hey guys if you are drafted to gight ww3 would you do it?
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However even if war comes. How could a righteous man rise his hand to take a life that he has no authority over, because it was not him who created this life in the first place?
Isn't it better to die as sinless as possible than try to prolong this earthly days by sinning? And in this case a BIG sin as taking someones God given life away ?
Good reasoning.
However a problem is that you need to make sure to be spiritually ready before you leave the flesh. If you die in a body without being ready you will recycle into another.
One of the ancient commandments say "do not defeat", which means that you should not use the instinct to win. It does not directly tell not to kill but has been interpreted like that due to corruption of languages.
Obviously this does not justify killing because you should treat your neighbor like yourself and you should also care for your enemy. When understanding the commandment to be "do not defeat" it is easier to add it up. When the only remaining logical thing to do, when diplomacy fails, is to kill someone then so be it and they left no other choice in their delusion.
And eye for an eye... no more.
If I was sure I was ready, perhaps I would allow myself to be killed without defense if no other life depended on me.
Actually it is better to rush oneself to be prepared and then if the situation arises they can kill you. Homo sapiens is turned on by violence so perhaps it is better to abstain, so you do not trigger an instinct unnecessarily. Anything that causes a sensation of a game, contest, reward stimulus will thrill the primitive little Homo sapiens.
Actually, in many ways it is a difficult world in which we live.
Be well
Amenuel -
Peace Man Of Faith.
It is nice to know we will not be joining opposite sides. In that case there is no danger for both of us.
You and me may survive WW 3, WW 4, WW5... WW 20,,,Even Armagaddon!!!
What a nice thought.
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Brother hansolo.
May be we will be "recycling from one body to another"?!!!!!
OK ,so it is wishful thinking.
GOD bless you.
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another question , even if we will get a life again..
will we started from fresh thinking or we start from where we left?
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Yes Borther Good Logic group
Hopefully or something even better sunGod Bless
Take care of yourself
Just bare in mind that you will not attain SPIRITUAL GROWTH by reading on some forum, or watch some youtube videos...You have to face your devils. It's not acquired (unless you are chosen?) it's reached.
Persistence, Patience, Sadness, Struggle, Loneliness, Sins, Repentance, More sins. That's what it's going to feel like.And read the Quran, please..
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Cerberus
I know I know...
Some people are higher in rank in Gods eyes. They are put in more advantageous situations.
However even if YOUR way had all of these things you named. Doesn't really mean that one must go trough the same.
And if you are worrying about me. My way is too not without any bumps here and there. We know this world is not paradise. God knows what Ive been trough and what Im going through this exact moment.
However in this forum I feel home and with same minded people, just like you Brother. Hopefully we will help each other out on our journeys.
Love you Brother
Hope we will get trough all of this together group
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another question , even if we will get a life again..
will we started from fresh thinking or we start from where we left?
If you are given a new life yet WITHOUT any memory of your past experience. (In similar fashion as a laptop given a new and fresh hard drive and RAM) AND you were born into different context and tradition.. let's say today's Jewish or Hindus family, will you then belief in the same thing as you are now?
It can be extended with... and you were born into a family of Marduk worshipper 3000 years ago in the city of Mesopotamia.. will you then belief in the same thing as you are now?
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Well the statistics DO show that people tend to not change the religion they were born into, right ?
So mathematically speaking, NO!.But isn't true believer is the one who is against all organized religions. You know why.
GOD is everywhere and He is closer to us than our Jugular vein.Peace
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And Man of Faith
How can one be 100% certain that he is ready for death ?
You will feel the readiness.
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If you are given a new life yet WITHOUT any memory of your past experience. (In similar fashion as a laptop given a new and fresh hard drive and RAM) AND you were born into different context and tradition.. let's say today's Jewish or Hindus family, will you then belief in the same thing as you are now?
It can be extended with... and you were born into a family of Marduk worshipper 3000 years ago in the city of Mesopotamia.. will you then belief in the same thing as you are now?
infact, if i ll have the same brain what i have now, then i will think about it, whatever tradition i born in i will verify it , if my verification and my mind contradict with something i will revise my thinking and i will approach God with truth...
even in my current life, by the grace of God i changed my self from something to something .. which is quite risky for me...
look i born in system which i dnt really beleive in now...its mean even i get birth 3000 years ago with same mind , in whatever tradition i m confident on myself i eventually find a solution of the puzzle specially how abraham find it by reason logic and verifications... its not hard to find your creator specially when you are sincear in your findings, and God is also there to show light to the people who want it ...
coming back to the topic..
we are discussing about second/third/fourth life not about faith..example a hitler get rebirth and spend an average life... and in the second birth he pass his test...
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Doesn't it say somewhere in the Quran
That some people will be animals or deaf and blind in the hereafter ? Correct me If Im wrong. So if the hereafter implies the next human life, than yeah we see people born as blind and deaf. Than it would answer why are these people in this conditions. It will also explain when God says that everything that is good is from Him and everything that is Bad is fro ourselves.
And the day of Judgment is the day when there will be no more tries left. So if we are still here on Earth talking to each other, this means that we still did not graduate to come to God, so to speak.
Our time is short Guys haha
And of course
God knows the best!
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its mean even i get birth 3000 years ago with same mind , in whatever tradition i m confident on myself i eventually find a solution of the puzzle specially how abraham find it by reason logic and verifications... its not hard to find your creator specially when you are sincear in your findings, and God is also there to show light to the people who want it ...
Abe has an advantage that other people during his time and place didn't have..
His own dad was an idol maker...
He sees how the idol was made by his own dad and so does any mythology that associated with it, with his own senses (eyes, ears)That's how human brain works, it responds to external impulse / information and deduce conclusion based on it..
No external impulse / information, no deduction..
Misleading impulse / information, misleading deduction..Is it fair to 'judge' people who didn't received the same information or witnessed the same events as Abe using the same standard as his?
example a hitler get rebirth and spend an average life... and in the second birth he pass his test...
where is the judgement /punishment of millions of lives he took?Should there be any 'punishment'?
Given due to his action he has also caused the freedom of people living in many european colonies, the death of colonialism era..
Should he then be 'rewarded' instead?The pride of the Pharaoh, his enslavement of the hebrew has caused the Torah to be written...
If Pharaoh was a nice, humble and polite person which treated everyone nicely.. there will be no exodus, no deed of Moses, no Ten Commandments, no 'parting of the red sea', no David, no Solomon, no Jesus, no Gospel, no Quran, no Jihad, no Crusades etc.. etc..And there are million of other examples on "causal chain of events"..
All the world?s a stage,
And all the men and women merely players;
They have their exits and their entrances,
-- W ShakespareIf another "big war" dubbed "WWIII" are supposed to happened.. then it will happened... as it was supposed to happened.. it will be the cause of many things as aftermath....
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The kind of condition and situation you are reborn in is in consequence of your past deeds. What goes around comes around. That is the kind of "punishment" a person receives and they cause it themselves.
Perhaps the soul of Mr. Hitler is deemed so shattered it is deleted instead. Easiest solution to failures. Mr. Hitler surely brought forth the worst in people and shows how easily fooled and rallied they are.
Be well
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or may b a person who born in rich family and poor family .. what is their fault...
apparently one is lucky enough and other is unlucky enough..
a poor will always spend a life in afraid , and if he want to go on straight path he will hardly able to build a two bedroom house for him in some cases , not even he can make a house..
on the other hand the rich person really dnt need to bother about house money career education , how easy and how unfair..
may b that also link to the previous life..
look at my life i was just nine months old when my father died... how i feel when i saw other kids playing with their father..
may b in my last birth i killed somebody father and i m getting punish in this way in this life .. thats what you want me to understand..?
what a poor do if his kids are dying from hunger ?
he must have to steal
if he not then his kids cry for hunger
if he did steal then corrupt policies of rich will get his hands cut or get him imprisonedso its not somebody fault if they are poor or helpless infront of system?
compare to rich and poor , the poor did sin due to helplessness whereas rich dnt need to do it coz he dnt need to steal..?if a rich boy is drunkard, druggee and gambler and adulterer , all people keep eye on him to gt their daughter marrid with him..
on other hand if a noble poor person, wanted to get married he get rejec again and again due to lack of money?why ?
i also have lot of confusions and questions to ask which hardly anybody can answer but instead of thinking about it , i need to accept what is truth .. i need to take life how it is..
the answers of these questions i dnt have it right nowif i ask from God
there is a silence ..if i ask from any scholar they will bring secterian lies in it...
who should i ask ?
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Greetings and Peace, all group
Following the conversation, even though it is off topic...
2399 Until death comes to one of them, he says "My Lord, send me back."
23100 "So that I may do good in that which I have left behind." No, it is but a word he is speaking. And there is a barrier to prevent them from going back until the Day they are all resurrected.
I don't find any reason to believe in reincarnation. As for Judgment day, I believe that (to our own perception) we will die and then will be immediately judged--though to an outside observer eons may pass. We won't have any concept of time when we are dead, so the resurrection will seem instant to us.
2259 Or the one who passed through a town which had become ruins. He said "How can GOD possibly revive this after it had died?" So GOD put him to death for one hundred calendar years, then He resurrected him. He said "How long have you stayed here?" He said "I have stayed here a day or part of a day." He said "No, you have stayed here for one hundred calendar years! Look at your food and drink, they have not changed, but look at your donkey! And We will make you a sign for the people; and look at the bones how We expand them, then We cover them with flesh." So when it was clear to him what happened, he said "I now know that GOD is capable of all things!"
As for those who came up in a different system...
137 And those who reject say "If only a sign was sent down to him from his Lord." You are but a warner, and to every people is a guide.
1771 The Day We call every people by their beacon. Then, whoever are given their book by their right, they will read their book, and they will not be wronged in the least.
May ALLAH see fit to Guide all seekers.
peace
~Abdul-Hadi
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or may b a person who born in rich family and poor family .. what is their fault...
apparently one is lucky enough and other is unlucky enough..
You mean the one born in poor family is the lucky one?
a poor will always spend a life in afraid , and if he want to go on straight path he will hardly able to build a two bedroom house for him in some cases , not even he can make a house..
on the other hand the rich person really dnt need to bother about house money career education , how easy and how unfair..
"Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power."
-- The other AbeWill Pharaoh of Moses be as mean, as selfish and as arrogant as he was if he was born as a slave within the egyptian society?
Will it not being born within a poor family or as a slave will instead be a blessing for him?
Thus in his lifetime he will not murder anyone, torture anyone, enslave anyone.. just because he lack the opportunity to do such horrible thing.Most of the time we made bad judgement due to our lack of visibility and knowledge about the future... or the possible consequences of certain events..
Perhaps the soul of Mr. Hitler is deemed so shattered it is deleted instead. Easiest solution to failures. Mr. Hitler surely brought forth the worst in people and shows how easily fooled and rallied they are.
Is it really about 'blaming' game?
The young Adolf initially dream to be an artist.. a painter...
He applied to an art school in Vienna but was rejected for admission..
What if he was accepted?Should we not blame the councils on Vienna Academy of Fine Arts for their rejection of 'young aspiring artist' named Adolf?
As due to their rejection, the young artist become bitter, join the military, become politician and initiate the WWII on the western front?Or should we 'praise' Adolf, as due to his 'hard work', he has caused 'Great Colonial Powers' such as British and France to become bankrupt and relinquish their oppression towards native people on their vast colonies?
Should we 'thank' Adolf as due to his 'hard work'.. (along with Mr Hideki Tojo) has caused an ex British colony named America to rise as super power in 20th century?
Or even when Adolf did become a painter instead, the Third Reich will still rise anyway and started the WWII under a great Fuhrer named Rudolf or Klaus?
"I claim not to have controlled events, but confess plainly that events have controlled me."
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Greetings and Peace, all group
Following the conversation, even though it is off topic...
2399 Until death comes to one of them, he says "My Lord, send me back."
23100 "So that I may do good in that which I have left behind." No, it is but a word he is speaking. And there is a barrier to prevent them from going back until the Day they are all resurrected.
I don't find any reason to believe in reincarnation. As for Judgment day, I believe that (to our own perception) we will die and then will be immediately judged--though to an outside observer eons may pass. We won't have any concept of time when we are dead, so the resurrection will seem instant to us.
2259 Or the one who passed through a town which had become ruins. He said "How can GOD possibly revive this after it had died?" So GOD put him to death for one hundred calendar years, then He resurrected him. He said "How long have you stayed here?" He said "I have stayed here a day or part of a day." He said "No, you have stayed here for one hundred calendar years! Look at your food and drink, they have not changed, but look at your donkey! And We will make you a sign for the people; and look at the bones how We expand them, then We cover them with flesh." So when it was clear to him what happened, he said "I now know that GOD is capable of all things!"
As for those who came up in a different system...
137 And those who reject say "If only a sign was sent down to him from his Lord." You are but a warner, and to every people is a guide.
1771 The Day We call every people by their beacon. Then, whoever are given their book by their right, they will read their book, and they will not be wronged in the least.
May ALLAH see fit to Guide all seekers.
peace
~Abdul-Hadi
That translation of 23100 is really bad.