me she thought of celebrities during her salat. I asked her are you sure it is right and she replied "whats wrong with that?"

peace

Man_of_Faith

Reel,

The Rabb is not a man with human traits that you think it is disrespectful to speak with.

Be well

hafeez_kazi

Peace

The fact is that hardly anyone remembers Allah in his salat

If you really want to remember Allah then

Verily in the creation of the heavens and the earth and in the alternation of the night and the day are signs Unto the men of understanding. Who remember Allah while standing or sitting or on their sides and give thought to the creation of the heavens and the earth, , "Our Lord, You did not create this aimlessly; exalted are You ; then protect us from the punishment of the Fire. (Aali Imraan 191)

When we can remember Allah while standing or sitting or lying on sides then why we need to offer the robotic ritual Salat?

O you who have believed, remember Allah with much remembrance (Al-Ahzaab 41)

And remember thou the name of thy Lord in the morning and in the evening. (Al-Insaan 25)

And remember your Lord within yourself in humility and in fear without being apparent in speech - in the mornings and the evenings. And do not be among the heedless. (Al-A'raaf 205)

Remember Me wherefore, and I shall remember you and unto Me give thanks, and be not ingrate unto Me. (Al-Baqara 152)

And those who, when they commit an immorality or wrong themselves , remember Allah and seek forgiveness for their sins - and who can forgive sins except Allah? - and do not persist in what they have done while they know. (Aali Imraan 135)

If Salat is established for the remembrance of Allah then what is the remembrance of Allah in the following verses?

men whom neither commerce nor sale distracts from the remembrance of Allah and (from) establishing the prayer (established for the remembrance of Allah) and giving of zakah. They fear a Day in which the hearts and eyes will turn about 2437

Distraction from the REMEMBRANCE of Allah as well as from ESTABLISHING the Salat (established for the remembrance of Allah). HOW?

Satan only wants to cause between you animosity and hatred through intoxicants and gambling and to avert you from the remembrance of Allah and (from) salat.(established from the remembrance of Allah) So will you not desist? 591

Satan averts from the REMEMBRANCE of Allah as well as from the Salat (established for the remembrance of Allah). HOW?

For remembering Allah there is no need of ritual Salat and in ritual Salat there is no remembrance of Allah except recitation without understanding.

JavaLatte

The fact is that hardly anyone remembers Allah in his salat

The fact? How do you know about that? Can you read people's mind & heart when they perform ritual salat?

I wonder why you seem very dislike the ritual salat? Why?

Why you seem to against it very hard?

Whether you don' like if we do the ritual?

If there are people who enjoy (or feel comfort, or even feel obliged) for doing ritual prayer and they do it for Allah alone, then I think we should let them do it.

After all, this kind of ritual doesn't harm us, right?

Whether they (the members who perform ritual) force us to do the similar ritual?

No, I don't feel they force me to do that.

And perhaps, beside their ritual, they also do many other good deeds which are supported by the Qur'an, so in this case, I think they also follow the the other messages of Qur'an (aside doing the ritual).

And perhaps they also remember Allah a lot in their daily lives (outside the ritual times).

When we can remember Allah while standing or sitting or lying on sides then why we need to offer the robotic ritual Salat?

Blue I think this is quite disrespectful.

If they sincerely doing that for their Lord, to please Him, then it's inappropriate for us to use "negative name calling" toward their ritual.

I think we should not insult their ritual, especially if they found that the ritual benefits them.

Peace.

hicham9

Qurnic lh () has naught to do with the Sunni tradition of namaz!

SLM

JavaLatte

Qurnic lh (&#1607 has naught to do with the Sunni tradition of namaz!

I don't against what you wrote above (neither agree nor disagree, because I still need study more about the meaning of Salat).

however, what I disagree is that if we insult those who perform the ritual salat (for God alone) or put name calling toward their ritual.

hafeez_kazi

peace

I wonder why you seem very dislike the ritual salat? Why?

Because it is unquranic

Why you seem to against it very hard?

Because it is fabricated (not by the prophet)

Whether you don' like if we do the ritual?

Its their choice let them do whatever they want. Who am I to stop them?

If there are people who enjoy (or feel comfort, or even feel obliged) for doing ritual prayer and they do it for Allah alone, then I think we should let them do it.

Who is stopping them

After all, this kind of ritual doesn't harm us, right?

Neither it benefits the believers.

Whether they (the members who perform ritual) force us to do the similar ritual?

No, I don't feel they force me to do that.

Did I force anyone to stop from praying ritually?

And perhaps, beside their rituals, they also do many other good deeds which are supported by the Qur'an, so in this case, I think they also follow the the other messages of Qur'an (aside doing the ritual).

And perhaps they also remember Allah a lot in their daily lives (outside the ritual times).

How do you know? Are you god?

Blue I think this is quite disrespectful.

What should I call an action of ups and downs without understanding.

If they sincerely doing that for their Lord, to please Him, then it's inappropriate for us to use "negative name calling" toward their ritual.

Prove that ritual salat pleases ALLAH?

I think we should not insult their ritual, especially if they found that the ritual benefits them.

You are going to the EXTREME. I did not insult anyone. If their ritual salat benefits them then Alhamdulillah it is good for them

Instead of replying me in a sarcastic way you could have pondered on what I wrote and tried to understand the difference between the salat and the remembrance of Allah.

agphys

"
In summary, the method of observing the salat is as follows

A"uzu b"Allah min Al-Shaytan Al-Rajeem (I seek refuge in God from Satan the rejected" (based on 169

Recite some verses (Based on 2945).

Allahu Akbar (God is the Greatest) to be spoken frequently (based on 2185 and 17111).
Sobhan Rabi Al-Azeem (Praise my Lord the Great) (based on 5674).
Sobhan Rabi Al-Aala (Praise my Lord the Most High) (based on 871).
Ash"hadu ana la illaha ila Allah (I bear witness that there is no God other than God) (based on 31.
Al-Hamdu l"Allah alazee lam yatakhez waladan, wa lam yakun lahu shareek fee al mulk, wa lam yakun lahu waleyon min al zol (Praise be to God who has never begotten a son, nor does He have a partner in His kingship, nor does He need an ally out of weakness) (based on 17111).
The Salat concludes with the words Al-Hamdu l"Allah Rab Al-Alameen (Praise be to God, Lord of the Universe) (based on 1010).
"

http//www.progressive-muslim.org/What-to-say-in-salah-prayer.htm

Novice

Lets take an example.

You hire an employee and explained him the duties he needs to perform during his shift.

When shift is about to end You check your employee and found him standing in a corner and repeating aloud "my employer is great" and he has not performed his duties.

What will you do?...become happy that your servant is praising you endlessly since his shift started irrespective of the fact that he has not done his job.

On the other hand you found that your servant has fulfilled his duties and while performing his duties he remembered you by remembering your instructions and being apprehensive that if job is not done right you will be unhappy.

Which servant will continue his job and who will be fired? Decision is yours..Peace

hicham9

"In summary, the method of observing the salat is as follows

A"uzu b"Allah min Al-Shaytan Al-Rajeem (I seek refuge in God from Satan the rejected" (based on 169
Recite some verses (Based on 2945).
Allahu Akbar (God is the Greatest) to be spoken frequently (based on 2185 and 17111).
Sobhan Rabi Al-Azeem (Praise my Lord the Great) (based on 5674).
Sobhan Rabi Al-Aala (Praise my Lord the Most High) (based on 871).
Ash"hadu ana la illaha ila Allah (I bear witness that there is no God other than God) (based on 31.
Al-Hamdu l"Allah alazee lam yatakhez waladan, wa lam yakun lahu shareek fee al mulk, wa lam yakun lahu waleyon min al zol (Praise be to God who has never begotten a son, nor does He have a partner in His kingship, nor does He need an ally out of weakness) (based on 17111).
The Salat concludes with the words Al-Hamdu l"Allah Rab Al-Alameen (Praise be to God, Lord of the Universe) (based on 1010)."

http//www.progressive-muslim.org/What-to-say-in-salah-prayer.htm

Sigh*

agphys

Sigh*

When you call to the Contact Prayers (Salat), they mock and ridicule it. This is because they are people who do not understand.
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