Time To Change Your Paradigm

Zulf

I think globe earthers are no exceptional.

Yes, nobody is an exception. People are people, and people are complex. In one area we might be open minded and unbiased, while in another area we might be emotional and exhibit clouded judgement. This is the nature of the human being. We have that box over our shoulders, called the brain. The brain and the mind often carry us away.
If there is anyone or anything that has lied to us, it is our brain and mind! Our mind and brain is the greatest trickster in our lives, yet we take whatever it says for truth. We literally fool ourselves.

They can't even question or don't bother to ask what they are being taught from childhood.

This is an extreme statement akin to "all black are like xyz", "muslims always xyz", "blue collar worker are xyz"
There is no "they" here. There is no such thing as "round earthers", just like there is no such thing as "flat earthers". Such terminology is used to create division, separation and conflict. The emotional mind, or devil perhaps, sows hatred and prejudice by using such generalizations.

Second of all, just because something is being taught from childhood, doesn't make it false. It's only wrong if it remains unquestioned. Both old ideas as well as new ideas may be false. This is something we have to work out. We have to do our best to establish what makes sense and what doesn't, and we should not fall into a false dichotomy. Also, just because something is commonly accepted, it doesn't matter it is false. Is trigonometry false e.g.?

Say, you have a good post on this forum and that I agree with,then whats wrong to share that as my own view with my friend? If my friend is clever enough he may refute whats in the post and won't quarrel whether it is second handed or lousy or where it come from.

You're right. However, people may refute something, but this refutation not be accepted by other people, no matter it is true or not. People don't care too much about how true something is. People mostly care about feeling comfortable. The most horrible thing the mind can experience is a threat to itself, a threat to it's own identity, it's very being.

As far as flat vs round earth goes, one can put up a list of issues and then everyone can evaluate the flat explanation vs the round explanation. But this never happens. People talk parallel to each other. It's a two way monologue, not a dialogue. And this is usually can case when human being debate. Both sides are trying to win the battle, regardless of the truth of the matter. This is normal in politics and religion, and on a even more primitive way in sports. So, for those who are really serious about researching the flat vs round earth, they should list the different issues and then look into them one by one. Like e.g. "law of perspective". Things don't need to get complicated, so there's no need to bring up advanced topics that nobody understands, like black holes or whatever theories there are. Also, we should stick with what we can observe and use simple methods of making sense of things. Geometry and trigonometry is not complicated. But when we start off by involving NASA or UN logos, counting occult numbers etc, then we're not being serious. We should not start off by claiming everything is a lie (without being able to prove it) and then cherry pick what is true to fit one's point of view.

In the end, it's about being honest to oneself. People will always have different points of view on everything anyway.
It is also of utmost importance to rise above differences and work them out (even if there is no solution). Division is harmful.

Peace and best wishes
sun

theAlchemist

This is an extreme statement

Sorry brother, I didn't write it that way,my bad (

It's only wrong if it remains unquestioned

Absolutely,I was trying to make this point.

Thank you
Be well

z.neion

JavaLatte

I highly agree with you,sister.

Thank you, brother.

It's nice to know you understand that.

But the fact is that we are being ridiculed from the very beginning.Indeed pathetic

This is saddening, yes.

However though, at least we tried, and I'm thankful that there are more members who also believe the flat earth.

I'm glad that I'm not alone in this.

Salaam.

JavaLatte

Interesting video! ... and not about the flat earth. peace

http//3.bp.blogspot.com/-KZ7zG3cC7DE/UaaH36I1BTI/AAAAAAAAEFU/kwXz1jWid0o/s1600/finger-pointing-to-right.png Meet Your Strawman!
http//coffeetablecongress.com/Straw-Man%20animation.gif#strawman%20500x600
That image is rather frightening for me... (I don't like strawman).

Zulf

Peace all,
Some general thoughts

I wonder what people would like to have instead of the things they call evil governments etc.
Would anarchy be better where it is really eat or be eaten?
What is the alternative to our current day's governments?
Forget a system based on quran alone or whatever. Will never happen, at least not under the name of religion.
So what do we want if we are so unhappy with taxes, birth certificates and the like? What should it be like?

All those who look for pyramid shapes, number 33s, check patterns, single eyes etc and who feel that they are being enslaved and controlled by a covert ruling elite.... what would they want instead? Or are they happy to keep looking for the masonry symbols and just remain living in a distasteful sense of being ruled. What is the alternative? Does the human being have the capacity to create a good, fair, free and open system for themselves? No! There is no "they" who rule us. Even the rulers are human beings, no matter if they organize themselves in fraternities or secrets clubs. They are still human beings like all of us. It's just that they have been endowed with some talents in the field of speaking, analyzing, reading, influencing, planning, imagining etc, and they use it for their own benefit. Greed and lust for power in combination with talents and skills make people rise to power. But they are still people like us. Such ruling groups would prop up even in anarchy settings. The current situation is the most natural outcome, at the given place and time, in our world. It is our minds and personalities that make our world. There is no real "us and them". Some climb the ladder because they can.

Don't fall into the devilish trap of separation and division. Don't create more enemies and hostile situation in your mind. Don't create negativity. You are only poisoning yourself. All the evil of this world is here, nobody can deny it, but it is due the the human race. This is what we have to deal with. What we have to do is to rise above and better ourselves. Soon enough we'll die, and we'll only pay for our own deeds. So don't make illuminati-research a hobby of yours. What will you do about it? So if you recognize symbols and stuff. Then what? Now what? Why are we looking for checkered patterns and pyramid shapes?

good_logic

Peace Zulf.

Can I add more to your thoughts?

There is only one system, GOD s system. The rest is all an illusion,I will elaborate.

Those who submit and accept GOD s system will not be part of the world s systems. To them everything that has to do with this world ,like money ,property,riches,... are "Ceaser s" ,so they render to "Ceaser what is Ceaser s"..They are not part of it.

Their real leader, the Creator has given them a set of instructions, a good system that will really unite them,save them,cleanses them and fills them with love,love for all the creation even those who oppose GOD s system and follow the world systems.

They try their best everyday and work on themselves without judging or hating others. They do their best to give the example and live in peace with everyone.

May the Lord bless all His people and unite them.
GOD bless you.
Peace.

FreedomStands

Peace Zulf.

Can I add more to your thoughts?

There is only one system, GOD s system. The rest is all an illusion,I will elaborate.

Those who submit and accept GOD s system will not be part of the world s systems. To them everything that has to do with this world ,like money ,property,riches,... are "Ceaser s" ,so they render to "Ceaser what is Ceaser s"..They are not part of it.

Their real leader, the Creator has given them a set of instructions, a good system that will really unite them,save them,cleanses them and fills them with love,love for all the creation even those who oppose GOD s system and follow the world systems.

They try their best everyday and work on themselves without judging or hating others. They do their best to give the example and live in peace with everyone.

May the Lord bless all His people and unite them.
GOD bless you.
Peace.

The eyes in the pyramid, the horned hand, and all those things can be taken as signs of Allah. There is only one ruler of the whole world, and only one government, and that is Allah's ruling power and governance, the rest are only puppets and agents, and nothing happens save as Allah wills, and when their terms are over, they can not increase them even by a moment.

Satan is nothing to be afraid of, because there is something actually scary that even Satan can't save himself from.

agphys

Who would lend God a loan of righteousness, to have it repaid to them multiplied manifold? God is the One who provides and withholds, and to Him you will be returned.
Q. 2245

FreedomStands

Who would lend God a loan of righteousness, to have it repaid to them multiplied manifold? God is the One who provides and withholds, and to Him you will be returned.
Q. 2245

Very good!

noble

Peace,

I am in alignment with most of what @Zulf and @good_logic wrote,

I just add to it that there is Satan and his minions Jinns and Humans who work hand in hand to hypnotise the world away from Allah,

their power is demonic, and only alignment with Quran and Allah can defeat the persistent and relentless brainwashing, psyops and poisoning figuratively and literally we are subjected to.

Satan lives, is not a fantasy, it likes us to believe it is, so we are less aware of what Allah has warned us about,

so yes, there are 2 ropes, one to Allah and one to this world, the latter is quoted in the NT as Caesar's that is correct, but both need to be catered for,

with for the Believer an eye on maintaining and nurturing the former, as it leads to eternal life as opposed to eternal torment.

Education and sharing good information is crucial in this struggle against evil for the sake of our salvation.

JavaLatte

I don't know much about symbolism, to be honest, and I still don't have enough time to investigate about symbolism, perhaps it is important - or perhaps it is not - I don't really know.

But, what I think important is to spread the awareness that we actually do not really have true freedom under the governance, it seems not all people aware about that.

I don't mind at all to be God's slave, but not at all that I want to be the slave of other human.

However, it does not mean that I want to do aggression toward my government, or whatever something like that, but I hope that people aware that the Authority they should obey is actually their God.

In my opinion, spreading this awareness is better rather than just silent/mute about it.

there is Satan and his minions Jinns and Humans who work hand in hand to hypnotise the world away from Allah,

That's what I want the people to be aware of.

hicham9

... there is Satan and his minions Jinns and Humans ...

nope

JavaLatte

nope

Hmm... perhaps you have another understanding about satan or about jinn?

Peace.

hicham9

Salute @JavaLatte

Long story short,
both the coverts (&#1722 and the overts (&#1587 are human*

ie. mortal Adamites.

~ As for l-yn (&#1722, it needs a new thread of its own.

Be sound.

hicham9

Sreh
6128

Man_of_Faith

Yes. Jinn = The Exterior (body) Nas = The Interior (mind/spirit)

Be well

noble

Peace

Satan is a Jinn.

Jinns are non-human sentient entities.

Allah describes the Jinns very well in the Quran as such, only those whose hearts are sealed by pride or ignorance will refute such an obvious Quranic description.

Man_of_Faith

In the sectarian delusion they are something other than the wordly type of humans.

Shaytaan is a word for an instinct or lust to do something that is triggered by the jinn or jannateh (body).

Be well

mmkhan

Salaam,

Back to the original topic.

Day before yesterday I take a shot of moon, here it is.
I am really wondering why and how I don't see the other half of the moon?

http//i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn39/trustedkhan/MoonWithClouds-Small_zpsdakoakdy.jpg

Half moon with clouds.

http//i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn39/trustedkhan/MoonWithClearSky-Small_zps2dnwvb2j.jpg

Half moon with clear sky.

http//i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn39/trustedkhan/MoonWithoutClouds-Small_zpsgykotasx.jpg

Close up of half moon with clear sky.

Moon does not have a solid body? hmm Where is the other half?
Someone who has knowledge about it can please clarify.

May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
mmKhan

FreedomStands