Wish you all the day of Eid be full of blessings that stay perpetually.
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Bender,
Then why do they do it? What reason does "Allah" have?
I said it is contradictory to gluttonously eat a lot of food over multiple days and it forsakes the reason they fasted in the first place.
RED Like I said they do it because they think Allah ordered them to do it. There are also some who do it because they are afraid of being harassed by their family/society and some do it just to be part of a group and maybe some other reasons but the biiiiiiig majority do it because they think Allah ordered them to do that.
BLUE If they think Allah ordered them to eat 10 bananas then they will eat 10 bananas. It is not you or me who is ordering them to eat 10 bananas so that they can question us for the reason behind it but it's Allah Himself. Not doing it is equal to disobeying Allah.
GREEN They fast from food and drink BUT the reason why they fast is not food related. Why some waste food or overeat after fasting may be caused by hunger, they overestimate how much they can eat OR because they want to prepare for the next day so eat more than normal OR just because eating a lot has never been a sin or some other reasons. But the point is that the whole idea behind the fasting from food and drink was never food/drink related.
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nope The Eid is not part of the deen however, I appreciate you thinking for me. handshake
Especially for you I had this part "There are also some who do it because they are afraid of being harassed by their family/society and some do it just to be part of a group and maybe some other reasons but the biiiiiiig majority do it because they think Allah ordered them to do that."
I guess you missed that part.I am 100% sure you belong to one of those groups yes
Eid is not part of YOUR deen for billion others it is.
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Allah has never prohibited to have a feast. Allah forbids evil.
Celebrating eid is only forbidden when evil is involved.But those who celebrate eid will automatically do the rituals, and the rituals are found in the hadiths, hence it is sinful...
Also, the whole idea of eid al Fitr and eid al Adha are from hadiths...You won't find their name in Quran, but hadiths mention them alot. ALOT.
The evil in this is upholding the hadiths! (Unless you find proof in Quran about celebrating both eids and doing the rituals)
http//ahadith.co.uk/chapter.php?cid=54Read how many times they are mentioned.
Salam
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Like I said they do it because they think Allah ordered them to do it. There are also some who do it because they are afraid of being harassed by their family/society and some do it just to be part of a group and maybe some other reasons but the biiiiiiig majority do it because they think Allah ordered them to do that.
Or maybe some do it because fasting for odd 30 days or whatever is a feat that deserves a bit of a party. My Irish Catholic friend celebrates Lent by breaking open bags of chocolate and cookies (he usually fasts sugar), meeting up with family and friends and generally making a day of it. There's also St. Patrick's day in the middle and the traditional break but lets not go there. Invariably around the 'conventional' Eid, you'll have a few well wishers getting swarmed by what's the point, it's not allowed, or you're all just brainwashed pagans etc particularly in certain groups on my FB, and I think if they are really so into breaking traditions maybe they can start by not having the annual whinge fest. Then again, there's an another 'big' event yet to come. Looking forward to all the angst all over again, like clockwork ) -
Fine. To think "Allah" ordered something can also be called delusion. But on the other hand, it is apparently easy to become deluded in this world.
The purpose of fasting is still under question if you end it by eating a lot of food. To learn restraint and then act like you have no restraint.
Anyways, we will now enter circular reasoning as the arguments are put forth. I have no more to add.
Be well
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Fine. To think "Allah" ordered something can also be called delusion. But on the other hand, it is apparently easy to become deluded in this world.
The purpose of fasting is still under question if you end it by eating a lot of food. To learn restraint and then act like you have no restraint.
Anyways, we will now enter circular reasoning as the arguments are put forth. I have no more to add.
Be well
AmenuelI stopped fasting in that way too. I never held the rituals of Eid even when I was a sunni.
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But those who celebrate eid will automatically do the rituals, and the rituals are found in the hadiths, hence it is sinful...
Also, the whole idea of eid al Fitr and eid al Adha are from hadiths...You won't find their name in Quran, but hadiths mention them alot. ALOT.
The evil in this is upholding the hadiths! (Unless you find proof in Quran about celebrating both eids and doing the rituals)
http//ahadith.co.uk/chapter.php?cid=54Read how many times they are mentioned.
Salam
Salaam,
I guess you also do not celebrate new years day, halloween, your (or someone elses) birthday, no feast when you (or some else) have a baby, your (or someone else) wedding, etc etc etc
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Or maybe some do it because fasting for odd 30 days or whatever is a feat that deserves a bit of a party. My Irish Catholic friend celebrates Lent by breaking open bags of chocolate and cookies (he usually fasts sugar), meeting up with family and friends and generally making a day of it. There's also St. Patrick's day in the middle and the traditional break but lets not go there. Invariably around the 'conventional' Eid, you'll have a few well wishers getting swarmed by what's the point, it's not allowed, or you're all just brainwashed pagans etc particularly in certain groups on my FB, and I think if they are really so into breaking traditions maybe they can start by not having the annual whinge fest. Then again, there's an another 'big' event yet to come. Looking forward to all the angst all over again, like clockwork
RED hypno You are not allowed to have other friends then muslims, are you not afraid of hell?
btw I fast every night when I go to sleep from food, drink, talk, sight, etc
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Salaam,
I guess you also do not celebrate new years day, halloween, your (or someone elses) birthday, no feast when you (or some else) have a baby, your (or someone else) wedding, etc etc etc
They are all not in the quran.If they are found in hadiths or any other books like the Pauline apistles, then no I wont celebrate it. I would uphold other than Quran and it is sinful.
This is what I mean If a book that isn't from God but is claimed to be from God, divine or dedicated to God (in the sense of rituals), I should avoid them altogether, or I would uphold what God hasn't authorized, example hadiths, pauline epistles...Salam
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RED hypno You are not allowed to have other friends then muslims, are you not afraid of hell?
I know right, I was forced to finish all the biscuits and chocolates they gave with coffees because someone couldn't have sugar. It was almost as if I was being fattened for the eventual feast. It was all very unfriendly.
btw I fast every night when I go to sleep from food, drink, talk, sight, etc
Maybe you could continue that in the daylight hours for the sake of collecting more blessings, I know I'd bless you.If they are found in hadiths or any other books like the Pauline apistles, then no I wont celebrate it. I would uphold other than Quran and it is sinful.
This is what I mean If a book that isn't from God but is claimed to be from God, divine or dedicated to God (in the sense of rituals), I should avoid them altogether, or I would uphold what God hasn't authorized, example hadiths, pauline epistles...Salam
Do you perhaps feel that you're still being unduly affected by the hadiths if you're using it to exclude what you do or don't do other than the Quran?
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I know right, I was forced to finish all the biscuits and chocolates they gave with coffees because someone couldn't have sugar. It was almost as if I was being fattened for the eventual feast. It was all very unfriendly.Maybe you could continue that in the daylight hours for the sake of collecting more blessings, I know I'd bless you.Do you perhaps feel that you're still being unduly affected by the hadiths if you're using it to exclude what you do or don't do other than the Quran?
Sorry, my English isn't that good, I didn't understand last sentence , can you rephrase it?
Salam
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Especially for you I had this part "There are also some who do it because they are afraid of being harassed by their family/society and some do it just to be part of a group and maybe some other reasons but the biiiiiiig majority do it because they think Allah ordered them to do that."
I guess you missed that part.I am 100% sure you belong to one of those groups yes
Eid is not part of YOUR deen for billion others it is.
And The whole ramadan fasting is only part of YOUR deen, it is not you who decides what The Deen is.hmm You still haven't named my group, try again.
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Sorry, my English isn't that good, I didn't understand last sentence , can you rephrase it?
Salam
No worries, I wanted to know what your thoughts are on still using the hadiths and/or sources to decide what you can or cannot do other than the quran? You mention "the whole idea of eid al Fitr and eid al Adha are from hadiths...You won't find their name in Quran, but hadiths mention them alot. ALOT" ...so was curious, that if say, a celebration after a month long fast is mentioned in the hadith but not in the quran and someone decides to celebrate it, you say it's upholding the hadiths and sinful. But if it's not mentioned in the quran, and someone wants to celebrate it...you're using the hadith to decide that it's not on and a sin 'because it's mentioned in it'. That's kinda odd because it means you're using the hadith in some way to justify what is a sin and what isn't. Wouldn't it be better to leave the hadith out of it entirely and use the quran to justify what it is we can or can't do?
If they are found in hadiths or any other books like the Pauline apistles, then no I wont celebrate it. I would uphold other than Quran and it is sinful.
This is what I mean If a book that isn't from God but is claimed to be from God, divine or dedicated to God (in the sense of rituals), I should avoid them altogether, or I would uphold what God hasn't authorized, example hadiths, pauline epistles...
We know that using the hadith/other books in place of the quran for divine directives is iffy, but does this mean that someone who realizes this and isn't doing it because they think God ordained it, also wrong? Just because it's mentioned in the hadith or other books doesn't automatically make it a sin, it's the intention that counts right? -
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No worries, I wanted to know what your thoughts are on still using the hadiths and/or sources to decide what you can or cannot do other than the quran? You mention "the whole idea of eid al Fitr and eid al Adha are from hadiths...You won't find their name in Quran, but hadiths mention them alot. ALOT" ...so was curious, that if say, a celebration after a month long fast is mentioned in the hadith but not in the quran and someone decides to celebrate it, you say it's upholding the hadiths and sinful. But if it's not mentioned in the quran, and someone wants to celebrate it...you're using the hadith to decide that it's not on and a sin 'because it's mentioned in it'. That's kinda odd because it means you're using the hadith in some way to justify what is a sin and what isn't. Wouldn't it be better to leave the hadith out of it entirely and use the quran to justify what it is we can or can't do?
We know that using the hadith/other books in place of the quran for divine directives is iffy, but does this mean that someone who realizes this and isn't doing it because they think God ordained it, also wrong? Just because it's mentioned in the hadith or other books doesn't automatically make it a sin, it's the intention that counts right?The intention,yes.
Though I never use the hadiths to look for laws, I just needed to know if eid al Fitr was a celebration found in Quran, and when I didn't find it, I googled "eid and Quran", and found a site explaining that eid isn't mentioned in the Quran but in the "sunnah of the prophet" (hadiths).
So, we know in Quran we are told we shouldn't uphold other books than the Quran.
If we celebrate Eid al Fitr, then we uphold the hadiths, because it is only found in the hadiths. Quran is against upholding other books than the Quran. We should only uphold the Quran.To answer your question; no, I don't use the hadiths to decide things. I only use the Quran, and explained above why I even mentioned hadiths.
Then finally we must remember this verse;
1736 And do not uphold what you have no knowledge of. For the hearing, eyesight, and heart, all these you are responsible for.
Quran doesn't forbid celebration generally speaking, and it is sinful for me to say that it is forbidden to celebrate, however we must be aware of the origins of the thousands of celebrations, and the consequences of celebrating these.
Salam
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I know right, I was forced to finish all the biscuits and chocolates they gave with coffees because someone couldn't have sugar. It was almost as if I was being fattened for the eventual feast. It was all very unfriendly.
Please don't tell me they were forcing you to eat chocolates like these...
http//www.restaurantgirl.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/chocs.jpg
If so, then I feel really sorry for you. What kind of kafir maniacs are they >
Did you contact the police? If not then you should really do this, we can't have such psychopaths in our society.
You know Savage, I really lost my faith in mankind after your heartbreaking story.
Btw how did you escape? And how are you now? Are you fully recovered? Do you still have nightmares?