Homosexuality LGBTQI and the deen
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Greetings and Peace, all group
Longer conversations can be unwieldy and confusing if posted without reference to what has been already said. It is like cutting a meal into smaller portions for consumption. Color coding is also an attempt to make it easier for the reader.
I see you deflecting what A Submitter said and what I said. Let me help you out by taking your red comments outside of my comments and re-address the thing properly.
No one has an issue with surgery after a disfiguring accident or burn or even a tooth surgery..and you know it. Nor is that the reason A Submitter added that verse, and you also know it. Yet you went for those things assuming that the verse is against such things . Why don't you try to reply to what people actually say rather than throw your red comments inbetween to dismantle their saying and twist it.
Anyways, you'll excuse me now I gotta go back to my cave and light a fire.
4119 is relevant to the conversation. Could it be that you are assuming what my understanding is, even though you have not even asked? hmm When information is presented, one shouldn't presuppose the position of the presenter.
The other things that people do to change creation are applicable to the conversation in regards to considering how serious it is, for considering that there might be acceptable reasons, and for people to think about applying Guidance to THEMSELVES before thinking to apply it to others. How can a person claim a moral high ground if they engage in what they decry? That would be nothing but base hypocrisy.
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https//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_dysphoria
4817 There is no burden on the blind, nor is there any burden on the cripple, nor is there any burden on the sick. And whoever obeys GOD and His messenger, He will admit them into gardens with rivers flowing beneath them; and whoever turns away, He will punish him with a painful retribution.
There are times when sex reassignment surgery has been indicated as a medical treatment. I wasn't even aware of this until recently.
ALLAH knows best.
peace
~Abdul-Hadi
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The only people that were saved from the people of Lot were the family of Lot, except his wife.
1.They were a rejecting people; so this could explain why the women of the people of Lot were not saved; we aren't told if they were homosexuals too, unless I missed it.Peace A Submitter, I know that you remember that other societies
were destroyed besides the people of Lut, and that all perished,
the men, women and children, except the believers, that
Imho is because the cultures replicate and reproduce themselves
and the children (whom the women give birth to) emulate,
imitate or traditionalize their predecessors unless Allah wills as
in the case of Jonah.So my question becomes
Do you and forum members perceive sexual aggression on the part of the
inhabitants of the annihilated cities towards the guests of prophet Lut
or casual mutual relationships?&
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Peace A Submitter, I know that you remember that other societies
were destroyed besides the people of Lut, and that all perished,
the men, women and children, except the believers, that
Imho is because the cultures replicate and reproduce themselves
and the children (whom the women give birth to become,
imitate, traditionalize their predecessors unless Allah wills as
in the case of Jonah.So my question becomes
Do you and forum members perceive sexual aggression on the part of the
inhabitants of the annihilated cities towards the guests of prophet Lut
or casual mutual relationships?&
Salam,
I didn't understand the question...
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i think the nation of lot not only make casual relationship with boys but they also rape the boys when it needed.
like in highways .. or travellors..
even with their own people.. so may b its another reason lot is pointing out that you did what somebody never did.
in general we know its difficult to rape a boy..
and also when we look at the events of guests , it is apparent that they were totally stranger and the nation want to have them forcefully , then lot get frightenned ...
but they make lot satisfy that they cant do any shit right now because we are here to teach them a lesson..
now from here my llittle bit crazy commentry started...
the first case of martial arts
two guests vs nation of lot who is notorious in raping/murdering/robing...but when they try to approach them the surprise punches and kicks and elbows they all recieved one by one ...
it was a heavy day on them... al of them first get the lesson and everybody was pissed off aww look at this embarrsment just two guests of lot beat us all like shit hahahahah muscle
after that nation was still in a shock and guests of lot make things possible for making earth quake fiery projectile and stuff what brother jaffar is refferring... thats why the controllers were there... due to a reason what abraham asked from them... to bring a sudden change in atmosphere which make nation look like a defeated dogs infront of lions...
cheers now... although from bold part its all my commentry possibly they even get more worse then what i painted in alll this...
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Peace A Submitter. Please give your understanding of the confrontation
between Lut, the messengers and Lut's people, as in 11/77-80
then read my previous question.peace
Salam,
My answer is; I don't know, my knowledge in this matter is limited.
Salam
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Peace A Submitter, I know that you remember that other societies
were destroyed besides the people of Lut, and that all perished,
the men, women and children, except the believers, that
Imho is because the cultures replicate and reproduce themselves
and the children (whom the women give birth to) emulate,
imitate or traditionalize their predecessors unless Allah wills as
in the case of Jonah.So my question becomes
Do you and forum members perceive sexual aggression on the part of the
inhabitants of the annihilated cities towards the guests of prophet Lut
or casual mutual relationships?&
Brother I don't know why so many are obscured from these very clear Ayaat, but Allah is All-Wise, All-Knowing.
I think the evidence we have from The Quran indicates they had consensual relationships, whether they were casual or monogamous.
Lut offers them his daughters. He obviously would not be suggesting for these men to simply rape or have non-marital relations with his daughters. He was a prophet! Meaning he wouldn't be unsound as to offer his daughters to savage rape-driven molestors.
They just preferred men as their mates instead of women and the term prefer is also used in the related ayaahs.Is it possible that the behavior demonstrated in the demanding of Lut's guests was an unprecedented behavior that was brought out as a result of their ongoing transgression and situation/trial presented to them?
An interesting question would be what then be did the people of Lut mean by 1570
"Did not we forbid you from the world?"Perhaps understanding that can lead to understanding whether their behavior was in fact precedented, and they had been frequent in this behavior.
Also did the people of Lut want to robb Lut's guests or commit immoralities and shameful deeds?
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Just as a side note... a bit off-topic...
I find it fascinating that people get more emotionally upset from homosexuality than with all the killing, corruption and injustice going on. People will spit on homosexuals who do not disturb anyone, but they have no issues letting their children play GTA where you systematically run over people with your car, or any other shooting games or movies where murder is glorified. -
I think the evidence we have from The Quran indicates they had consensual relationships, whether they were casual or monogamous.
Please elaborate.
Lut offers them his daughters. He obviously would not be suggesting for these men to simply rape or have non-marital relations with his daughters. He was a prophet! Meaning he wouldn't be unsound as to offer his daughters to savage rape-driven molestors.
I agree!
An interesting question would be what then be did the people of Lut mean by 1570
"Did not we forbid you from the world?"Here I believe this rape/robbery/sinful culture was directed at
"outsiders" (outside world)Just as a side note... a bit off-topic...
I find it fascinating that people get more emotionally upset from homosexuality than with all the killing, corruption and injustice going on. People will spit on homosexuals who do not disturb anyone, but they have no issues letting their children play GTA where you systematically run over people with your car, or any other shooting games or movies where murder is glorified.hmm
peace
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Just as a side note... a bit off-topic...
I find it fascinating that people get more emotionally upset from homosexuality than with all the killing, corruption and injustice going on. People will spit on homosexuals who do not disturb anyone, but they have no issues letting their children play GTA where you systematically run over people with your car, or any other shooting games or movies where murder is glorified.welcome
Soooo agreed
And if were such a "sin", Quran would have it pretty clear expressed
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My point exactly!
Just imagine the Last Day
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did u help others in need?
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yes
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good. Did you believe in God Alone?
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yes
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good. Did you make bad to others?
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no.
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good. Did you discriminate human beings?
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no.
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good. Were you modest and patient?
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yes.
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were ou gay?
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yes.
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burn in Hell!!!
I find it ridiculous, even more knowing that homosexuality is not a choice.
Reminder He is the Merciful, the Most Merciful
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And if were such a "sin", Quran would have it pretty clear expressed
Depends how one sees "sin". If you think commiting sin means a -1 or a -2 in your account balance then maybe being "homosexual" isn't " such a sin".
However, if you think sin is all actions and behaviours that hinder you from the Divine Light, then maybe you'll know that there isn't such thing as "such a sin".
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Depends how one sees "sin". If you think commiting sin means a -1 or a -2 in your account balance then maybe being "homosexual" isn't " such a sin".
However, if you think sin is all actions and behaviours that hinder you from the Divine Light, then maybe you'll know that there isn't such thing as "such a sin".
It is not "how one sees" but what Allah says.
handshake
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But our opinions may account for something.
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Depends how one sees "sin". If you think commiting sin means a -1 or a -2 in your account balance then maybe being "homosexual" isn't " such a sin".
However, if you think sin is all actions and behaviours that hinder you from the Divine Light, then maybe you'll know that there isn't such thing as "such a sin".
So? Did God forget to send a revelation for such a capital sin??? He left us without clear signs?
I will admit it is not clear, although the "unclear" inclines me to believe it is not a sin. Then just let's dont judge and dont oppress and dont discriminate righteous people in other matters, believers or whatever you want (how do you know with whom others sleep), and leave that matter to the Merciful, the Best Judge
Salaaam peace
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God has given us eyesight and hearing and hearts to understand what He says. That is what we seek. However,
some people expect God to make them a drawing of what is sinful and what is not.Same argument can be used against your opinion.
You or me have absolutely nothing to say about someone else's sexual preferences, it's not our business.