Takes time to reach God?
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sorry for joining the discussion again,,,
infact saying lastday deleude will not be fair becoz what he actually reject is ....
But the "vibrating strings of energy" are Rabb,
and he is true in it becoz thats what quran also telling us according to the interpretation which some of the people not accepted...
if we look in that angle than surely deleuded is one who reject the very clear message... but we dnt have a right to say anybody disbeleiver or deleuded becoz God knows well who is on right path,, everybody wil judged according to the knowledge they gain .. on the condition if they are loyal to God...
threating somebody like this is not a act of Godly person...
i hope everybpdy understand now
peace and God bless you all group
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Peace Man Of Faith.
When you say,quote
If you can render someone's argument as clearly flawed and illogical it is highly probable that the person is deludedHow did you come to such a conclusion? Or is it according to you?
I have not seen it in any of your posts in this thread.
Also ,when two people(A and B) disagree,there are 3 possibilities brother
1- A is right.
2- B is right.
3- Both A and B are wrong.
Therefore I disagree with you here,quote
Often you are so certain about your conviction that you do not realize yourself how deluded you are.
GOD bless you.
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Peace Man Of Faith.
When you say,quote
If you can render someone's argument as clearly flawed and illogical it is highly probable that the person is deludedHow did you come to such a conclusion? Or is it according to you?
I have not seen it in any of your posts in this thread.
Also ,when two people(A and B) disagree,there are 3 possibilities brother
1- A is right.
2- B is right.
3- Both A and B are wrong.
Therefore I disagree with you here,quote
Often you are so certain about your conviction that you do not realize yourself how deluded you are.
GOD bless you.
Peace.I said what I said. If you have sufficient input to nullify someone's claims and they still do not accept it then they are very likely deluded. My statement was coherent with what I continued to say.
I do not see the connection between your conclusion that there are three possibilities and my statement?
I said generally, that often people are so confident on what they believe that they have a hard time perceiving that they are wrong even if clearly proved to be wrong.
Be well
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Peace Man Of Faith.
If one is" certain" it should mean they have strong evidence.Therefore I would say
"Often if one "thinks" they are certain about their conviction...That is what I meant.
Then I agree with you..
GOD bless you.
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If one is" certain" it should mean they have strong evidence.Therefore I would say
"Often if one "thinks" they are certain about their conviction...and when somebody certain about his findings that based on quran... then totally its unfair to adress him deleuded...
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Peace Man Of Faith.
If one is" certain" it should mean they have strong evidence.Therefore I would say
"Often if one "thinks" they are certain about their conviction...That is what I meant.
Then I agree with you..
GOD bless you.
Peace.If you say so. Perhaps your formulation was better and I thank you for your contribution. Yet I meant basically exactly what you told now.
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Deluded I have used as the kindest kind of way saying someone is confused into believing something to be true while it is not.
It is not of mean intention with how I use it..........
If the case is someone is deluded into believing something it is but fair to the one being deluded to be informed.
I am offering help to avoid the delusion too..........
Be well
AmenuelSalaam/Peace Man of Faith,
thank you very much, my dear Fellow/Friend, for your such kindness and good intention,
with the exact same feelings of kindness and good intention,
and hoping that perhaps I could truly be informative and helpful to you,I have clearly, honestly and straightforwardly related to you this most Essential and important Information,
in my previous post to youSalaam/Peace Man of Faith,
I sincerely and wholeheartedly recommend you, my dear Fellow/Friend, to study and learn
what is a "delusion" and who can rightfully be called as "deluded",
according to QURAN TESTAMENT.Your clear statement in that second quote above (=but the "vibrating strings of energy" are Rabb,)
may be a perfect example to help you clearly understand=what "delusion" is,
=and who can rightfully be called as "deluded",
according to QURAN TESTAMENT (68/6 = 43/15 & 52/43).
So I sincerely and wholeheartedly recommend you, my dear Fellow/Friend, Man of Faith,
to decisively renounce your such clear and deep "delusions" above,
and immediately repent and return to AL-LAH, in this best manner here (=QURAN TESTAMENT 25/70-71),
for your Eternal Salvation and Everlasting Benefits, forever.(=QURAN TESTAMENT 25/68-69-70-71-72-73-74-75-76)
Remain in peace/salaam.
Because no matter how hard Satan may try to distort the Meaning of QURANIC Verses,
in order to be able to deceive you and deceive people to believe that=the "vibrating strings of energy" are Rabb,
you, my dear Fellow/Friend Man of Faith, and also all truthful Believers here as well
who honestly and sincerely seeking The Truth of/in QURAN TESTAMENT
should Never accept such a "Satanic nonsense and blasphemy" here=the "vibrating strings of energy" are Rabb,
which is most clearly, decisively and unmistakably Refuted
in QURAN TESTAMENT here, from the very Beginning (43/15 = 52/43 = 41/37-38).Remain in peace/salaam.
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the "vibrating strings of energy" are Rabb,
nope it cant be.... God is not material based or energy based... or something similar to anything... yeah
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You immediately draw the conclusion I refer to matter. Energy has no mass and is no matter but its manifestation is what we call electric charge. Such charge is generated for example through friction between or within matter.
I can correct the statement more clearly by saying "The manifestation of light is a sign of Rabb, it is what projects the world and giving it solidness as an element of illusion of such world". The " phenomenon" causing the charge of light is what is Rabb.
The world is made of this projected energy and it is not innately visible.
Be well
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some more signs of God..in the shape of verses...
3131 Have you not seen the ships sailing in the sea by the grace of God,
so that He shows you some of His signs? In that are signs for
every one who is patient, thankful.It is He (God) who sends down rain from the sky from it ye drink, and out of it (grows) the vegetation on which ye feed your cattle. With it He produces for you corn, olives, date-palms, grapes and every kind of fruit verily in this is a sign for those who give thought/contemplate . He has made subject to you the Night and the Day; the sun and the moon; and the stars are in subjection by His Command verily in this are signs for men who use their reason/sense (1610-12)
Say, "Look at all the signs in the heavens and the earth." All the proofs and all the warnings can never help people who decided to disbelieve (10101).
there are lot of more signs of God... does it mean these all are Gods...?
electricity is a thing.. generated and created by God... it cannot be God... elektro
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Energy has no mass and is no matter
wind ad air also dnt have mass and matter, but it exist...
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It exists as a phenomenon and it is movement. Basically the friction between matter causes wind to be generated, and that we know from my previous post is energy.
Wind is not matter either, but it causes matter to move.
What did you wish to prove?
Be well
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But you are wrong about something, air or oxygen is a substance.
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When ethereal beings (e.g. angels) interact in the world in their raw form you can observe this in the world like an anomaly in the energy field. The resulting phenomenon will seem like light.
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now you are telling me the properties of unseen items.... can eyes see oxygen?
allright what electric charge the energy have? +ve -ve
which energy kinetic energy, potential energy?
everything you can catagroised which current AC or DC...?
everything can be converted or can change the shape...
but God is not a thing.. thats what i want to prove.. you are just a creature... if you beleive God is creator by default he is not been created by somebody, something, anything anybody... other wise he is also a creature... confused
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When ethereal beings (e.g. angels) interact in the world in their raw form you can observe this in the world like an anomaly in the energy field. The resulting phenomenon will seem like light.
i think heleium is responsible Gas for generating light... angels = helium or i misunderstood
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what is gravity...?
force,
substance
matter
energycan gravity seen by eyes?
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what are balckholes,,,?
strong gravitational pulls even light cannot escape from it... its mean is it not possible for angels or God to pass from blackholes ?
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I do not know if you did not understand me previously, energy is that part of the phenomenon of which we can in some way feel or measure.
Gravity is projected due to the same reason the matter is energized. The core of the Earth with giant levels of various oxides (high density) does have the effect of pulling other mass towards it. There is a whole science behind it, but basically it has to do with the strange "energy radiation" that the universe is made of. Most objects are radioactive to varying degree albeit some more than others.
A black hole is theorized to be the remnant of a disintegrated star. It becomes like an anomaly in space which still pulls objects to it but it does not have a center and objects running into it seem to disappear.
Similarly the end of the universe might probably look like the disintegration of a star, i.e. everything begins to retract in an interesting manner. The Earth will begin to be disintegrated as the molecules with their atoms will be displaced and if you behold a mountain it will seem "messed up".
I think we begin to be quite off topic though.
Be well
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yes my brothher , we are off topic becoz you did not ponder over the signs which i send you in the reply ... 78
light is a sign of God i agree
lot of other things are sign of God i agreewhat i disagree is light or vibrating energy strings cannot be God..