Reducing land from its outlying borders ? If Flat Earth real than ?
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I have poited out everal times in this question of flat earth that wemust not confuse element earth with planet earth, but still it is doe all along so that in fact nobody knows what is being talked about all the time.
Salaam
At this point dear Huruf I'm going to have to call you out on your bs
I have told you clearly why your argument doesn't hold months and months ago.
Who cares what you have pointed out several times if you don't care enough to think about the responses you were given several times?Link below this time please do read and learn how Quran distinguishes between earth and soil.
So we don't have to keep derailing thank you.http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9608018.msg384529#msg384529
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2144 It was Us who gave luxury to these and their fathers, until they grew old with age. Do they not see that We come to the land and reduce it from its edges? Will they be able to win?
i have another understanding regarding this... verse... but again its just understanding God knows best..
actually in the start of bgbang when the earth was young... it was full of land mass... just land everywhere.. after a passage of time God sent down water in it.. or scietist thinks its asteriods that hit the surface with water in it... from there the life start generating..
so with respect to this understanding we can say God reduce the edges of land.. it quite understandable...
@ hp tech brother
Please begin truly studying Quran if you are believers
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Those verses have nothing to do with shape of the earth but that long post I made did and it is sufficient clear evidence for the believers. Everyone else will buy the lies. It does not matter to me, I will not grieve over the stubborn defiant ones...But this verse does!!! 2265 should wake up the FE disbelievers!
i have questions
who are these fe disbeleivers? any sect or kaffirs...
what are lies exactly ? explain it plz...
do you think FE disbeleivers are not reading quran truly?
who is stubborn? flat earthers or round earthers
believing in shape of earth is require to get submittor? who is submitter the one who submit his will or the one who beleive earth is flat?answer it as i feel it very personal... what happend to you ,you are behaving like there is a secterian fight is going one there...?
peace
I get what you're saying. You're pretty much saying what I have been saying throughout, it is water level rising being described.
The only issue I have personally with your understanding is the association with Allah by mentioning Big Bang and asteroid bringing water.
Allah conveys rain pouring down from the sky not an icy rock.
Also Big Bang is not scientific. Explosions build things?
In my God given reasoning explosions tend to destroy, deconstruct matter not build or assemble matter.
That is absurdity.Also in your understanding if earth is a ball spinning freely in space where is the source of the surging water?
The correct model and understanding is that the earth is sandwiched between waters above and below.
If you read Quran earnestly and abandoned every bias, the story of Noah and the waters meeting from above and below for a matter predestined would resonate with this.As for why do I feel that you are all misguided I have already conveyed in reply #10.
If you are adamantly denying the apparent Signs of Allah which include the earth and the truth in which He created it and the luminaries and everything else, and you are denying the truth about His creation solely on human knowledge then you are akin to all the disbelievers of old who rejoiced in what they earned and what they thought they reached in knowledge like Aad and Thamud. Their knowledge did not avail them and neither it will avail you if you do not stand firm.
You are also not supporting all the believers who are standing firm on Quran and causing division, instead of supporting the believers you side with the deceiving disbelievers that claim Big Bang, evolution, dinosaurs, and heliocentric model.
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HP_TECH,
And how does it matter? There are ambiguous signs that the Earth is spherical too.
Why would it bother Allah whatever people believe about the form of a worldly layout?
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HP_TECH,
And how does it matter? There are ambiguous signs that the Earth is spherical too.
Why would it bother Allah whatever people believe about the form of a worldly layout?
Look at you...
Nothing bothers Allah period, whether you believe or disbelieve or whether you preach false teachings or lie about Allah, none of that frustrates my Lord in the least.But it will certainly be a grievance upon yourselves that you have denied the truth.
I suspect the denial of the apparent nature of His Creation is not the only matter in which those of you who argue against us are differing in...
Allah intends what He wills.You deny the truth about His Signs, because you have been deceived by the deceiver,
If he can successfully deceive you about the habitat you live in despite Allah having detailed His Signs so that you may believe in Him and The Day of Meeting, what else has he deceived you all about?I would fear Allah if I was in your shoes, do not take for granted that you are being led astray for what lies in your hearts and for what you utter and for what you speculate and all the doubt you all entertain in this forum.
You will certainly remember my Words
Those who have believed hold firm and do not be deceived by false teachings, false science, false reasoning etcc...
Regards
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HP_TECH,
I believe it will not take long time before space flights will be in reach for ordinary people.
Just wondering if you will still believe in the quran if at that time you take such a trip and see with your own eyes that the earth is spherical.Your refusal to simply acknowledge evidence provided in this thread and others baffles me.
You are not humble in admitting that you have not researched the matter enough to make any firm conclusion and neither do you take the heavy evidenced presentation as a mere possibility.
You are not a serious investigator...
A mind that has been sealed do you possess and eyes that have been veiled.
A mind that refuses to understand there is no substantial empirical evidence to prove the earth is spherical,
a mind that refuses to reason and ponder about the Signs of Allah depicting the plane realityThe disbelievers would like for us to believer the earth is a sphere one among billions of other possible earth like habitats orbiting the stars. They would like for you to believe that you are a mere randomality and that there is other life beyond our galaxies with intelligent lifeforms sprawling. It is a distortion of the truth.
They would love for you to believe that Allah created according to their theories (Big Bang, evolution)
In the effort to distance you from the inherent truth that you were purposely placed in this enclosed safeguarded perfectly designed and subdued environment. The inherent truth that it is not some random chance that can give rise to life forms but Precise Calculated Intelligence Wisdom.You have swallowed the drink of deception and your speech in my coherently sober mind/hearing is drunk talk
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HP_TECH,
What convinces you of the flatness of Earth? What Quran allegedly says according to some deluded clerics?
Be well
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Your refusal to simply acknowledge evidence provided in this thread and others baffles me.
You are not humble in admitting that you have not researched the matter enough to make any firm conclusion and neither do you take the heavy evidenced presentation as a mere possibility.
You are not a serious investigator...
A mind that has been sealed do you possess and eyes that have been veiled.
A mind that refuses to understand there is no substantial empirical evidence to prove the earth is spherical,
a mind that refuses to reason and ponder about the Signs of Allah depicting the plane realityThe disbelievers would like for us to believer the earth is a sphere one among billions of other possible earth like habitats orbiting the stars. They would like for you to believe that you are a mere randomality and that there is other life beyond our galaxies with intelligent lifeforms sprawling. It is a distortion of the truth.
They would love for you to believe that Allah created according to their theories (Big Bang, evolution)
In the effort to distance you from the inherent truth that you were purposely placed in this enclosed safeguarded perfectly designed and subdued environment. The inherent truth that it is not some random chance that can give rise to life forms but Precise Calculated Intelligence Wisdom.You have swallowed the drink of deception and your speech in my coherently sober mind/hearing is drunk talk
Ok, but I truly believe that in the near future (if we live long enough), we (=ordinary people) can afford a space flight.
So I was wondering if you will still believe in the quran when you can see with your own eyes that the earth spherical. -
@ hp_ tech
u did not answers any my questions?
what i present is my understanding whether water comes from asteeriods or rain ,,, it dosent matter but accoridng to quran and accoridng to science water was not there in the start of planetary system of young earth..
i just wonder just tell me when u see earth with your own eyes and what possible answers you have for that time, instead of thinking about shape you should be optimistic about the reasoning what you will provide after watching earth with your own eyes...
at that time you have not much options ...
option number 1 .. eyes get trick and from so far distance flat shape looks like round
option number 2.. i dnt beleive in my eyes i beleive quran is saying earth is like a carpet spread so literally its mean plain...
option number 3 ... 2+2=4 but i still not beleive becoz quran is saying 2+2=5 ....i think option first is bit logical to carry on the next episode of flat earth if you can be able to see with your own eyes
God bless you and i pray from God to make arrangements for you to have a space flight,
but i know sometimmes evenn miracles dnt work , when people try to disbeleive they will continue in it like example of pharaoh , did moses not tell him the clear signs.. but they still refuse to disbeleive,, did jesus not show live miracles with the grace of God but people still disbeleive...
i m not much astonish when people claim earth is flat but @ bender i think even if hp_tech see the planet shape with his own eyes he still continue to disbeleive in it.. and probabaly go for option one..
peace
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Ok, but I truly believe that in the near future (if we live long enough), we (=ordinary people) can afford a space flight.
So I was wondering if you will still believe in the quran when you can see with your own eyes that the earth spherical.@ hp_ tech
u did not answers any my questions?
what i present is my understanding whether water comes from asteeriods or rain ,,, it dosent matter but accoridng to quran and accoridng to science water was not there in the start of planetary system of young earth..
i just wonder just tell me when u see earth with your own eyes and what possible answers you have for that time, instead of thinking about shape you should be optimistic about the reasoning what you will provide after watching earth with your own eyes...
at that time you have not much options ...
option number 1 .. eyes get trick and from so far distance flat shape looks like round
option number 2.. i dnt beleive in my eyes i beleive quran is saying earth is like a carpet spread so literally its mean plain...
option number 3 ... 2+2=4 but i still not beleive becoz quran is saying 2+2=5 ....i think option first is bit logical to carry on the next episode of flat earth if you can be able to see with your own eyes
God bless you and i pray from God to make arrangements for you to have a space flight,
but i know sometimmes evenn miracles dnt work , when people try to disbeleive they will continue in it like example of pharaoh , did moses not tell him the clear signs.. but they still refuse to disbeleive,, did jesus not show live miracles with the grace of God but people still disbeleive...
i m not much astonish when people claim earth is flat but @ bender i think even if hp_tech see the planet shape with his own eyes he still continue to disbeleive in it.. and probabaly go for option one..
peace
May Allah castigate the defiantly disobedient, those who pretend to be with the believers while they speak the lie and entertain doubt and refute the truth thereby with the falsehood!
The earth is planar
The scenarios you both depict are implausible.
Scientific empirical evidence proves a plane, stationary earth. Records show no one has gone to the moon nor reached higher than 400 miles.
Bismillah AlRahman AlRaheem
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wal-ara
And the earth, CONJ ? prefixed conjunction wa (and)
N ? accusative feminine noun Earth(51482)
farashnh
We have spread it; V ? 1st person plural perfect verb
PRON ? subject pronoun
PRON ? 3rd person feminine singular object pronoun
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The heliocentric model invented by jesuits/NASA and everyone else is about bringing down the human race to insignificance compared to the universe. And ultimately fail the human race as promised by those who rebelled against the Lord.
The importance of humans brought about the rebellion in the first place.
If we follow mainstream science, what is stated in the old scripture and Quran becomes illogical ie why should the Creator destroy the universe just to judge the human race? Isn?t it just enough to destroy the earth alone?
According to science, the sun is relatively a young star and its destruction will not be anytime soon.
But if it was the flat earth and the earth is the focus ? the story about end of days becomes logical, And it can come at anytime.
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Scientific empirical evidence proves a plane, stationary earth.
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really , can i have any statement from any qualified scientist throughout the world who claim this thing...
provide reference if you are truthful...
height of stubborness...
important questions you always ignore , you did not tell us if one day you see the shape of earth with your ownn eyes,, what will you think about all this.. &
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Okay. How about discussing anything productive? This is just blaming from right to left like a kindergarten about something irrelevant.
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But if it was the flat earth and the earth is the focus ? the story about end of days becomes logical, And it can come at anytime.
is this what science predict or quran?
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did God will wait for the sun to finish its energy for bringing judgement day...
did you not see everyday the millions things get destroyed and millions things get birth . when purpose fullfilled the law change the shape ,
leaves fell from tree get yellow and get disolve in ground , then water give a new life again to land... birth of stars and death of stars supernova... eveaporation of water from land... consumption of wood etc etc... this universe actually lost nothing things changed the shape according to law...
all this stuff is a principal law for running this universe designned by God...
so do we assume the same law for hereafter or all this must have to reprogrammed with some next level technologies what we have no knowledge of yet...
brother use reason dnt fell in the trap of flat earthers , these lost people are just a new episode to consprisy theories ... and it will come till the end of days ...
the reason you provide does not hold water ? if God is saying all will get destroyed God know best the reason of destruction...
might be the laws of destruction is on other way the law of reformation ... depends on how you look into all this...
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May Allah castigate the defiantly disobedient, those who pretend to be with the believers while they speak the lie and entertain doubt and refute the truth thereby with the falsehood!
rotfl
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May Allah castigate the defiantly disobedient, those who pretend to be with the believers while they speak the lie and entertain doubt and refute the truth thereby with the falsehood!
Salam HP_Tech. I agree with you. Unfortunately there are more of them than those who truly strive to uphold the Quran. So we can expect more lies than truth BUT for those who hold fast to the Lord, clarity and the truth is here in the Quran and all falsehood shall perish.
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i really like when the discussion of science suddenly take u turn to the discussion of faith... rotfl rotfl rotfl
and intrestingly i also have some emotional attachments linked up with this theory .. becoz i remeber my first post was on about shape of earth , otherwise i was not about to start the discussion on forum , but again i also learn lot of things from the members... thanx to all of them.. and special thansk to flat earthers who force me to say somethings...
and all the time i come up with baseless claims and interestingly they always avoid questions? some of these questions are here
what bring seasons changing to earth?
why we cannot experience the sudden dark and sudden light in sun set and sunrise, cant b possible in flat earth?
what shape is the sun and other planets of solar system?
does light travel in a straight line?
what is "vanishing point" do you mean the sun moves away from an observer VERTICALLY or HORIZONTALLY or something else? In other words, what motion does the sun have in your view? ponder about this question..
how do you explain regions such as iceland and many other where you can experience months of permanently visible sun, and months of permanently non-visible sun?
all these questions and many more things i ask from experts of flat earthers but one by one everybody run away i dnt know why...? &
some of them become my enemies and even they make fake ids specially to take piss with me rotfl i still dnt understand i think its something like a war or what...
any way mr hsalan if you are ready to give the answers of some of these questions i will be greatful as i see you beleive in flat earth too ?
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i really like when the discussion of science suddenly take u turn to the discussion of faith... rotfl rotfl rotfl
and intrestingly i also have some emotional attachments linked up with this theory .. becoz i remeber my first post was on about shape of earth , otherwise i was not about to start the discussion on forum , but again i also learn lot of things from the members... thanx to all of them.. and special thansk to flat earthers who force me to say somethings...
and all the time i come up with baseless claims and interestingly they always avoid questions? some of these questions are here
what bring seasons changing to earth?
why we cannot experience the sudden dark and sudden light in sun set and sunrise, cant b possible in flat earth?
what shape is the sun and other planets of solar system?
does light travel in a straight line?
what is "vanishing point" do you mean the sun moves away from an observer VERTICALLY or HORIZONTALLY or something else? In other words, what motion does the sun have in your view? ponder about this question..
how do you explain regions such as iceland and many other where you can experience months of permanently visible sun, and months of permanently non-visible sun?
all these questions and many more things i ask from experts of flat earthers but one by one everybody run away i dnt know why...? &
some of them become my enemies and even they make fake ids specially to take piss with me rotfl i still dnt understand i think its something like a war or what...
any way mr hsalan if you are ready to give the answers of some of these questions i will be greatful as i see you beleive in flat earth too ?
Imran, all the answer you asked can be found in the net, so look it up. You can find both main stream science and FE answers to your questions. I cannot answer them better. Whether you believe them or not is up to you.
My perspective is based on what I understand from the Quran. If you can imagine the end of days like what the Quran says, which is more plausible? flat earth or main stream science? To me flat earth appears more plausible.
But no one here has absolute proof given none of us have reached space. All we have are images which can be easily manipulated and created. Even the image we see with our own eyes will appear curvy because the construction of the eye is curvy.
But it all relates to belief - the main reason majority will fail is their lack of belief in the hereafter which translates to lack of action.
Who really believes in the hereafter? judgment day? heaven? and hell? Not many, because all of us cannot see them, the unseen a part of faith and logic. If its not logical why believe it?
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Even the image we see with our own eyes will appear curvy because the construction of the eye is curvy.
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if i see a curve does it mean flat becoz the image of eyes is curvy,,, if we see flat earth with curvy eyes .. it becomes curvy... other side round we see spherical earth with curvy eyes.. will it appear flat ? curve + curve = ? brickwall
by default if earth is spherical its mean its flat due to curvy eyes... but if earth is really flat ... then its mean our eyes should see it as curvy?
do we need to change all the shapes according to the view of curvy eyes... ?
stars in the night sky what shape they have is it like sun or five ways lighting image ?
coin in the water appear moving on the floor of pool? is coin is round or moving? or its water waves that are responsible?
what if i see with glasses on my eyes... still curvy or glasses/mirror also have some hidden properties... ?
do we also need to invent something which lens is not curvy and bring us actual image?
questions after questions but no answers y ?
anyway... best of luck...