Homosexuality LGBTQI and the deen
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Peace A Submitter, I know that you remember that other societies
were destroyed besides the people of Lut, and that all perished,
the men, women and children, except the believers, that
Imho is because the cultures replicate and reproduce themselves
and the children (whom the women give birth to) emulate,
imitate or traditionalize their predecessors unless Allah wills as
in the case of Jonah.So my question becomes
Do you and forum members perceive sexual aggression on the part of the
inhabitants of the annihilated cities towards the guests of prophet Lut
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Brother I don't know why so many are obscured from these very clear Ayaat, but Allah is All-Wise, All-Knowing.
I think the evidence we have from The Quran indicates they had consensual relationships, whether they were casual or monogamous.
Lut offers them his daughters. He obviously would not be suggesting for these men to simply rape or have non-marital relations with his daughters. He was a prophet! Meaning he wouldn't be unsound as to offer his daughters to savage rape-driven molestors.
They just preferred men as their mates instead of women and the term prefer is also used in the related ayaahs.Is it possible that the behavior demonstrated in the demanding of Lut's guests was an unprecedented behavior that was brought out as a result of their ongoing transgression and situation/trial presented to them?
An interesting question would be what then be did the people of Lut mean by 1570
"Did not we forbid you from the world?"Perhaps understanding that can lead to understanding whether their behavior was in fact precedented, and they had been frequent in this behavior.
Also did the people of Lut want to robb Lut's guests or commit immoralities and shameful deeds?
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Just as a side note... a bit off-topic...
I find it fascinating that people get more emotionally upset from homosexuality than with all the killing, corruption and injustice going on. People will spit on homosexuals who do not disturb anyone, but they have no issues letting their children play GTA where you systematically run over people with your car, or any other shooting games or movies where murder is glorified. -
I think the evidence we have from The Quran indicates they had consensual relationships, whether they were casual or monogamous.
Please elaborate.
Lut offers them his daughters. He obviously would not be suggesting for these men to simply rape or have non-marital relations with his daughters. He was a prophet! Meaning he wouldn't be unsound as to offer his daughters to savage rape-driven molestors.
I agree!
An interesting question would be what then be did the people of Lut mean by 1570
"Did not we forbid you from the world?"Here I believe this rape/robbery/sinful culture was directed at
"outsiders" (outside world)Just as a side note... a bit off-topic...
I find it fascinating that people get more emotionally upset from homosexuality than with all the killing, corruption and injustice going on. People will spit on homosexuals who do not disturb anyone, but they have no issues letting their children play GTA where you systematically run over people with your car, or any other shooting games or movies where murder is glorified.hmm
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Just as a side note... a bit off-topic...
I find it fascinating that people get more emotionally upset from homosexuality than with all the killing, corruption and injustice going on. People will spit on homosexuals who do not disturb anyone, but they have no issues letting their children play GTA where you systematically run over people with your car, or any other shooting games or movies where murder is glorified.welcome
Soooo agreed
And if were such a "sin", Quran would have it pretty clear expressed
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My point exactly!
Just imagine the Last Day
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did u help others in need?
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yes
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good. Did you believe in God Alone?
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yes
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good. Did you make bad to others?
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no.
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good. Did you discriminate human beings?
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no.
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good. Were you modest and patient?
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yes.
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were ou gay?
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yes.
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burn in Hell!!!
I find it ridiculous, even more knowing that homosexuality is not a choice.
Reminder He is the Merciful, the Most Merciful
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And if were such a "sin", Quran would have it pretty clear expressed
Depends how one sees "sin". If you think commiting sin means a -1 or a -2 in your account balance then maybe being "homosexual" isn't " such a sin".
However, if you think sin is all actions and behaviours that hinder you from the Divine Light, then maybe you'll know that there isn't such thing as "such a sin".
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Depends how one sees "sin". If you think commiting sin means a -1 or a -2 in your account balance then maybe being "homosexual" isn't " such a sin".
However, if you think sin is all actions and behaviours that hinder you from the Divine Light, then maybe you'll know that there isn't such thing as "such a sin".
It is not "how one sees" but what Allah says.
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But our opinions may account for something.
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Depends how one sees "sin". If you think commiting sin means a -1 or a -2 in your account balance then maybe being "homosexual" isn't " such a sin".
However, if you think sin is all actions and behaviours that hinder you from the Divine Light, then maybe you'll know that there isn't such thing as "such a sin".
So? Did God forget to send a revelation for such a capital sin??? He left us without clear signs?
I will admit it is not clear, although the "unclear" inclines me to believe it is not a sin. Then just let's dont judge and dont oppress and dont discriminate righteous people in other matters, believers or whatever you want (how do you know with whom others sleep), and leave that matter to the Merciful, the Best Judge
Salaaam peace
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God has given us eyesight and hearing and hearts to understand what He says. That is what we seek. However,
some people expect God to make them a drawing of what is sinful and what is not.Same argument can be used against your opinion.
You or me have absolutely nothing to say about someone else's sexual preferences, it's not our business. -
Do you think BELIEVERS care what X or Y has as a sexual preference ?
Believers know that, sexual or intimate acts should be made privately. First. Be it homosexuals or heterosexuals. Which is not the case in the societies where LGBT movement is a trend.
Second of all, you cannot project God's Laws on a perverted nudity-driven society.
Third of all, believers are too busy to care what you do in your spare time.
and finally, true believers support the Truth from God;
If in my opinion the Truth from God says homosexuality is a lewdness then it is, and that is my opinion, even if today's trend is about supporting homosexuality = "open-minded".
Just don't try to paint those who oppose your opinions as "close-minded" or "homophobic", that is freaking ridiculous and hypocrite.
No one is judging no one, if you ask me " Is Homosexuality ok" ? I'll replie "No". And that alone hurts many lost souls.
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Do you think BELIEVERS care what X or Y has as a sexual preference ?
Believers know that, sexual or intimate acts should be made privately. First. Be it homosexuals or heterosexuals. Which is not the case in the societies where LGBT movement is a trend.
Second of all, you cannot project God's Laws on a perverted nudity-driven society.
Absolutely agreed, and when I say homosexual i don't mean gay parade!
Third of all, believers are too busy to care what you do in your spare time.
and finally, true believers support the Truth from God;
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If in my opinion the Truth from God says homosexuality is a lewdness then it is, and that is my opinion, even if today's trend is about supporting homosexuality = "open-minded".
Agreed we disagree peace
Just don't try to paint those who oppose your opinions as "close-minded" or "homophobic", that is freaking ridiculous and hypocrite.
I am really sorry if you thought such a thing, it was not my intention at all, and I apologize.
I was just saying that homosexuality is not an option, so I don't think the Merciful would create human beings pre condemned to suffering and making others suffer.
I insist I am not talking about gay parade and all that lately "being gay is cool" thing in modern societies. Licentciousness is wrong in all things, not only that.
No one is judging no one, if you ask me " Is Homosexuality ok" ? I'll replie "No". And that alone hurts many lost souls.
I am sorry but telling someone that he is a sin just being him/her self sounded to me like "judging".
That is why I said since it is not clear, let's just be cool and be understanding and try the best of ourselves and bless everybody who does good and believes no matter whom he /she loves and sleeps with because it is not our business peace
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I am sorry but telling someone that he is a sin just being him/her self sounded to me like "judging".
It doesn't concern us, but we still hold an opinion, whether we are supporting or not. And that also doesn't concern anyone, as long as we're not being discriminatory..."homophobic" people are discriminatory.
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It doesn't concern us, but we still hold an opinion, whether we are supporting or not. And that also doesn't concern anyone, as long as we're not being discriminatory..."homophobic" people are discriminatory.
God does not like discrimination nope
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Very tough week ahead of me, but I will God willing demonstrate to you what you overlook much of the Quran in regards to this topic
and those of you who fear people more than you fear Allah will have no excuse after that... jediRemain patient and keep reading Quran
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Very tough week ahead of me, but I will God willing demonstrate to you what you overlook much of the Quran in regards to this topic
and those of you who fear people more than you fear Allah will have no excuse after that... jediRemain patient and keep reading Quran
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